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Old 10-03-2011, 00:09   #1
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Sin manifested as pollution in biblical prophecy?

I'm convinced of it.

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Revelation 8:6 And the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound them.

7 The first sounded, and there came hail and fire, mixed with blood, and they were thrown to the earth; and a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

8 The second angel sounded, and something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea; and a third of the sea became blood, 9 and a third of the creatures which were in the sea [f]and had life, died; and a third of the ships were destroyed.

10 The third angel sounded, and a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of waters. 11 The name of the star is called Wormwood; and a third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the waters, because they were made bitter.

12 The fourth angel sounded, and a third of the sun and a third of the moon and a third of the stars were struck, so that a third of them would be darkened and the day would not shine for a third of it, and the night in the same way.

13 Then I looked, and I heard [g]an eagle flying in midheaven, saying with a loud voice, “Woe, woe, woe to those who dwell on the earth, because of the remaining blasts of the trumpet of the three angels who are about to sound!”

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11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying,

“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His [j]Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” 16 And the twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying,

“We give You thanks, O Lord God, the Almighty, who are and who were, because You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign. 18 And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to [k]reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the [l]saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”

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Scripture is full of examples of those who do everything against God's will, yet He still fulfills His ultimate purpose.
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Boss;

Prior to the trumpets, come the seven seals, the first four of which are the Horsemen. It is from there the difficulties come. For these four horsemen are the innate characteristics of humanity, of unregenerated man. And they are universally bad. Had God given us no way to find salvation, we would of all living creatures in the cosmos, been the most sorry ever to walk and breathe.

The first horseman, the rider of the white horse, is 'going forth conquering and to conquer', which is and ever has always been the way of mankind, from Cain's conquering (and killing) of Abel, to this very day. Has there ever been a time, when somewhere, someone hasn't been busy conquering someone else?

The second horseman, the rider of the red horse, is given a sword, and he goes forth taking peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another. Has there ever been a time, where there was no war on this planet? After all, what is the natural result of conquering? If you would meekly allow youself to be conquered, all would be well. It is the resistance to being conquered that produces war.

The third horse, the black one, is ridden by the horseman who holds a balance in his hand. And it isn't the scales of justice he holds, but the scale of commerce, industry, finance, all those things that are today, the topic of the majority of conversations, articles, and arguments worldwide.

It should be noted that these things in Revelation aren't local situations, but are global in reach and effect. Now that we have a global economy, with none apparently able to escape its troubles or triumphs (if ever there are triumphs again), we are entered upon the journey of the third horse. Instructive to, that we are to "watch the OIL and wine".

And finally, the pale horse, with the two riders death and hell. This speaks to man's greatest acheivement, his greatest talent, his most avid interest, even his unending thirst...for death.

Man is above all else, a killer. We kill for gain, for loss, for the thrill, for the profit, for possessions, lands, people, love, hate...we kill, we kill, and we kill some more. We clebrate murder in the modern media ad infinitum. We wholesale death in the womb, and glorify war with its inevitable tally of death. We are killers, plain, simple, straightforward and without peer.

In that killing, the fifth seal, where the souls of those who've been killed for their testimony and the name of the Lord, cry from beneath the altar in heaven, asking for revenge upon those who killed them. After all, if we be consummate killers, it is inescapable that we should kill the wrong folks on occasion. And this time, we killed the wrong folks.

And God answers the prayer...with the passage you so kindly quoted above. All of the consequences found in the riding forth of the horsemen, are what it is mankind does to man.

From the sixth seal onward, including the trumpets as you noted, it turns now into what it is God will do to the mankind who spent all his being upon conquering, war, commerce and killing. Who were we, to think we could get away with it? The arrogance is breathtaking in its breadth, width and length.

Each and everyone of the events noted again, in the passage you quoted, can, and might well be, attributed to not only possible but plausible celestial events. Hail and fire from heaven, an astronomical event, perhaps the detritus of a passing and breaking up comet, falling upon the earth. The mountain burning with fire, just another small comet or asteroid, falling to the earth. The Wormwood, yet another meteoric event, but with poisonous and disastrous results. The stars and sun, failing to shine for the third part of the day? Just your garden variety alteration in the duration of earth's rotational period, or in other words, day and night shortened by a speeding up of the earth's spinning.

I don't find the word "Pollution" in your quoted passage. But I most assuredly find pollution in the souls of men, in the things we do, the things we want and must have, the way we are.

And we thought we could get away with it? If there's a God, and I believe with all my heart there is, we have some really bad times on the way.

Free: slumming are you? Can't find sufficient debating material in politics, and must come to religion to get it? Well, welcome...have a good one.
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