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Old 08-14-2012, 04:28   #1
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Why are we losing the war on drugs

Last night I decided to relax after work, so I got on youtube to watch some videos. While browsing through various documentaries I came across a Vice video about Krokodil.

If you do not know what Krokodil is, you better hope this terrible drug stays contained in Russia. Krokodil eats the flesh off its victims; its a combination of over the counter drugs and gasoline.


Why does Russia have a drug problem? Part of it stems back to the Russian-Afghan war of the 1980s. In order to buy weapons, the people of Afghanistan started growing poppy, which is used to make heroin. The heroin was then sold to the Russians.

Its kind of ironic that the Russians helped defeat themselves by buying heroin, and the U.S. is helping fund radical terrorist by buying gasoline from OPEC.

After the Russian-Afghan war ended, the heroin kept flowing. Here we are 21 years after the fall of the USSR, and Russia is still paying the price for invading Afghanistan.

Now that the U.S. is in the region, nothing has changed. The military is even encouraging Afghanistan farmers to grow poppy. The reason is that they farmers need to make money. But we need a drug free society.

When I was in high school in the mid 1980s, drugs were frowned upon. Not a single one of my friends died of an overdose. Maybe we were smart enough to stay away from drugs?

Today, kids can buy bathsalts and synthetic drugs at the local corner store. And the government is doing very little to stop it. When I talked to the kids about doing synthetic drugs, their excuse is "its legal". Just because its legal does not mean you should.

Where is the self-control in our younger generation? Why can't the kids of today just say no to drugs?

Are we fostering a generation of children who are weak minded to the point where they can not say no to drugs?

Some people say the kids are bored, so they turn to drugs. That is a load of crap. You know what I had when I was growing up? We played baseball, football, tag, chase, frisbee,,, and other fun games. Games that did not include sitting on your butt for hours at a time in front of a computer screen or TV. And guess what, almost nobody was fat.

I think part of the problem is, kids think they are entitled to whatever the want, and at the expense of someone else. But isn't that a problem with every generation?

Society as a whole is moving away from hard work. The factories have been shipped to china, steel mills have been closed, society as a whole is degenerating. Fewer people are growing up with a good work ethic.

We see the banks stealing money, we see the government breaking the law, and nothing is done about it. So why can't the people do whatever they want? Why is wall street and the government the only ones that can break the law and get away with it?

The government needs to set an example for the people. The military is sent to Afghanistan to guard poppy fields (at tax payers expense), but the people are not supposed to do drugs? Its ok to grow it, just dont use it? How does that even make sense? But that is the example the government is setting.
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Decades ago many American youth abused inhalants, and while the damage wasn't as dramatically apparent as that caused by krokodile, inhalant abuse is extremely harmful. And PCP was widely used too. Drug use and abuse will never be stamped out. The question is, do we as a society focus on harm reduction, or punishment? Right now it is insane; half of one percent of the US population is currently locked up for drugs. Many more lives are harmed, not by the drugs themselves, but by the waste of opportunities caused by drug convictions.

The Nixon administration tried getting tough at the border and marijuana imports dried up for a while. And what happened? Lots of marijuana users tried other drugs, including heroin. Let people use marijuana and other natural herbs and we will see the overall harm from drugs drop. There will always be a few people who prefer strong chemical highs, but most drug users will opt for natural highs if given the choice. The more the government cracks down on natural drugs, the more users resort to harsh chemicals. That's the way it is.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Drug use and abuse will never be stamped out.
If we can eradicate small pox, I am sure we can address the drug issue.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
No one seeks out smallpox.
In the game half-life 2, the security personal consider criminals a type of disease.

When the hero of the game Gordon Freeman is about to escape, the security people start saying"outbreak", such as a disease outbreak.

Maybe we should look at drug abuse as a disease. Instead of punishing the people who use drugs, society should look for a cure.
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Most of the addiction treatment industry does treat addiction as a disease. The prevailing theory is that no addict is ever "cured," but that total abstinence from drugs and alcohol, combined with certain life changes, amounts to recovery.

This would be fine were it not for a low success rate. Defining as failure any drug or alcohol use at all once someone is classified as an addict all but ensures a high failure rate. American drug policy is rooted not in experience, but in puritan attitudes. The history of drug prohibition legislation and policies is a real eye opener.

If it weren't for the entire culture of drug illegality (the subculture, police practices, the legal and penal systems, the medical system), the examples of other countries in which drug laws are not so harsh and punitive indicates that individual and societal harm from drug abuse would be far less than it is.

Life is challenging enough without drugs added to the mix, and even marijuana can derail the life of a teenager who uses it. I'd urge any teen not to risk it. But slapping a teenager who does it with a criminal record or label of "addict" is hardly the answer.
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Instead of punishing drug users and addicts with prison, we should punish them by denying them some of the benefits that our society has to offer. I am for legalizing marijuana if the state will deny its users any and all professional licenses. This would also include prohibiting the possesion of a firearm even to medical marijuana users. I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs, but I realize that many people have different view on the subject.
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Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
Maybe we should look at drug abuse as a disease. Instead of punishing the people who use drugs, society should look for a cure.
Addiction is not a disease and aside from death, there's no cure for stupid. How about people learn some discipline and quit their self-induced bad habits?
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We're losing the "war" because we're trying to "fight it" using the libtard methodology.
Inject 37gr of lead just behind the right ear of every user, and the majority of the problem will go away.
This approach has several other advantages, among those are lower healthcare costs, fewer people in jails, increased personal responsibility, reduced govt spending, etc
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Talking Here's what I think !

I think that we need to be sending users to chain gang type prisons and make them work when they are found guilty , not just turn them loose again !

We need to come down hard on these losers and make them think , as now they know , unlike now when nothing going to happen the first dozen times !

We could wipe out the whole " Republican party " doing this , thus controlling their numbers , just think of it as some kind of Republican birth control !
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Like the last major wars we have been invovled in the American don't have the gut's to win any more. The soul's of countless Americans are rolling in their graves because of sorry rectums we have become.
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Its an un-winnable war and its is costing hundreds of billions to wage.
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