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Old 06-25-2007, 15:50   #1
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Rangetime with the H&R Survivor 308

I got to shoot the Survivor a bit yesterday evening and at least got 19 rounds through it in between rolling thunderstorms. I really didn't get to shoot any groups with it but let me say this- the last 3 shots that I fired with the li' Beast were dead on where I called them on a silhouette.

1-Heart Shot
1-Head Shot
1-Pelvic Shot

The Survivor 308 is a tackdriver even when the sky is leaking on your back. There is absolutely no creep in the trigger. I'd say that the trigger was breaking at around 5 pounds to begin with and getting better towards the end of shots fired. I'm very pleased with the results and I can't wait to get out there in better weather to put her through her paces.

Bottom line- IMHO, The Survivor is a very accurate rifle at a bargain price.



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Old 06-26-2007, 01:34   #2
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those single shots are begining to get expensive though yours cost what 250 - 300 bucks? sure that seems economical and its most respects it is but just 7 to 8 years ago that same rifle was 150 bucks.
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Old 06-26-2007, 05:47   #3
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Originally Posted by HighDesertWolf View Post
those single shots are begining to get expensive though yours cost what 250 - 300 bucks? sure that seems economical and its most respects it is but just 7 to 8 years ago that same rifle was 150 bucks.
Yeah, mine was 250 Bux. Some of their rifles are still in the $150.00 range and some of the shotguns are even cheaper.

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That's great. Congrads.......And your right about the cost. But I have never bought a new one. I trade around or buy them used. My 30-06 cost me $176.00. Then I sent it off and had a 22in H-bar 223 bbl put on it for $100.00 So I got 2 rifles for the cost of one. The 20ga I got my son was $89.00 used.
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Hey Mac, Did you put the bipod stud on yourself? Does it go thru and have a nut on the other side or thread in the plastic? Have you noticed if the POI changes bipod vs. not? Are ya tired of all these questions yet? I have the .223 and love it but haven't tired the bipod yet.
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Originally Posted by Camera man View Post
That's great. Congrads.......And your right about the cost. But I have never bought a new one. I trade around or buy them used. My 30-06 cost me $176.00. Then I sent it off and had a 22in H-bar 223 bbl put on it for $100.00 So I got 2 rifles for the cost of one. The 20ga I got my son was $89.00 used.
Yeah, there's some good deals on used Handi Rifles out there. I saw a few of them. Don't know if I am going to get a Black Powder Barrel or 223 H-Bar for an extra on this thing.

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Originally Posted by p35bhp55 View Post
Hey Mac, Did you put the bipod stud on yourself? Does it go thru and have a nut on the other side or thread in the plastic? Have you noticed if the POI changes bipod vs. not? Are ya tired of all these questions yet? I have the .223 and love it but haven't tired the bipod yet.
The Stud goes through and I have a fender washer and lock nut on the inside of it.

I only shot off the Bipod but plan to use a sand bag on top of an ammo can and the bipod next time out. As stiff as that barrel is, I doubt there will be that much difference but, we'll see.

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Choate sells the bipod forearm but it might not match and it's prolly just as easy to mod the Survivor one. We have had a lot of issues with unbeded stocks and bipods tho. It's not a huge difference but is enough to be annoying. Since the gun requires tall rings I put a big honking scope on mine but after seeing yours that could change, looks sharp.
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Originally Posted by p35bhp55 View Post
Choate sells the bipod forearm but it might not match and it's prolly just as easy to mod the Survivor one. We have had a lot of issues with unbeded stocks and bipods tho. It's not a huge difference but is enough to be annoying. Since the gun requires tall rings I put a big honking scope on mine but after seeing yours that could change, looks sharp.
Unbedded, bedded .....who cares?

It all boils down to one question.

Is it a shooter or isn't it?

And this gun is.......at least mine is........3/4" - 3 shot groups @ 100 yds. with the 150 grain Remy Core-Lokt cheap stuff.

How many times are you going to walk out of a gun shop with a < MOA gun and two boxes of ammo for < $200?

Answer: NTFO ........Not Too Friggin Often !
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"Unbedded, bedded .....who cares?"

Uh, I do if the point of impact changes much at all. As far as the gun, I tell everyone who asks to buy one. Mine is hands down my "go to" rifle in .223 for putting bullets where they need to be. I just need to know where you got a N.I.B. Survivor for under 200 bucks, this may be a place to send folks to.
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these are cool little guns... Turners had one of the Tamers in .20ga on there for under 150... kicked myself in the ass for not picking it up..

id dig on owning one of the survivors as a basic survival weapon
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Originally Posted by cqbinkalifornia View Post
I have never shot one of these N.E./H&R rifles. Was toying with the idea of getting one in 223 as I have got tons of ammo.

What do you guys think about the loading/unloading procedure?

What rate of fire do you think you can put out reasonably?

Is it awkward breakin the sucker in half to re-load, and then re-acquire the target?

Would this be a decent rifle to add the the SHTF collection?

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LOL, just asking those questions means you already pretty much know the answers.
Rate of fire= Low, I have a butt cuff stretched over mine that holds nine, if I could get it empty in a minute and hit something, I would be happy.
Is it awkward= Not so much, move your head sideways hold the forearm like it was when you shot and trip the lever, move the bottom half down briskly and the shell goes over your shoulder. Pick a fresh round out of the cuff, slide it in and pull the bottom half up and back onto your shoulder pulling the hammer back after you have the rifle back in the firing position.
Is it a SHTF rifle= Maybe, but a TC that you can switch to rimfire might be a better choice. The SB2 H&R receiver doesn't do rimfires if I read correctly.
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I wonder how the H&R rates better, mine has no safety other than don't cock it. Maybe it has a transfer bar, I'll have to look.
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You may know something I don't, I thought Marlin owned H&R and now Remington owns Marlin. And N.E.F. and H&R were really the same.
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Pretty sure N.E.F. was just the identity for the mfg. after H&R went into Bankruptcy. The question that sticks in my mind is why Thompson Center isn't an approved C.A. gun if the H&R is.
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OK, but the Encore would be the H&R Survivor type and it's a rifle. The is a T.C. section at the lower end of the board. Owners would know much more.
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Originally Posted by cqbinkalifornia View Post
Hum? I thought one bought the other. I was looking at those rifles about 15 yrs ago. Maybe H&R bought NEF, then Marlin bought H&R, then Remington bought Marlin. Now not sure of anything. Maybe its like Bushnell:


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Sounds like the pike that swallowed the walleye that swallowed the perch that swallowed the minnow.

There's another company I can't remember the name of that bought both Marlin & Big Green in one big gobble.

The ridiculous 5 pound Kalifornia Kompliant action lock that came with my .308 Win. H&R/NEF Survivor had a Marlin name tag. I think I'll use it for a canoe anchor.
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Originally Posted by cqbinkalifornia View Post
My preference is a TC Contender in 223, but they arent on the Cali "safe list" to sell. You know, you cant drop them out of an airplane from 37,000ft, loaded, and have them discharge on impact.
Just FYI single shot handguns and handguns on the Federal C&R list are exempt from the requirement to be on the California safe handgun list. Ditto replicas of classic single actions like the Single Action Army.

The single shot exemption was enacted primarily for the TC Contender.

And yes, you do have to almost become a lawyer just to own a gun in this state!

The specific section of the law follows, complete law can be found here: 12125 thru 12133 Handgun Safety Testing - Dangerous Weapons Control Laws - Bureau of Firearms - California Dept. of Justice - Office of the Attorney General

12132. This chapter shall not apply to any of the following:

(g) The sale, loan, or transfer of any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person listed as a curio or relic, as defined in Section 178.11 of the Code of Federal Regulations.

12133.

(a) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a single-action revolver that has at least a 5-cartridge capacity with a barrel length of not less than three inches, and meets any of the following specifications:

(1) Was originally manufactured prior to 1900 and is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.

(2) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at least 7 1/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.

(3) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at least 7 1/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled and that is currently approved for importation into the United States pursuant to the provisions of paragraph (3) of subsection (d) of Section 925 of Title 18 of the United States Code.

(b) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a single-shot pistol with a barrel length of not less than six inches and that has an overall length of at least 10 1/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled
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Thumbs down Stay away from T/C

Originally Posted by p35bhp55 View Post
OK, but the Encore would be the H&R Survivor type and it's a rifle. The is a T.C. section at the lower end of the board. Owners would know much more.
I wouldn't pizz on a T/C firearm if it was on fire.

Their single shot guns are way overpriced & the service & support are lousy or nonexistent.

Had a T/C Icon Classic bolt action in .300 Win. Mag. & the cheap, crappy plastic magazine broke up & fell out & when I contacted T/C on a couple of occasions they didn't even have the decency or integrity to respond.

With a NEF/H&R Survivor you're getting a gun that is as well built as a T/C SS & more accurate for 1/3 the money.
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Originally Posted by cqbinkalifornia View Post
My preference is a TC Contender in 223, but they arent on the Cali "safe list" to sell. You know, you cant drop them out of an airplane from 37,000ft, loaded, and have them discharge on impact.
You should ask your local FFL about the single shot exemption. I believe that all single shot handguns are exempt from the most hated roster.
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