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Old 08-25-2012, 05:47   #1
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Ruby Ridge and the Age of State Terrorism

Ruby Ridge and the Age of State Terrorism by William Norman Grigg
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great article ...note that we see more of these abuses when the dems are in control ..
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Originally Posted by shootnpoot View Post
great article ...note that we see more of these abuses when the dems are in control ..
Do you even know who was president when the Ruby Ridge shooting occurred?
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Originally Posted by shootnpoot View Post
great article ...note that we see more of these abuses when the dems are in control ..
Simply not true. GB 1 was a Republican, disposed the NRA, and was in office when both Waco and Ruby Ridge started. His administration was in power during some of the worse attacks on American liberties in the last 50 years.took place. Remember jack booted thugs?
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Janet Reno ordered the assault on the compound Feb 28, 1993. I believe she worked for Clinton.
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True enough goss-but supermegabitch ubersturmfuror janet "reamus" was the AG as I remember and it was under her tyranny that these things went wild!
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Originally Posted by magnomark View Post
True enough goss-but supermegabitch ubersturmfuror janet "reamus" was the AG as I remember and it was under her tyranny that these things went wild!
No, you're mistaken. Look it up.
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Originally Posted by rhevans View Post
Janet Reno ordered the assault on the compound Feb 28, 1993. I believe she worked for Clinton.
Do you seriously believe that that Bush administration bears no responsibility for the state of the ATF one month after leaving office? The raid was conceived and largely planned while Bush was still president.

And this mere months after the Ruby Ridge shootings, which should have given all federal agencies involved in that operation plenty of reason to examine their tactics!

No amount of mass right wing amnesia can ever change the fact that the Ruby Ridge shootings occurred while Bush, not Clinton, was president. August 1992.
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OK free-it was Wm.pelham Barr.....Never even heard of him before....Was he just a strawman like you?Even so janet the terrible was still there for waco and OKC!OH-and the Klintons are so far beyond reproach-even in these times!
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Originally Posted by magnomark View Post
OK free-it was Wm.pelham Barr.....Never even heard of him before....
Limiting oneself to revisionist "history" will do that.

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Even so janet the terrible was still there for waco and OKC!
Huh?
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Don't forget Elian Gonzalez being yanked out of the house under cover of darkness by black uniformed jackbooted feds ...now we have drones in the air and false flag operations designed to destroy the right of the people to bear arms ...Not to mention the millions killed by leftist regimes throughout history ..Statism which Free and Gossman support is the gateway to totalitarianism ...

I said more, Free and Goss not all ..
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Janet Reno okayed the assault in Waco. Accept that. She claimed children were being abused. She okayed the assault.

All those people were contained in a fenced in compound, just like a prison. They were not going anywhere.

An assault was ordered, got that!
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The article only proves what I've said a few times about the honest, and straight forward personal knowlege that our founding fathers KNEW that the only way the people of this nation had any hope of keeping their freedom and liberty was to remain armed, and able to keep and bear arms at all times.

Every effort to change, limit or remove the ability of citizens to keep and bear arms, limits or removes the ability to defend themselves from corrupt leaders and the actions they take.

We have true criminals in our nation. And yes, even in the "patriot" community that's the case. But we also have true criminals in many of the local and federal "law enforcement" community, and that's just as dangerous to freedom
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Originally Posted by rhevans View Post
Janet Reno okayed the assault in Waco. Accept that. She claimed children were being abused. She okayed the assault.

All those people were contained in a fenced in compound, just like a prison. They were not going anywhere.

An assault was ordered, got that!
Oh I do. But I also accept the fact that George Bush set the ball in motion in both of those incidents and that it was his policies that Clinton continued in his administration. GB was no friend of the American people. All one has to do is read the NRA rags of that era, his view towards Americans was far more evil than Obama can be accused of.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
No, you're mistaken. Look it up.
Janet Reno was AG she gave the order to attack Koresh, and Bill Clinton was President.
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Originally Posted by Rifleman55 View Post
Janet Reno was AG she gave the order to attack Koresh, and Bill Clinton was President.
Janet Reno had not even been confirmed as AG at the time of the ill-advised and botched initial raid.

Waco and the Boomerang Effect: The truth about Waco does not redound to the GOP's credit
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Janet Reno had not even been confirmed as AG at the time of the ill-advised and botched initial raid.

Waco and the Boomerang Effect: The truth about Waco does not redound to the GOP's credit
She was confirmed March 11, 1993. The assault she approved was April 19, 1993.
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You should read more carefully, rhevans.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
You should read more carefully, rhevans.
I read your sligh of hand comment about the "initial" raid. Was she confirmed as the Ag when 85 people died?
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Originally Posted by rhevans View Post
I read your sligh of hand comment about the "initial" raid. Was she confirmed as the Ag when 85 people died?
Plain English, rhevans, not "sleight of hand."

If there is any sleight of hand in this thread, it is the deliberate confusion by some here (including yourself) of Ruby Ridge, which occurred during the Bush administration, and Waco, and the first and last days of the Waco siege.

But if you insist on discussing April 19, 1993, you should look into the role William Sessions had in the leadup to that.
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Are you claiming that the members of the ATF and FBI who planned and carried out these raids were political appointees of presidents and therefore the presidents should be held responsible?
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