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Out-of-town tree huggers block Keystone XL pipeline

Tree huggers know what's best for everyone else. Cuz they r smartr then us.

Fuel Fix Protesters block loggers from clearing Keystone XLs East Texas path

The protesters include Houstonian Sarah Reid, who said she was fighting on behalf of East Texas landowners who have been taken advantage of by TransCanada.
How many East Texas land owners do you reckon ol' Sarah knows who can't fight for themselves if they want to? One? Two? Five? 100? My guess is none.
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Tar Sands Blockade » Taking non-violent direct action to stop the Keystone XL pipeline

and were you interested in finding out anything at all about the background of what's going on there before jerking your knee? Of course not. As usual.



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Old 09-05-2012, 12:37   #3
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August 30, 2012; Convenient Untruths

After the Tar Sands Blockade's successful lock-down on a TransCanada pipe hauling truck(1a), TransCanada's silver-tounged spokesperson, David Dodson, said the protestors have it all wrong. At Lufkin-Nacogdoches' ABC affiliate, KTRE, Alexis Spears quotes Dodson as conveniently saying, “the project does not include tar sands...”

It's convenient that TransCanada's original Keystone XL plans were shot down back in November of 2011. Those plans stated that the goal of the pipeline was to carry diluted tar sands bitumen from the open pit, tar sands mines of Alberta, Canada, to the re-tooled refineries on the Texas gulf coast. Those same refineries have spent millions of dollars to prepare for the refining of the heavy dilbit crude that TransCanada will be transporting through its pipes.

It's convenient that TransCanada has cut the project into two parts and renamed the southern part “the Gulf Coast Project.” That smoke-and-mirrors move was made to cloud the issue. With it they could pretend that it would just be picking up and transporting good old conventional crude from Cushing, Oklahoma, to Nederland, Texas. They could also ignore the EPA's concerns about the blanket waterbody-crossing permits (the only permits needed) which TransCanada was seeking from the Army Corps of Engineers; after all, they argue, the EPA was referring to the Keystone XL, not the Gulf Coast Project. Truth be told, TransCanada already has a smaller diameter pipeline that carries tar sands crude to Cushing: the combination Keystone 1 & Steel City (Nebraska)-to-Cushing Extension, so it's just a matter of connecting.

It's convenient that all TransCanada needs to do now is maintain the misinformation stream in order to slide their pipeline under the radar through Texas. Days before the judge's final ruling in the Crawford Family's contest against TransCanada's common carrier claim and eminent domain status, TransCanada misinformed the press that the judge had ruled for TransCanada, and even argued in court that tar sands crude is the same as conventional crude, even though it is treated as something extraordinary for tax (evasion) purposes. Years before even that hearing TransCanada misinformed Texas landowners that they already had all of their permits in place. Remember the jobs claims (20,000+) TransCanada and the bought-and-paid-for Senators and Representatives tried to sell? Their misinformation stream spurts out like the leaks in their original Keystone 1 pipeline, but not to worry because the new one won't leak like that either. Just ask Mr. Dodson.

The courageous citizens that stopped TransCanada's pipes are under no illusions from TransCanada's convenient untruths. Texas would be well served if more people waved away TransCanada's smoke, cleared their minds, and stood up for the truth. Texas would be better served if more people joined the Tar Sands Blockade in demanding an end to TransCanada's self-serving conveniences.
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TransCanada Gets OK for Texas Portion of Keystone XL Pipeline
Aug 23

In a closely watched case related to the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline, a judge in Texas has ruled against a landowner and in favor of TransCanada Corp. (NYSE: TRP) in a decision upholding the company’s right of eminent domain. TransCanada already has received regulatory approval to build a 485-mile-long portion of the Keystone XL pipeline that will transport crude oil from Cushing, Ok., to Port Arthur, Tex., and plans to begin construction as soon as possible.

Those trying to block construction of the pipeline argued that eminent domain did not apply in this case because the proposed pipeline was not a common carrier, but rather a private project that must negotiate right-of-way with each landowner along the route. The judge sided with TransCanada and the Texas Railroad Commission, the state regulatory agency for the oil industry.
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How Oil and Gas Dollars Fueled the Railroad Commission Race
Will Texas regulators be willing to police the hand that funds them?
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Corruption, plain and simple.
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BREAKING: 3 Blockaders Locked to Equipment Stop Work at Keystone XL Site Tar Sands Blockade

It’s after lunch now, so we’re gonna follow the lead of our contractor and police friends and call it a day! But don’t believe for a second that we’re hangin’ up our hats!

Our 3rd action has been a huge success, and we’re only going to continue standing up for our friends and neighbors by calling fraud what it is – fraud. Tar Sands-sourced diluted bitumen slurry is not crude oil. It’s an exotic, radically toxic hydrocarbon surface-mining product that we will not permit to travel across our homes and freshwater sources without a fight!
Moving Crude Relies on Aging Pipeline System
When Jed Clampett was “shootin’ at some food and up through the ground came a bubblin’ crude,” TV viewers might have thought it was funny. But as it turns out, some of crude oil pipelines in use today in the United States were built about the same time The Beverly Hillbillies hit the air on CBS in 1962.
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... the crude extracted from the tar sands of Canada is more corrosive than other types of crude, raising the risk of leaks. The Keystone XL line would run from Canada to Texas, but unlike the Seaway line, Keystone XL would be brand new.
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An even bigger spill than the one in Michigan occurred in Texas but apparently received little attention. StateImpact Texas came across it in a review of Federal data on crude spills.

In January 2008, a pipeline ruptured near Denver City, a town of about 4,000 people in West Texas. According to the data, the rupture spewed some 1.3 million gallons of crude over a 24 hour period apparently before the company, ConocoPhillips, shut it down. The leak was mentioned in a Houston Chronicle article in 2010 that suggested the pipe was possibly 60 years old and that age might have played a role in the “unpublicized accident.”
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Freesw the Gullible, those stupid treehuggers need to be thrown in the back of the jail cell. I think 20 years bustin' rocks with a sledgehammer would serve them nicely.

I'm fed up with environmentalism.
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Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
I'm fed up with environmentalism.
We're fed up with you. The rest of us have had more than enough of those like you who claim there's nothing wrong with your spreading poison throughout the environment.

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Don't care about you being fed up with me. You are in the minority. Your misguided beliefs system is on its way out. You can go crawl back under a rock.
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Your polluting ways are what are on the way out.
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Take ever fuel using device (including but not limited to grid electric, petroleum, solid fuel, battery, etc power), away from those protesters, and their supporters like Free the Gullible. See how they like living the life they advocate for everyone else.

Of course, considering the pollutant potential of wind and solar power generators, we can't let them have any of those either.
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I don't really care about them building a pipeline, or whether it carries tar-sands. I do, however, have a real chip on my shoulder about abusing "eminent domain". It sure sounds like there is some shady crap going on, as far as that goes.

One of the real jobs of the Gov't, as it was formed, is to protect us from that kind of crap.
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Its all about control

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Your polluting ways are what are on the way out.
Unless you are off the grid, don't own a car, take a dump, exhale CO2 or pass a little methane now and then, your a living breathing polluting machine. Just like the rest of us. I don't care if the pipeline carries sulfur from hell, if it is designed correctly and gives us the energy we need to grease the skids of our economy then we need it. Without the pipeline they will just use trains, trunks, and boats to bring the stuff. A pipeline is the safest. This isn't about the environment, its about control. The environment is merely the means.
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Rural landowners are getting the shaft from corporate polluters throughout the country.
Fracking Is safe, isn't it?
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"We're fed up with you. The rest of us have had more than enough of those like you who claim there's nothing wrong with your spreading poison throughout the environment."

Understood. We're fed up with mindless Liberal Idiots who have made a no holes barred effort to destroy our Republic and turn it into some sort of idyllic Marxist social mecca.

The only question that remains then is what are we going to do about it, because voting sure as hell isn't going to fix the problem!
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If your on the right then you like no better than to throw grandmas off the cliff and poison your own children. You also probably take candy from babies (right wing babies since lefty babies would never have candy). You greedy corporate polluters are just so not fair stealing from the poor to build your empires and too cheap to pay your fair share.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
We're fed up with you. The rest of us have had more than enough of those like you who claim there's nothing wrong with your spreading poison throughout the environment.

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I GUESS YOU WOULD RATHER BUY OIL FROM THE MIDDLE EAST dumb ass
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Anytime Freesw the Gullible is seen posting here, he's being hypocritical for if he really believed all his environmental garbage, he'd have that computer of his turned off so it wouldn't use the electricity.
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The plastic used to create the computer keyboard that ForSoWrong types his diatribes on?

It's not possible without oil.
He's not possible without oil.

I think it's a great idea to "treat" EcoFreak protesters to discover the real environment they so cherish when they show up in mass, in remote areas to protest.

Flat tires, and holes in the gas tanks would be just a good start. Just think of all the exercise they will get walking back a few hundred miles. Michelle Obama would be proud of them, burning off that excess body fat, and getting fit in the bargain!

See, really, we are just helping them get fit folks! LOL
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Once again I will post here on everyones behalf.Oil in pipelines is good for america!We can and have built pipelines with envirotards in mind to save the earth!We can and have used the technologie(s)to prevent damage to the texas fireant,armadildos,killerbees,wild pigs and other such valuable animal species,as well as tumbleweeds and other necessary flora!Now if some wish to use some constructive thinking;how about attaching a rider to the developement of the keystone 2,3,4,or 29,or whatever number they assign this project,and say that as well as oil pumped from up north-that they also must install a 10' diameter pipeline with all of the safeguards to prevent blowout,collapse,or any other mechanical failures with regards to pipelines,and use this 10' pipe to transport water from the greatlakes region to texas and other drought stricken areas!More jobs=morecrops=morejobs=morefood=less expense to consumers=less farm bankrupsies=.....do you see where this is going?Maybe a little constructive thought and a little less bantering from both sides would help this situation.Just my HFO!
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Can you imagine what a boom economy would result if a national move to design, build and maintain a massive canal and pipe line system from areas of the USA with excessive water, to supply water for irrigation and cities in the dry areas?

First, it's not that hard to do, and it would help with flooding every spring. Take the Yellowstone River to start with. Build 10 dams on it, and put a hydroelectric plant on each one of them. (No more floods in the spring folks.)

Then take every other major flood prone river out of the Rockies, and build 10 more dams on each one of them.

Just the water storage alone from these projects would increase farm land by a huge amount.

Oh, and here in Idaho? Build 10 more dams on the Snake, and in WA, 10 more on the Columbia. (I can hear the Salmon worrshipers gasping in despair already.)

If you like Salmon, and it's very tasty, know that they are like cattle, and in absolutely no danger of going away any time soon due to man. (There are millions of miles of spawning grounds/rivers/streams all around the Pacific coast line where they live, breed and are plentiful and healthy.)

Stock the new "lakes" with trout, nature's response to land locked Salmon, and get over yourselves EcoFreaks.
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I'll read your lame links when you tell us you've made your last post here because you're rejecting the use of electricity, doing without a vehicle, forswearing food, all manufactured goods, and breathing.

Until you do you are a monstrous environmental hypocrite. What's it like to be untrue to your foolish religion?
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Crap like trans canada calling the shots has to stop!I could GAF that they"wanted "to use thinwall pipe-it's that they will use the most protected type of pipe or no pipeline-period.No I'm not a leaf licker,tree hugger,or ecotard-but these aholes in the accounting office need to realize that they don't get no pipeline-if they can't conform to safety specifications!We have the technologies to do this correctly to make this pipeline safe and productive!
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