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Old 06-24-2012, 19:46   #1
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Accuracy issue and strange find

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Several weeks ago took a modified 10/22 to the range for imprompto shooting. My kids had a time hitting anything accurately. Even I could not put rounds where they were supposed to go. I had some rounds that I thought were exhibiting delayed powder burn or case issues. I had one case that had the head seperate from the case. The rifle has the following mods to it, Power Custom hammer and sear, a Clerke target barrel and a Ruger woodland stock. Nice rifle and pretty darn accurate.

Well, today we tore down the rifle for a good thorough cleaning. Put the rod down the barrel and it stopped dead 3/4 of the way down. Barrel was not obstructed by sight, tried it several more times with the same result. I finally figured if the barrel was messed up banging on it would not hurt it any worse. As we tapped the cleaning rod through it finally broke free and could be inserted with no effort.

In the receiver housing, after we got the cleaning rod through, we found a strip of lead about 1.25" long that must have been what we had issues with. Apparently we pealed it from the barrel or chamber with the cleaning rod, not really sure where? Did not see anythig when peering down the barrel. Has anyone ever seen this before? Oh!! at the time we were shooting the Remington 22 thunderbolt ammo. Admittedly the rifle had not been cleaned in a few shooting sessions. I had not shot the thunderbolt ammo before, I usually shoot the federal 525 round ammo. Wondering if anyone else had seen this before?
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No haven't seen that before, pretty scarey any barrel obstruction. Lucky you didn't have a bulge.
Did you have the rifle from new ? who supplied the barrel, maybe it already had the lead in it when it was fitted.
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Bad case of leading, I have seen that before. I would get one of those lead away cloths and cut some patches and run them down the bore, you will probably get a lot more out. After the lead away patches come out clean go at it with a brush and some Hoppe's, dry and then a couple more lead away patches. You got to get it all out.
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Barrel was new, receiver was older. This is a heavy target barrel to boot so no bulging issues were suspected. I have a pictre of what came out of the barrel, will try and post it tonight.

I have never sen this before either and it was pretty unerving to see. When you looked down the barrel it did not seem to have anything amiss with it.
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Exactly why they say ALWAY check your barrel for obstructions before firing. Same thing as treat every gun as if it's loaded. Even if you're positive it's clear there could be something in there.
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Get some chore-boy brand copper or bronze scour pads, take and pull a few strands off and wrap around your bore brush but don't make it so tight you stick it. A few strokes and lead and fouling be gone.

I shoot a lot of hand cast stuff and if I manage to size bullets too small and lead the barrel this is the easiest and cheapest way to clear the lead us cast bullet guys have found.

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Originally Posted by Tazman1602 View Post
Get some chore-boy brand copper or bronze scour pads, take and pull a few strands off and wrap around your bore brush but don't make it so tight you stick it. A few strokes and lead and fouling be gone.

I shoot a lot of hand cast stuff and if I manage to size bullets too small and lead the barrel this is the easiest and cheapest way to clear the lead us cast bullet guys have found.

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It is the ammo, Remington is some of the crappiest ammo on the market,get some federal Bulk packs, Fed Auto-match, and CCI, also most of the better target loads will not give that problem.
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Do yourself a favor and clean it thoroughly after shooting and treat the bore with a good metal penetrating conditioner like "militec",or even synthetic motor oil.This way the lubricant gets into the pores of the barrel ,and will slow the ability of the barrel to lead up.It seems like the barrel might have been "dry"when you first started shooting or that you might have a rough(from machineing)spot in the bore!Just MHFO.
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I have seen something just like this in my 10/22 with a Clerke barrel. I was target practicing and all of the sudden the accuracy when away. I attempted to to run a bore snake thru it but the brass weight would not drop thru the barrel. I also had to tap a cleaning rod thru the barrel. I then ran a bore brush down it until lead particles stopped coming out.

I was using Blazer .22 bulk non plated lead. I switched to copper plated ammo after the problem. That was almost two years ago and the problem hasn't happened again.

It looks like the Clerke barrel is common to both rifles. I thought the non-plated ammo was the problem but maybe the Clerke barrels are a little tight.
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I have rubbed a bit of beeswax on my bullets before, it helps control leading. Most all the old .22 ammo was wax lubed years ago.
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Ruger 10/22 cleaning problem

I have a nearly new 10/22 that I cannot get a boresnake or cleaning rod down. When I couldn't get the weight from the boresnake to drop down the barrel I tried a cleaning rod from the muzzle (not my favorite way to clean a rifle) and the rod stopped about 3 inches away from the action. I suspect perhaps I am having a similar lead problem. Looking down the barrel there appears to be a flat spot. Maybe this is a lead buildup? I was also shooting Remington Thunderbolt ammo like someone else in this conversation. Thoughts?
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Sorry to say that I have experienced that sort of leading in a 10/22 recently myself. IMHO not dangerous, but your groups will be lousy. Clean the bejeepers out of it and it should be fine. I mostly use cci minimags in my 10/22 so not sure about the ammo connection.

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Originally Posted by NWwoodsman View Post
Exactly why they say ALWAY check your barrel for obstructions before firing. Same thing as treat every gun as if it's loaded. Even if you're positive it's clear there could be something in there.
I believe I read "Barrel was not obstructed by sight," so he wouldn't have seen it.
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Leading is hard to see just looking down the bore. It looks like a flat spot in the rifling.
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I have a target barrel on one of my 10/22's and at first it was inaccurate as all get out no matter what ammo I used. My cleaning regimen since I shoot a lot of lead bullets has always been to wet the bore and then pull the brass brush through it at least a dozen times no matter if I am using a bore snake or a rod.

Now 10 years later I get no leading and here is a target I shot last year on the 911 anniversary date at 50 yards. Can't say I fixed a problem but note I am using the dreaded Remington Gold Bullet and getting these results with it.



I don't use any special cleaner, I just wet the bore down with a wet rag using any bore cleaner or my gun cleaning oil mix. I just don't give lead a chance to build up. I think its more critical in match barrels than my other 22's, At least that has been my experience.

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I've seen the Remmy .22 ammo lead up barrels. also the Winny 'wildcat' and Fed 'lightning'.
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Paying attention?

Aren't you guys paying attention? Remington ammo is CRAP, I know it, you and I are hearing it, please don't waste your time and money on it. Shoot what works and junk the trouble ammo........make any sense?
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Originally Posted by jim46ok View Post
Aren't you guys paying attention? Remington ammo is CRAP, I know it, you and I are hearing it, please don't waste your time and money on it. Shoot what works and junk the trouble ammo........make any sense?
Apparently you are not paying attention. They improved the ammo the last year and when I bought the old stuff I bought the boxes of 100 instead of the bulk stuff. The target I posted was shot with that old ammo so what you think you know is what you used to know. Make any sense? Not every gun will shoot it and that is a gun problem not an ammo problem.
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Helps to cycle only copper plated ammo in these guns. I have one of the most picky .22 rifles about ammo. Its a Marlin 60. I only shoot CCI .22 AR long rifle tactical's. They run fairly clean, are copper coated long rifles and leave at around 1200 fps. My gun will shoot them sub moa(less than 1 inch at 100 yards).

The Marlin also has a microgroove barrel which may help prevent leading compared to a conventional lands and grooves barrel or so it is said anyway.
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I thought id chime in since I had something similar happen in a marvel .22 conversion kit for my 1911. I was shooting thunderbolts as well and noticed the accuracy drop off fast. Turns out ALLOT of lead was building up and almost started to have a flower growing out of the end of the barrel. I cleaned my barrel with some Copper type scrub brush material like steel wool. A good bit of lead had built up. I think the thunderbolts have a either a hotter burning powder or they use a softer lead. Since then I have never had the issue and I quit with the thunderbolts.
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An old gunsmith I knew a long time ago would plug the breach on a leaded up .22 and fill the barrel with mercury and let it sit overnight. the next day he would pour the mercury and lead out. It would leave the barrel completely lead free.
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Originally Posted by Jeff F View Post
An old gunsmith I knew a long time ago would plug the breach on a leaded up .22 and fill the barrel with mercury and let it sit overnight. the next day he would pour the mercury and lead out. It would leave the barrel completely lead free.
Works very well and was practical when it was common and cheap but with it being outlawed in nearly everything it used to be used in and regulated to death the price is now around $500 for 100 grams. That's only 3 1/2 ounces.

I'm afraid we are left with Choreboy pads, brass brushes and things like Lewis Lead Remover Solvent. At least you can get 4 oz of that for just $8.50. Now you know why I run my brush through the bore so many times, my time and effort I can afford more than that bottled stuff.
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apply a generous dousing of bore solvent (remove action/barrel from stock and secure in padded vise) then heat w/a hair dryer - this helps the solvent to penetrate and you may need repeated solvent/heat process if badly leaded use the chore boy copper pad trick also. any leading will come out in a short time.
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Originally Posted by Marlin 45 carbine View Post
apply a generous dousing of bore solvent (remove action/barrel from stock and secure in padded vise) then heat w/a hair dryer - this helps the solvent to penetrate and you may need repeated solvent/heat process if badly leaded use the chore boy copper pad trick also. any leading will come out in a short time.
It might but that is an awful lot of work when lead really isn't that hard to remove, especially if you keep up with it. Copper fouling is where the hard work comes in but that won't be a problem for us 22 shooters. Your rifle barrel is probably made out of something like 4140 steel and is HARD. Copper is a 3 on the Mohs scale, Diamond is 10, Steel is 8 on the same scale and lead is 1.5. Grab that old worn out copper brush, wrap a little copper choreboy around it and scrub away, lead doesn't stand a chance.
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as you will. I use the choreboy trick after a good soaking and heating.
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