If you use the 90 gr Vld bullet and all the tricks that the 308 guys use to make it seem like the 308 is a "1000 yd capable" load. It's not, really, you need the 300 mag or something like that, but the 223 can match the 308, by using a 26" barrel and starting the 90 gr bullet at 2800 fps. This bullet has such a very high ballistic coefficient that it still has 1200 fps left at 1000 yds. Google for Berger Bullets and check it out.
I will bet on the 308 every day and on Sunday at 1000 yds, and your 223 would be all over the tgt and not even capable of killing a deer since there is little enery left at that range. How do I know? I have shot both rounds at close and long ranges. .308 is by far a better long range round.
I will take you up on your 400 yd challenge any time with my 1885 hi wall 45-70 with tang sights, we shoot tgts out to 800 yds, I have shot the same hole at 250 meters with. 400 yds is nothing with the right rifle. 45 -70 as been tested out to over 3000 yds
if you thnk that the 223 blows all over, wait until you try 45-70 in a wind. it drifts like a balloon. the 223 Ar wins the 600 yd matches, and all the other yardages too in NRA, competition. About 12 years ago, a WOMAN Marine beat EVERYONE at the Nationals, using her M16, in 223. You wannabes can cry about it and lie about it all you want, the facts are there for anyone to check.
405 gr 45-70 bullet fired from a black powder rifle will impact the target at 1500 yards as well as a 168 gr .308 bullet from a M14 using smokeless powder and still be a killing shot. Using a match 72 gr bullet the M16 can hit a target at 1000 yards but it has pretty much lost its steam after 600 yards. Poking holes in paper does not make it a long distance killing machine.
In a 10mph wind at 1000 yards the 5.56 will have drifted nearly 15", the .308 9" and the 45-70 I don't know but it has held 20" groups at 1000 yards and still has killing power at 3500 yards.
Buffalo hunters killed buffalo at 500 yards with the 45-70 but I don't think it could happen with the 5.56. Gophers sure but anything big enough to hurt you back, I doubt it very much.
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