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Old 02-08-2012, 02:21   #26
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I thought GK only used .22s and blowguns.
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:17   #27
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I do miss him so. He had multiple threads claiming how 223/5.56 was proven in battle to be effective to 1000 yards on a regular basis... Only about 300 yards past the longest 5.56 NATO kill shot ever recorded in US military history.
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Old 03-11-2012, 08:11   #28
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Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
Here is your answer to the shooting 1,000 yards argument

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I was once a sheep that talked like that... lol... That was SO funny... watched it 2X... I shoot on average 150-200 yards. because for me, my toys are just plain fun to play withat that range(less walking).. At 200 yards a Whistle Piggie is small as hell through 12 power I can hit that all day an thats pretty damb good 8/10 kills last outing at 200. Bouncing from prone to rest to one knee off hand on a 165 degree vantage point...As for enemys? A man size target I feel is not as hard... But Piggies dont shoot back... I hope to NEVER find out on our soil..
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Originally Posted by tap View Post
If you use the 90 gr Vld bullet and all the tricks that the 308 guys use to make it seem like the 308 is a "1000 yd capable" load. It's not, really, you need the 300 mag or something like that, but the 223 can match the 308, by using a 26" barrel and starting the 90 gr bullet at 2800 fps. This bullet has such a very high ballistic coefficient that it still has 1200 fps left at 1000 yds. Google for Berger Bullets and check it out.
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Old 03-11-2012, 13:57   #30
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Originally Posted by larryp View Post
Why do people keep resurrecting gunkid's threads?
my thoughts exactly. get off youre fat asses and try it
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Old 03-11-2012, 13:59   #31
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im starting to wonder if these guys or perhaps kids are getting this **** from video games because i hear some same s**t outa my nephews when they come shooting
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Originally Posted by Motorhead View Post
Just for giggles will add some fun facts that I have done where I live.
We have quite a few long narrow lakes in the foothill that have ridge top access looking into the canyons where the water is.

Over the years fired 100's if not 1000's of shots down at the water in an attempt to hit floating debris like driftwood & Bark pieces.
Most times at MINIMUM we are 200 yards and some well into 1000 yard + distances.
* Whats so damn cool about this is "If" you hit the water at all you can see and spot your shots !!

Make no mistake about it over 500 yards and beyond your not half as good a shot as you think you are !!

Most of my really long shot stuff was shooting a Ruger 77V in 6mm Remington with hand loads. This is one bad ass round that rivals any hot .22 for reach out and touch something at range use.

Fun stuff and really really difficult to reach that far with any degree of consistency unless you CAN SEE what your shooting at and a way to spot your shots and adjust accordingly.
Thank you for polluting our waters much apreciated
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Originally Posted by tap View Post
need 1 in 6.5" rifling twist. The AR OWNS the 600 yd line and has done so for over 12 years now, ever since Berger came out with his 80 gr vld 223 bullet. No, even the 80 gr bullets dont feed from the mag, but nobody who WINS anything with 308 autos feeds the ammo from the mag, either, you know. :-) The trip up the feed ramp is too likely to slightly damage the bullet, or its alignment in the cartridge case. All 1000 yd shooting is just bs, so why have a 308 specialized for such, either, hmm? The 223 Ar's have been kicking 308 butt for 30+ years, now, at any practical range/match.
so only single shots do ? omg ok.....
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Originally Posted by tap View Post
need 1 in 6.5" rifling twist. The AR OWNS the 600 yd line and has done so for over 12 years now, ever since Berger came out with his 80 gr vld 223 bullet. No, even the 80 gr bullets dont feed from the mag, but nobody who WINS anything with 308 autos feeds the ammo from the mag, either, you know. :-) The trip up the feed ramp is too likely to slightly damage the bullet, or its alignment in the cartridge case. All 1000 yd shooting is just bs, so why have a 308 specialized for such, either, hmm? The 223 Ar's have been kicking 308 butt for 30+ years, now, at any practical range/match.
thats because there are more guys that can handle the .223 especially boat loads shots so there are more guys using it. take someone who was raised on bigbores and a .308 is like a light round to them and they dont flinch or cry about recoil etc the just breath, steady, squeeze and release and only think about downrange not back at the rifle. u wanna shoot stuff 120 lbs and under with one shot use .223/5.556 over 120 lbs use 4-5 rounds of it if you wanna kill with 1 shot and not worry to much about shot placement and want it to go a good distance use a .30 caliber. It surprises me how much people say without doing. shoot at some 170 to 230 lb pigs and you'll get an idea what it will do to a human because thats what you're all fantasying about. me im going into the mountains and stayin the f**k away from everyone
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Originally Posted by Ruger View Post
my thoughts exactly. get off youre fat asses and try it

because we know that "Gun kid" aka "Tap" aka John Melvin Davis is a delusional individual, so actually trying anything he suggests is pretty much a waste of time and ammo, or worse... dangerous.


he's long gone (sadly -he was fun to screw with while he was here) so resurrecting his inane threads is pretty useless at this point.

I think he may be back in prison, dropping the soap (intentionally)
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Originally Posted by Mr. Snuffalupagus View Post
because we know that "Gun kid" aka "Tap" aka John Melvin Davis is a delusional individual, so actually trying anything he suggests is pretty much a waste of time and ammo, or worse... dangerous.


he's long gone (sadly -he was fun to screw with while he was here) so resurrecting his inane threads is pretty useless at this point.

I think he may be back in prison, dropping the soap (intentionally)
i dont know who the hell that is and dont care but I assumed he meant a bunch questions and statments comming up that sounds like kiddish crap so thats what my statement was made for
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Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
Here is your answer to the shooting 1,000 yards argument

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that was great thank you.... These are cartoons they need on tv for kids so they dont grow up and act like half the adults on these forums or in the gun shops or at youre range everytime you pick a new spot they follow you. that was so deja vu lol thanks again
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Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
Thank you, I lol'ed the first time I watched it.

The "I "have" to shoot 1,000 yards" mentality is just plain stupid, especially when your talking about the 223/5.56mm.

Most people could not shoot 1,000 yards if they had to - and I am probably one of them. How can someone even see a target at 1,000 yards, much less hit it.

I am perfectly happy shooting in the 100 - 125 yard range, because that is where 99% of my shots are at.

This deer was taken at around 80 yards from a kneeling position. I rounded the top of a hill, the deer had its head down eating, I knelt and fired a round hitting the deer in the neck.

That is a weatherby vanguard in 270. I think the round was a remington core-lokt 140 grain.



Unless you live in a desert, or mountain region, good luck with the 1,000 yards shots.

As for taking shots at game animals with a 223 at 1,000 yards - that is laughable.

First, always use the right tool for the job. And the 223 is not the right tool for long range hunting - unless your shooting ground hogs, or other small animals.

If you want to retrieve the animal, and utilize the meat, the 223 is not the right tool for the job.
i couldnt agree more those .223 guys are gonna be eating alot of squirl in my neck of the woods for there so called SHTF scenario unless the get to dump there 30 round mags into them
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using that round in any long range situation is stupid, most engagements with enemies usually are 100-300 yards after that they call in the sniper or chopper etc, plus hunting at the range , why shoot an animal that far when you can get closer and shoot it at 100 yards as previously posted, unless you are just doing it to see if you can do it there is no point, have fun on a windy day too.
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Originally Posted by sog33 View Post
using that round in any long range situation is stupid, most engagements with enemies usually are 100-300 yards after that they call in the sniper or chopper etc, plus hunting at the range , why shoot an animal that far when you can get closer and shoot it at 100 yards as previously posted, unless you are just doing it to see if you can do it there is no point, have fun on a windy day too.
please, let Gunkid's threads die. We all know that a, long range shooting is not as easy as it sounds (i have shot accurately out to 950 yds. I know.), and that the 5.56 is simply NOT a viable option for applications for over 600 yards, if even that. I don't care what setup you have.

that said, it *would* be fun to screw with him
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I'd drop you like a rock, punk, and you know it. 1000 yd matches ARE being shot with 223, Ar's, you fools, and BEATING a lot of M1A shooters, too. the AR in 223 as OWNED the 600 yd line at the matches now, for 14 years or so. You REALLY think that you can WIN at 600 yds and if you really "think" that the rd/rifle are worthess in another 50 (or 200) yds, you are admitting how ignorant you are.
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Originally Posted by tap View Post
All 1000 yd shooting is just bs, so why have a 308 specialized for such, either, hmm? The 223 Ar's have been kicking 308 butt for 30+ years, now, at any practical range/match.
My 1,000 yard gun in .308, shot in 1000 yard matches in Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, California, Kansas and Maryland. Deer hunting in New Mexico and Wisconsin. Specialized?


Military class, iron sights only. Only hit the wrong target once and that was at 200 yards rapid fire, I came down on the ground wrong and did not notice it.
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Originally Posted by whoa View Post
I'd drop a Cake of soap in the prison shower while my buddies take turns reaming my butthole, I'm a punk, and you know it. 1000 yd matches ARE Not being shot with 223, Ar's, you fools, and NOT BEATING a lot of M1A shooters, too. the AR in 223 as NOT OWNED the 600 yd line at the matches now, for 14 years or so. You REALLY think that you can WIN at 600 yds and if you really "think" that the rd/rifle are worthess in another 50 (or 200) yds, you are admitting how ignorant you are.

Here - I fixed it for you, Convict.

you sad delusional old man, Suicide is always an option.
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That's sweet. I so regret selling mine.

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My 1,000 yard gun in .308, shot in 1000 yard matches in Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, California, Kansas and Maryland. Deer hunting in New Mexico and Wisconsin. Specialized?


Military class, iron sights only. Only hit the wrong target once and that was at 200 yards rapid fire, I came down on the ground wrong and did not notice it.
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Originally Posted by SublimeBoa View Post
That's sweet. I so regret selling mine.
The other one is original issue 7.62x63 and 2 months older but shoots nearly as well as this one in spite of showing every day of its 71 years. When I am shooting I can't tell the difference between them. Those and my old 45 will be with me till I turn room temperature.
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Plllllease someone put a round through this thread !!!!! .308/5.56
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Originally Posted by 556x45lee View Post
Plllllease someone put a round through this thread !!!!! .308/5.56
Better yet ban 5.56 NATO and go back to real calibers. If I gotta go small give me a 6MM or a 22-250, now those are real shooting calibers.

Just kidding, sort of, well I mean it a little bit but mostly I am kidding.
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I was never sold on the 308.

As long as I can take twice as much 223 in the field as the other guy can take of 308.
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Originally Posted by Magog View Post
I was never sold on the 308.

As long as I can take twice as much 223 in the field as the other guy can take of 308.
Yea, but with the right shooter it only takes one 7.62 NATO round at any range out to 800 Meters to pop your head like a ripe melon.
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Originally Posted by Jeff F View Post
Yea, but with the right shooter it only takes one 7.62 NATO round at any range out to 800 Meters to pop your head like a ripe melon.

And you can do it on a windy day that would blow the little .223 bullet half way to Kansas. The match guns used at Perry are nothing like the guns used in the field. My gun on the other hand is the same except for the .308 chamber. I'd like to see a field grade M16 do what I have done with that old M1. Used standard issue ball ammo until we got to the 600 yard range then switched to match ammo. I can shoot the M16 just fine and easily ace the pop up course with it but give me the old heavy Garand not the AR. I hate having to shoot something twice.
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