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Old 12-26-2007, 18:51   #1
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HODGDON H380 Powder question.

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Many years ago I loaded .223 ammunition for my MINI-14 with the HODGDON H380 ball powder. I remember it worked very well in the cartridge/rifle combination. I just bought a canister of H380 in hopes of loading up some .223 again.

For the life of me I simply CANNOT find ANY loading data for the .223 Remington using H380.

I want to use a 55 grain FMJBT bullet, which is what I used for the load years ago. I remember that the LEE dies I was using at that time HAD load data using the H380. My 'new' LEE dies however do not have this data.

Is'nt H380 used with .223 anymore? I hope I did not waste my money on this powder I can no longer use.

Help!

Thanks guys.
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I cannot find any info for use of that powder and .223, even on Hogdon's site. Sorry boss, looks like you are going to have to start fresh and develop the load yourself. I will ask a few buddies, but I am not sure any of them have .223......will let you know
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Originally Posted by Der Verge View Post
I cannot find any info for use of that powder and .223, even on Hogdon's site. Sorry boss, looks like you are going to have to start fresh and develop the load yourself. I will ask a few buddies, but I am not sure any of them have .223......will let you know
I know it, I can't find any information for .223 using the H380 either. I have looked in manuals, on the Internet, and in my LEE pamphlet in my set of .223 dies. The dies I USED to have had the data. I don't understand why there is NO data published currently? I figure if the load worked 20 years ago, why won't it work now?How would I go about developing the load myself? That sounds kind of dangerous to me. I have no idea how much powder to use to even start out with.Thanks for your reply, I hope your buddies have some info available.
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H-380 has a burn rate similar to 760. It is pretty slow for the 223, but it will work. You may not get the velocities you expect with a powder this slow burning.
Here is some data.

http://stevespages.com/224_8.html
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One of my buddies at work has some old manuals. He said he will look through them for you.
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http://www.reloadersnest.com/detail....80&LoadID=1749

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From Hornady #7

50 Hornady V-Max , SPSX or SP, Hodgdon H-380 25.3gr 2,900fps Start

50 Hornady V-Max, SPSX or SP, Hodgdon H-380 29.0gr 3,300fps Max.
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H380, for 55 gr bullets.........

H-380 From 26.5 grains to 28.5 grains
Remington 7-1/2 Primer

Find it here....
http://stevespages.com/224_8_55.html
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Thanks Guys, I really appreciate the help with this!

Now, can anyone tell me a more appropriate BALL powder to use with the .223?
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Originally Posted by NWO View Post
Thanks Guys, I really appreciate the help with this!

Now, can anyone tell me a more appropriate BALL powder to use with the .223?

H335 and hodgdon BL(C-2) Im sure theres others but I only use Hodgdon and alliant powders. You also may look at H4895 its a stick powder but seems to leave less carbon behind which is a plus IMO to keep gas systems clean.
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Originally Posted by HighDesertWolf View Post
H335 and hodgdon BL(C-2) Im sure theres others but I only use Hodgdon and alliant powders. You also may look at H4895 its a stick powder but seems to leave less carbon behind which is a plus IMO to keep gas systems clean.
I have been using both H4895, and IMR 4895 (both very similar powders, if not the same powder altogether, and both made by the same company of course..) and have been happy with them for the most part. I just thought it would be interesting to try a different powder for a change. I may also try the H335 or BL powders as well. I thought it would be interesting to see how other powders perform in the .223.Thanks again guys!
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Originally Posted by NWO View Post
I have been using both H4895, and IMR 4895 (both very similar powders, if not the same powder altogether, and both made by the same company of course..) !
Hodgdon does not manufacture any powder. They purchase it from other sources, package it and sell it. Now that they own IMR I am told that one of the 4895's will go.

If you are looking for something new to try in your 223, give Ramshot XT and TAC a try.

From Ramshots site.

X-Terminator is a double-based, spherical powder that is designed for the high volume, .223 varmint hunter who demands a clean burning powder. X-Terminator will not bridge going into the small diameter necks of the .22 centerfire calibers and produces excellent velocities

Ramshot TAC is a versatile rifle powder that performs well in a number of different calibers. TAC has the ability to provide some of the industry's highest velocities for 80 grain bullets in the .223 caliber while maintaining SAAMI pressure guidelines. TAC is a double-based powder providing for ease of metering and consistent charge weights.
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Old 12-28-2007, 07:51   #12
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Im all for trying ramshot the much lower prices compared to other brands is very appealing, but no one in my area carries it If I was to order it once hazmat and shipping is added the appealing price becomes higher then what I get my hodgdon and alliant powders for locally.
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I have had good success with Accurate Arms 2230.

Accurate Arms is now owned by Western Powder Company.
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Most of my 223 buddies use H335 with 50-55gr BT's. Others of us use 36-37gr of H-380 with 55BT's in .22-250.

As I understand it you're trying to utilize the H-380 you have for your 223?
I found an 1996 "H" manual. It shows H-380@28gr for 60-64 bullet in a 26" barrel in .223 while for the same bullet H-335 uses 25 gr.

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Get your hands on a hodgdon powder data manual#25 copyright-1987,it has lots of data for h380 in 223s.
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NWO,

You are in luck! Being the info geek/nerd that I am, I keep all sorts of useless info & books on hand. I found one load in the 3rd edition of the Metallic Cartridge Reloading manual. " 55grain .223 bullet: H380 26.5 grains =2821fps for mininum load & 28.5grains=3082fps for max load". Hope that helps, good luck.
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H335 works great for me in my mini 14, 24.5 gr with a 55 gr bullets, mine really likes the Nosler ballastic tips. This powder meters very well too.
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H380 data from Hodgen Manual #24, printed 1983.

Sperical H380. This number fills a gap between 4320 & 4350. It is excellent in .22/250, 220 Swift, the 6mm's, .257 & .30/06

40gr Start 27.0 = 3001fps @ 323,300cpu Max 29.0 = 3120 @ 34,200
45gr Start 27.0 = 3054 @ 27,600 Max 29.0 = 3121 @ 34,800
50gr Start 27.0 = 3031 @ 28,800 Max 29.0 = 3111 @ 35,400
52-53gr Start 26.5 = 2853 @ 29,400 Max 28.5 = 3133 @ 37,200
55gr Start 26.5 = 2821 @ 29,400 Max 28.5 = 3082 @ 37,800
60-63gr Start 26.0 = 2710 @ 30,000 Max 28.0 = 2983 @ 38,400
70gr Start 26.0 = 2614 @ 33,300 Max 27.0 = 2742 @ 41,800

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You can't go wrong with 748 or BL(C-2).
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I have a really old Hornady Handbook...223 55gr H380 2700fps 26.9gr. 2800 fps 27.7 2900 fps 28.5 Hope this will help...
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Accurate 2230 is a good powder also. H 335 is the same as BL ( C2 ) is what it was in military.

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