"Well, for SHTF guns" and playing Rambo in our minds, it seems the ideal would be a gas operated full auto 12 ga. double barrelled, belt feed shotgun and a Humvee with an armored trailer to haul the ammo. That should cover it all and it would impress everyone wearing cammies at the local range too.
"Well, for SHTF guns" and playing Rambo in our minds, it seems the ideal would be a gas operated full auto 12 ga. double barrelled, belt feed shotgun and a Humvee with an armored trailer to haul the ammo. That should cover it all and it would impress everyone wearing cammies at the local range too.
"Well, for SHTF guns" and playing Rambo in our minds, it seems the ideal would be a gas operated full auto 12 ga. double barrelled, belt feed shotgun and a Humvee with an armored trailer to haul the ammo. That should cover it all and it would impress everyone wearing cammies at the local range too.
It might I don't know the range I go to is in the middle of the woods and only ones watching me is the squirrels. I don't live 40 mins from a city, more like 4 hours. I hope they aint anti-gun activist too. If you find something like that for sale to civilians let me know I want one.
Changed my SHTFG to a Remington R25 308 Win with a Smith Enterprises comp. Not too heavy, hits heavy and like my previous choice I can maintain a good distance from zombies and whatnot. Why the fasination with Zombies these days, oh yeah its another term for liberal democrats I forgot.
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Changed my SHTFG to a Remington R25 308 Win with a Smith Enterprises comp. Not too heavy, hits heavy and like my previous choice I can maintain a good distance from zombies and whatnot. Why the fasination with Zombies these days, oh yeah its another term for liberal democrats I forgot.
I have good things about the R25 and the SEI comp.
One of my SHTF guns, it can be suppressed as needed.
Have you ever carried that gun more than a quarter mile with that mag loaded? lol Looks WAY too heavy for my taste.
On a side note, I believe that whatever you end up with will be your SHTF gun. You could be miles away from home and have only your pistol or nothing. Your gun could break and you would have to pick one up off of someone else. But I'm talking more total appocolips/colapse of everything everywhere. In a katrina situation whatever you have is whats best. Cuz even an old bolt gun or a shot gun you used to hunt with is better than nothing.
rant aside. I have yet to decide if I would take my Mini or My AK. 223 probably much esier to find once things start to run low.
Have you ever carried that gun more than a quarter mile with that mag loaded? lol Looks WAY too heavy for my taste.
On a side note, I believe that whatever you end up with will be your SHTF gun. You could be miles away from home and have only your pistol or nothing. Your gun could break and you would have to pick one up off of someone else. But I'm talking more total appocolips/colapse of everything everywhere. In a katrina situation whatever you have is whats best. Cuz even an old bolt gun or a shot gun you used to hunt with is better than nothing.
rant aside. I have yet to decide if I would take my Mini or My AK. 223 probably much esier to find once things start to run low.
Out of the two I'd stick with the 223 for the availability. That's why I always have a 223 and a 308 in my safe. The AK is good and dependable but the ammo that's available for it isn't always. SHTF Gun BS is fun but your right about one thing you will be relying on a carry gun to get you back to those highly debated shtf ones if it ever happened. too bad someone in that Theater in CO didn't have something on them to take that little puke out.
I guess the media will start telling us on how he was bullied as a child or some sort of **** like that. There's a case where the SHFT and no one who could have carried did because the theater owners had a No Gun Zone. Worked out real well for them didn't it?
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Have you ever carried that gun more than a quarter mile with that mag loaded?
I'm not really interested in carrying a less durable, less reliable gun just because
it's a light weight. Besides, it's lighter than my carry bag when I walk 18 holes.
That said, I do have a 50 drum on the way for my 5.56x45mm SHTF rig.
The entire package will be several pounds lighter than my lightest M14.
Ah, light, easy shooting, and dang effective at any range you will need a SHTF personal defense weapon for. (You will not be shooting folks at 600 yards, since you really don't want to shoot your friends right? And how are you going to know if they are friends at that range?)
The best setup I've found is 9x19mm based. M9/Beretta pistol, and CX4 in 9mm that uses the M9/92 mags. You can run the same 15 or 17 round mags in either the pistol or the carbine, and the 32 round mags work in either one too. Carry both the carbine and pistol with short mags in them for easy, snag free portage, while you have 4 sticks of 32 rounds in a chest or back carry rig. (Or down in cargo pants pockets for that matter.)
That's 128 rounds in the stick mags, and 30 in the two mags you have in the pistol and carbine. If you can't get it done with 158 rounds of ammo, you are going to most likely not live to worry about if you should have had more with you.
And you can carry them both, and the ammo, and FOOD or SUPPLIES you might be out looking for in a SHTF type world. (And it does not look like you are going to battle either, the carbine is compact, nearly a bull pup design, while the pistol is just like any other full size autoloader, easy to carry on the belt in a holster.)
I love these guys who talk of having 250 rounds in mags for their M4orgery with 3lbs of taticool crap clamped to every inch of open rail space, and 3 spare mags for the Colt 1911 on their hip... Steel frame of course....
My other favorite is the PS90 and FN5.7. Both are light, accurate and the ammo/mags are also insanely light and easy to carry. (250 rounds in 50 round mags, and one back up mag for the pistol gives you 290 rounds, and is about as light as the 9mm stuff I just described.
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I'm kinda thinking about a punt gun. Think about it. If you are in an area with waterfowl, it's a food getter......and you can use it to defend your castle against hordes of zombies.
I'm kinda thinking about a punt gun. Think about it. If you are in an area with waterfowl, it's a food getter......and you can use it to defend your castle against hordes of zombies.
hi2dumb2kwit,
I would check the regulations for using a punt gun, all though they can be owned in a private collection. I do not beleve these can be used for hunting anymore. and if you load that Bad Boy with anti -personal ammuntion up to and including rubber bullets, bean bag rounds etc. You may find yourself in a bit of hot water, due to the fact this now becomes a destructive device for which you must have paperwork on, But now for the loop hole if it applies most puntguns pryor to 1898 are exempt due to the fact they are considered a antique. I would check with ATF on this matter if it is indeed something you would choose to get. No even though you may qualify federally to have this item , Your state laws may bar this item from ownership.....Doc
Screw the bean bags and rubber bullets, I'm loading mine with nuts, bolts sharp pieces of scrap iron, lug nuts, 16 penny and larger nails, drive screws. Whatever is sharp and I can find. When its time to bust out the heavy stuff the water is already boiling hot and repercussions are going to be your last worry.
hi2dumb2kwit,
I would check the regulations for using a punt gun, all though they can be owned in a private collection. I do not beleve these can be used for hunting anymore. and if you load that Bad Boy with anti -personal ammuntion up to and including rubber bullets, bean bag rounds etc. You may find yourself in a bit of hot water, due to the fact this now becomes a destructive device for which you must have paperwork on, But now for the loop hole if it applies most puntguns pryor to 1898 are exempt due to the fact they are considered a antique. I would check with ATF on this matter if it is indeed something you would choose to get. No even though you may qualify federally to have this item , Your state laws may bar this item from ownership.....Doc
I was just kidding about a punt gun....but then again, if the SHTF, would anyone really worry about the gun laws while your family starves? We would no longer be talking about a "sporting hunt".....we'd be talking about feeding hungry people.
(But for the record, as of now, I do things so legally that I'm just plain boring, in my old age.) LOL
If you do much hitting, there will be guns and ammo a plenty lying beside dead bodies, so ammo resupply is not that big a deal. I stick to 223 and .22lr, but not for reasons of replacement. I won't be shooting that much, and I've got enough of both calibers cached. Not a lot, but enough. I dont believe in just making noise or scaring anybody. Not, anyway, if it's shtf and rifle stuff If I aint got a good shot, why drop the hammer? In "normal times", with a pistol, loud, flashy misses have changed many a man's mind, if he's allowed an escape route.
After reading up on Katrina ever since it happened (in normally gun friendly Louisiana, although apparently New Orleans is the exception to that rule) and now Sandy, I have a few thoughts.
1. Heavy infantry combat is not a part of the scene, yet the presence of firearms seems to draw unwanted attention from the remaining power structure in a way that "mere" looting and rapine do not. Military pattern arms may well provoke an even more aggressive response from the remaining power structure though I have no firm data to corroborate this suspicion.
2. Many of the predators are using subterfuge ("I'm with the power company, really") to enter victims homes.
3. Shortages of essential supplies are probably going to kill about as many people as the criminal element will.
Assuming that observations 1-3 are reasonably correct, I would suggest the following SHTF configuration for 'temporary' SHTF situations.
1. 5 shot pump action shotgun with the shortest allowable bbl in the jurisdiction. Since this will be the weapon that is most visible it MUST be 100% legal. It also must be relatively cheap so that if it is confiscated it can be replaced at a later date. It is my understanding that even in NYC, a shotgun can be legally registered and owned though it is difficult. If I am wrong, please correct me.
2. For a sidearm to be kept on the person at all times (to deal with sneak attacks of the type outlined above), either a hunting knife (should be obtainable even in the strictest jurisdictions - I think) or if at all possible a good hideout gun in a service caliber. Personally I prefer the .38 snub revolver, loaded with the most aggressive JHP I can find. Even in gun friendly turf, openly carrying arms off your property seems an invitation to unwanted official attention. Snub revolvers hit hard enough to be useful, and don't litter the place up with brass. While it is probably impossible for an ordinary mortal to legally own one in NYC, it strikes me that for those of us in the rest of the country that a small but decisive arm would be the most useful in many ways.
3. If a center fire rifle is desired, a .30-30 lever action seems best, in that it is legal anywhere that regular guns are and does not present the "evil" military look that can crucify you in front of a jury. And the .30-30 with a 170gr JSP will have plenty of knockdown power for any 2 legged predator I can imagine at ranges that exceed the shotgun.
4. If $$ is tight while prepping, the money spent on a high end AR would better be spent on long life rations, generator, etc. Not to say that you should not get a mini, AR, AK, or whatever, but it seems to me that the most likely SHTF situation I may find myself in is one in which the battery above would be a practical tool set in many ways, so in addition to an AR, etc you should also have a decent "plain jane" battery of shotgun, hideout gun, and (optionally) .30-30 lever gun.
How reasonable does that seem?
All the best,
Grumpy
Grumpy old man, I can't find fault with anything that you said. On top of what you said, I'm an old country boy, so I am most comfortable with a revolver, lever action rifle and a pump shotgun. That's what I grew up with. And if anyone doesn't think that combo will take care of you in a bad situation, you should go check out some cowboy action shooting.
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They've killed humans with a 30-06 @1200+yds....back in the day!
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