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Old 10-11-2016, 18:51   #1
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9 mm Carbine....?

Looking for a 9 mm semi auto rifle (carbine)....I have looked at just about all makes...anything I haven't seen?...I owned a Keltec 2000 , nice but didn't like the break-over system...Feel free to put something on this topic..
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Mech Tech upper for Glock, Springfield or 1911.
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Old 10-12-2016, 18:37   #3
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I purchased a Masterpiece Arms carbine in .45 acp. It's okay I haven't benched it for accuracy. No reliability issues after about 100 -150 rds. Based on the mac11 as you can see but the barrel and the bolt make it heavy, or is it the 30 round mags?
MasterPiece Arms, Inc., Defender, Rifle, Bolt Action, Suppressor

I have never shot one but Beretta makes one and there are also a number of AR fitments out there.
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A "carbine" is a long pistol or a short rifle.

In this case, we are talking about pistol ammo, so I would not call the Keltek 2000 a rifle by any stretch of the imagination since it is 9x19.

The wiki article erroneously calls it a rifle, but in that sense it seems to me the author does not know what a carbine really is, although he mentions carbine as well.

Rifles normally use rifle ammo. And some magnum ammo is available for both rifle and revolver use. But 9x19 is not magnum -- not even close.

"Carbine" is the best word to describe these "long pistols."

Regarding "what should you get," I would recommend a Ruger Mini 14 with a folding stock. That qualifies as a short rifle, due to the choices in ammo for it, either 5.56x45 or 7.62x39. Then you could call this carbine a rifle too if you wanted.

The Ruger Mini's have almost no recoil. The 5.56 has the lesser of the two. They are all excellent carbines and the 5.56 reaches out to 500 yards accurately enough to kill a person (moa 2 1/2) if you wish -- but that is when you would definitely want to open up the folding stock and even put a scope on it.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kel-Tec_SUB-2000

https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.h...&f=93&t=755949
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Mech Tech upper for Glock, Springfield or 1911.
Excellent idea as well !!

I wish they made these for the CZ's too.

Mech Tech Systems - The world's most versatile pistol carbine accessory
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Just to clear up any confusion created by the ill informed.....see above..
Carbine | Definition of Carbine by Merriam-Webster
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I would say really for a 9mm carbine the main question would be if you want to SBR it. If so the options are plentiful...with my favorite being the CZ Evo. But if you want it just to be rifle length I'd personally just go AR 9mm.
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You can buy a used Mech Tech upper for around $200 if you look.
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Old 10-14-2016, 19:34   #9
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Folks, I really thank all ya'll for your input....but the topic posted is about 9mm carbines....not 223 , not 45 , no 308s etc....I have all the above....I am looking for a 9mm carbine! Just a 9mm carbine!...thanks...
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Dont laugh but I love my Hi-Point 995TS. Its ugly. Its a pain to break down. High cap mags are kind of a impractical since its a single stack mag...

All that said. There is something that feels right when I shoot it.


And folks please stay on topic
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Originally Posted by snakeoil View Post
Folks, I really thank all ya'll for your input....but the topic posted is about 9mm carbines....not 223 , not 45 , no 308s etc....I have all the above....I am looking for a 9mm carbine! Just a 9mm carbine!...thanks...
In addition to what's been listed, if y'all can find one, a Ruger PC9 may fit the bill. Buddy of mine had one years ago and it was a nice shooter. Also could take a gander at the Taurus carbine (now discontinued). Other than that, there's the Uzi carbine, Sterling carbine, HK pattern, all in 9x19. Prices get pretty steep, particularly on the HK (cloned by a company called Omega, I believe).

Have only fired the Ruger, Uzi, and Thompson (in .45) but the Sterling always looked classy. If you don't mind bolt action there was also a thing called a "Destroyer Carbine" based on a Mauser action IIRC. Most of those were 9x23, but there was a 9x19 model made. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyer_carbine If you do a google search I actually found one for sale on armslist, in no way am I recommending the seller or the gun. Its one I always admired from afar but never got a chance to fire.

The '70's and '80's were really the golden age of imported 9x19 carbines, most based on subguns. Pity those days are gone.

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Originally Posted by snakeoil View Post
Folks, I really thank all ya'll for your input....but the topic posted is about 9mm carbines....not 223 , not 45 , no 308s etc....I have all the above....I am looking for a 9mm carbine! Just a 9mm carbine!...thanks...
Dear Mr. Snake oil:
I posted a link for you to Masterpiece Arms. Duh! they off several configurations of 9mm. Anyway good luck in your search.
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Dear Mr. Snake oil:
I posted a link for you to Masterpiece Arms. Duh! they off several configurations of 9mm. Anyway good luck in your search.
Hey, chill1955 thanks for posting the link. I was looking at one of these: MPA9300DMG 9mm Carbine - All Aluminum Lower - MasterPiece Arms, Inc.

Have y'all seen one of these 'uns up close? Looks mighty interesting for when my wallet recovers a little.

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Also-the rare to find ;marlin camp carbine in either 9mm,or 45acp.And I believe that berretta has one in 9mm that is about double the cost of everyone elses carbines!Ruger even made a pc40!
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Originally Posted by grumpy_old_man View Post
Hey, chill1955 thanks for posting the link. I was looking at one of these: MPA9300DMG 9mm Carbine - All Aluminum Lower - MasterPiece Arms, Inc.

Have y'all seen one of these 'uns up close? Looks mighty interesting for when my wallet recovers a little.

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Boy that is a sweet looking little carbine and it's in 9mm. All aluminum hmmm. The design is inexpensive, so a stamped piece of sheet metal in steel vs, a machined aluminum lower. I'll wager the machined aluminum lower would be awesome. With my .45 having like a 3-4lb. bolt slamming against the sheet metal frame with a thin piece of neoprene for shock would not last more than a few thousand rounds before I see some cracking. Just a hunch, it just doesn't scream longevity to me. You would be very happy with that little nugget not having the mass slamming back and not stressed sheet metal bends. Keep me in the loop, sure is pretty.
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Dont laugh but I love my Hi-Point 995TS. Its ugly. Its a pain to break down. High cap mags are kind of a impractical since its a single stack mag...

All that said. There is something that feels right when I shoot it.


And folks please stay on topic
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Build a 9mm AR.
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Had a HiPoint. Went bang consistently. Agree it is a mess to maintain. It is as inexpensive as you're likely to find. No real magazine options.

Currently have a Beretta CX4 Storm. Very good carbine (my definition, I'm not all that picky). Multiple magazine options; mine is Beretta 90 series. Lots of plastic, including some operating parts, which worried me at first. Wasted worry; it is wearing well. They're hard to find and not cheap.
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I built my 9mm carbine using a Hi-Point as a base. If I could figure out how I would post a picture of it.
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I built my 9mm carbide using a Hi-Point as a starting point. I would post pictures if I could figure it out.
I give up.
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9mm Carbine

I have both a MechTech for a Glock 17 and an AR pistol built on a PSA Glock lower. Both are great but the MechTech is my favorite by far. I would recommend the telescopic wire stock and get the barrel threaded.
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Well, I looked at a Chiapa m1 carbine (m9) at a pawn shop last night. Caught my eye due to an unhealthy infatuation I have with the m1 carbine. Beautiful, but I have no personal knowledge of functionality.
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I have the Ruger PC 9, Marlin Camp Carbine 45 I put in a Chote folding stock, Kel Tech 2000 w/Glock 17 lower carried in a slim brief case, Beretta 92 lower Storm CX4 9mm, and my favorite pcc Marlin 1894 16" 357/38 which is my 'funnest' long arm to shoot.

For competition I use the Beretta, for car carry the KelTech with 4 32 rd magazines, and for play, the 357/38.

I have always enjoyed pistol caliber carbine/SMG's.

Go figure.

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Originally Posted by whofarted View Post
Dont laugh but I love my Hi-Point 995TS. Its ugly. Its a pain to break down. High cap mags are kind of a impractical since its a single stack mag...

All that said. There is something that feels right when I shoot it.


And folks please stay on topic
Hi Point carbines are nothing to laugh about. Anyone who owns one (including me) will tell you that they flat out work! They are rugged and accurate. Mine eats any ammo and will not jam. Best value for a PCC out there.

My Kel Tec Sub 2K 9mm is a nice little carbine too. Not sure why the folding feature is a problem ( I think it's great that you can carry it in a brief case or back pack) but I have a solution...don't fold it!
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HugoStiglitz, have you ever shot hollowpoints out of the hipoint?
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