so whats the best 7.62x39 out there? I would just buy a bunch of wolf and be happy if it were for an AK but I hesitate to do so with the mini-30. I have read in other threads here that the mini-30 does not like steal cased ammo aswell as the mini-14 does. Is this true in your experience? I have run about 80 rounds of steel case with no problem so far. I want some good SHTF ammo and also some high grade hunting ammo. Brands I am considering are.
Golden Tiger: cheap
Fiocci: brass cased reloadable
S&B: brass cased reloadable
Cabela's v-max: looks interesting
What grain weight to get? 124 ok or the 150+ grain?
i run federal amer eagle. win white box, remington, & some quality reloads from vendors online for target/practice shooting. for serious shooting/hunting i go with Cor-Bon. i have never been disappointed with performance with any of this ammo. just a side note, i believe the s & b 7.62 x39 is steel case. they offer brass in all their other loads but i almost bought some before asking.
All I've shot for factory loaded is 123 & 124 gr. I have handloaded heavier gr. weight slugs with good results. One of the best was a 135 gr. SSP slug from Hornady (no longer available). Also used 150 gr. Speer . Believe it or not I tryed 147 gr. boat-tail FMJ meant for .308 and got good groups - well relatively speaking! I found that Graf's has a slug made for them by Hornady that is a V-Max style and 310 diameter that is supposed to shoot good, I'm going to order some.
I'd stick to 130gr or less. Clean that chamber real well before trying brass case ammo after shooting steel. Steel doesn't seal the chamber as well, and firing a brass round that does can result in a stuck case. The reverse is not true.
If you shoot steel, stick with it, and put two or three extractors and springs in your kit. I shoot both, just on different days. I also shoot it in an SKS. If you don't reload, steel is fine. You won't be picking up brass during SHTF anyway.
The price on that Lapua looks good. I hear thats very good brass. I had a couple boxes of wolf 154gr SP land in my lap. I will try them out. I will remember the tip about going from steel to brass cases. I have never bought ammo from auction arms before though.
In early June I bought some good stuff as I was tired of Wolfs poor qaulity. Federal in the grey box and Remington green box BOTH shot 1 1/4 inch groups with no flyers. I did have my barrel frozen, (Cryogenics") but I was impressed. If you get good stuff to hunt with, try these, use whatever for just plinking lots of ammo. I'll not shoot cheap stuff any more, only good factory quality stuff as it impressed me that much. ( I am fortunate enough also to be able to afford it, didn't use to be.)
Win. is a .310 diam. slug with flat base. it isn't made well, the jacket seperated on a doe I took to fill one of my doe tags. Wouldn't recommend for anything but coyotes and accuracy ain't too good either. the PMC beat it a little. I've got best accuracy with handloads using the FCD and custom (Sierra, Hornady etc.) slugs. still working on it w/Steve's input. tryed couple boxes of Rem, it beat the Win. some, it's more of a spire point, wonder if the shape has some bearing on accuracy and of course concentricity.
My mini-30 has never tasted brased cased ammo...maby not a good thing but it has never jammed/misfired and has proven nice and easy to clean and reasonably accurate. It has only ever shot steel case russian barnaul 125gr Softpoints and they seem to do just fine and are nice and cheap
don't blame you one bit nz, but I have been trying to squeeze the tightest group out of mine for use on feral hog/coyote hunting and anything else that pops up in the 'bush' so have been tuning my M-30 and handloads (with tips provided here), and this will help when SHTF.
i will be getting some mods done on mine soon so i might treat her to some nice brased cased ammo after that is done and see what she is capable of..
when i actually get around to taking it hunting for someting proper (deer/pigs) i will proberbly get some nice ammo for it (i did actually get it for a close range bush gun but iv only shot small critters with it so far), im sure the barnaul would do the job but i think i will use some nice ammo just for peace of mind..
i vote use whats cheap and goes bang everytime for plinking and use the good stuff when it matters ..
I shot some of the Winchester FMJ in the white box this weekend. I installed a buffer pad and new Wolf buffer spring before hand though. First two shots were touching at 50yds but the third opened the group up to about an inch. I think my mini was one that had close to a .308 bore cause it used to seem to shoot the Remington core lokts well but after shooting the Wolf ammo (.310-.311?) I can't seem to get anything to shot well. But I have taken the rifle apart about a dozen times so adjusting the pressure on the gas block bolts probably has more to do with it than the ammo. So one of my next steps will be to buy an inch torque wrench from www.midwayusa.com and adjust for accuracy then.
I have shot some relatively cheap brass-cased, PMC. wasn't very accurate. I reload so can make a round about as cheap as I can buy the steel-cased when using cheap bullets, one of which is the 147 gr. FMJ meant for .308 bullet . shoots OK, it's boattail.
I have had an interesting experience with the 30. I have owned one for over ten years and was shooting S&B Brass cased with it one day and it cracked the reciever! I don't know if it was the ammo or if the gun was just a little used (4000 rounds at least thru it). Amazingly, after sending the broke gun back to Ruger they replaced it with a brand new one, NO CHARGE! I was a little shocked (Yea Ruger!), but am now a little worried about the ammo I send through my new mini-30. I have heard foreign brands of ammo can have inconsistent loading and resulting poor accuracy, and one gunsmith told me it may have been what broke my first gun.
Also, the "Bi-metal" cased bullets are a concern. Can it wear down a bore quicker, and can it ruin the accuracy of a mini-30? How many rounds might do this? Has anyone any knowlege of if a bore can be worn down? I have shot mostly Wolf ammo in the past, which I used mostly in the older broken gun, and have had many misfires with those commie primers, which take a different stroke from the firing pin that AKs and SKSs seem to have. From other posts here it seems I might try Barnul or Silver Bear, but they also have the Bi-metal jackets I think. I do like to shoot cheap, and a long time ago I found a case of the best stuff ever, called Cheetah (cheap, brass cased and I think copper jacket), but I can't find that anywhere anymore.
I love the gun with all it's faults, also own a Mini-14 which I think I like more, but have had these questions for some time now.
Lapua FMJ can be bought from 'skeeterbob' on the 'auctionarms' site. I am not connected w/him in any way, but say that he is dependable to deal with and the Lapua ammo is some of the the best factory ammo I have shot in my M30. hot loaded stuff it is. my M30 likes it.groups near as good as any factory ammo I have shot. this is off a rest mind you. 100$$ for 300 rounds. save the brass it is the best.
marlin is correct. the Lapua is some great shooting ammo. like he says, it is loaded to go bang. skeeter has it cheap & seems to have a supply. you can check out the rest of their rounds @ Kaltron Outdoors.com
Copper over steel jackets shouldn't bother barrel steel. Its a lot softer. USGI .30 M2 and M-80 Ball ammo have been bimetal jacketed for decades. IIRC, Hatcher (of Hatcher's Notebook), did some experimentation using browning machine guns and there was no discernible difference in barrel wear after multiple thousands of rounds. Unfortunately, the Range Robots with the magnets don't care how soft the steel is.