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Bill in the works to ban or restrict online ammo sales.

White House gives cool welcome to bill restricting online ammo sales | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

Knee jerk legislation. There are now at least a few bills or amendments to bills that seek to further restrict firearms ownership and their accessories, and there may be more on the way too. I know a lot of you guys aren't too worried about this stuff, and you may end up being right. I have a bad feeling that we are once again going to have to compromise with these relentless fascists. I would love to think that all of these bills will eventually loose traction and die. This is not unprecedented, but that doesn't mean that nothing will happen again.

Just like the article says, the lawmakers should be focusing on keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and mentally ill. I personally don't care if they beef up the background checks and focus on illegal weapons circulation, that is what she should be doing. Not limiting ammo sales like soda in NY. These ass clowns routinely show how little they know about weapons and the people who use them lawfully. People who buy ammo online don't commit crimes with it. It leaves an electronic trail because it can only be bought with a credit or debit card. They are going to keep writing these bills until a few of them pass.
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These are the same clowns behind the high capacity magazine bans. It will work about as well as the ban on 32oz sodas for preventing obesity.
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I don't think it will go anywhere but we need to keep our eyes on it. It could put quite a few ammo distributors out of business.
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Yep, business as usual. Restricting the rights of millions of americans so they can appear like they are accomplishing something. Are any of these laws going to stop someone from killing more people in the future? We all know the answer to that.

This is not going to deter psychos from going on rampages, it is only going to raise the price of ammo for all of us. It could even put people out of work. Firearms (and some accessories) are some of the last commodities we actually still make in this country.
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Better yet, why not have a Do Nothing Congress and basically... well, DO NOTHING. That seems to be your approach to everything BBP.

Glad I'm still on your ignore feature. That way you can continue to do nothing.
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Originally Posted by justsaying View Post
Better yet, why not have a Do Nothing Congress and basically... well, DO NOTHING. That seems to be your approach to everything BBP.

Glad I'm still on your ignore feature. That way you can continue to do nothing.
So your ok with the government banning ammunition sales online? Do people think thats going to stop people from buying ammo. This is kinda stupid.
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Originally Posted by qwman68 View Post
So your ok with the government banning ammunition sales online? Do people think thats going to stop people from buying ammo. This is kinda stupid.
That's a fair question so I'll answer it.

Imagine a 13 year old kid steals a credit card and purchases ammo online. That's simply unacceptable. With the amount of identity theft we have in this country, we have to implement better safeguards for our citizens.

After all, isn't there another thread on this forum about illegal immigrants coming to this country claiming "the DreamAct". Think of all the things they could do online with a stolen credit card. We don't want another Fast and Furious incident -right? We need to track weaponry better.

Most importantly, the key isn't to ban ammo sales. It's to ban anonymous sales.
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Unless the government is going to scrutinize every ammo sale I dont see how its going to make a difference. My LGS doesnt require an I.D. to purchase ammo. Gun shows sell tons of ammo without even asking a question. Is the government going to start a database for ammunition sales to keep track of people buying alot of ammo? Its not going to matter. You cant stop selling everything online to stop credit card fraud. Thats ridiculous. My wife, and both kids have debit cards. If they made a purchase online I would know within 24hrs. Blame parents for things like that.
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I am glad your on my ignore feature too Justsaying, it has been nice of you exercise your fifth amendment rights on this forum! I only saw your post because Qwman quoted you. And yes that is my approach to everything regarding government. We need less laws, not more. Less regulation, not more. Our country has become a web of red tape, regulation, and overlapping rules. It is a dream for bureaucrats and lawyers because it ensures that you will need to hire them at some point or another to translate this crap, or represent you because of some rule you broke.

The courts and correctional system are overflowing and law enforcement is booming, despite a dip in the economy. The last thing we need are more laws, especially ones that are made to target a fraction of a percent of the population. So you are ok with restricting the rights of millions of americans to deter (not stop) another rampage like the one in Colorado? What makes you think that these laws will succeed?

Laws that prohibit specific criminal acts (or undesirable behavior) are necessary, those laws all have a victim. Restricting firearms, ammo, and their accessories are just general laws that don't have a specific victim, and they can be seen as unconstitutional. They are only on the books to infringe upon our rights, lives, and our pursuit of happiness. They serve no purpose because it doesn't actually prohibit criminal acts. I know it doesn't bother you because you don't own firearms. Although that doesn't stop you from having a warped opinion, or from posting on this forum. Thank you for your wealth of knowledge and information BTW. I have really learned a lot from you pal, seriously. Look at my signature and you'll see what exactly that is. You are nothing but a peanut gallery like your political cohort Free. I refuse to have your fascist ideology pushed upon me and my countrymen under the pretense of protection and fear. You only understand conformity and status quo anyways.
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Originally Posted by qwman68 View Post
Is the government going to start a database for ammunition sales to keep track of people buying alot of ammo?
In Kalifornia they've been working on requiring a thumbprint ID for all ammunition purchases. IMO the cost for setting up this database would be astronomical.
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In Kalifornia they've been working on requiring a thumbprint ID for all ammunition purchases. IMO the cost for setting up this database would be astronomical.
That would be where a "tax" comes into play, also, do you remember Hilary Clintons proposal for an ammo tax to pay for poor inner city thugs who shoot each other?
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Originally Posted by BangBangPlay View Post
White House gives cool welcome to bill restricting online ammo sales | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

Knee jerk legislation. There are now at least a few bills or amendments to bills that seek to further restrict firearms ownership and their accessories, and there may be more on the way too. I know a lot of you guys aren't too worried about this stuff, and you may end up being right. I have a bad feeling that we are once again going to have to compromise with these relentless fascists. I would love to think that all of these bills will eventually loose traction and die. This is not unprecedented, but that doesn't mean that nothing will happen again.

Just like the article says, the lawmakers should be focusing on keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and mentally ill. I personally don't care if they beef up the background checks and focus on illegal weapons circulation, that is what she should be doing. Not limiting ammo sales like soda in NY. These ass clowns routinely show how little they know about weapons and the people who use them lawfully. People who buy ammo online don't commit crimes with it. It leaves an electronic trail because it can only be bought with a credit or debit card. They are going to keep writing these bills until a few of them pass.
They limit soda sales in NY ? What ?
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Hey I just thought of a new signature !
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Originally Posted by justsaying View Post
That's a fair question so I'll answer it.

Imagine a 13 year old kid steals a credit card and purchases ammo online. That's simply unacceptable. With the amount of identity theft we have in this country, we have to implement better safeguards for our citizens.

After all, isn't there another thread on this forum about illegal immigrants coming to this country claiming "the DreamAct". Think of all the things they could do online with a stolen credit card. We don't want another Fast and Furious incident -right? We need to track weaponry better.

Most importantly, the key isn't to ban ammo sales. It's to ban anonymous sales.
ummm my ammo has to be signed for by an adult when it gets here, showing id in some cases if its a new driver and he don't know everyone their he won't give unless its the person on the package that was a really lame excuse. Besides a 13 year is probably gonna act on impulse and do a bad deed as soon as he thinks of it, not wait for 1000 rounds of ammo to come in 3 weeks. Not only that you can get ammo locally at stores it just cost more and I think if I was going to do a bad deed I would buy local and try to get my guns on the black market incase I have an escape plan and may get away undetected. Oh my I sound like a criminal now. Look what you made me do liberal.
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Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
That would be where a "tax" comes into play, also, do you remember Hilary Clintons proposal for an ammo tax to pay for poor inner city thugs who shoot each other?
I don't recall but it wouldn't surprise me. Liberals want to subsidize everything. In San Francisco and Los Angeles there is zero tax on ammo sales. That's because they made it illegal to sell any firearms and ammo within city limits.
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I don't recall but it wouldn't surprise me. Liberals want to subsidize everything. In San Francisco and Los Angeles there is zero tax on ammo sales. That's because they made it illegal to sell any firearms and ammo within city limits.
So if you take away people's ability to get ammo online then in SF you would have to search out the closest ammo dealer out of city to buy ammo. There are too many flaws to this way of thinking.
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Originally Posted by qwman68 View Post
So if you take away people's ability to get ammo online then in SF you would have to search out the closest ammo dealer out of city to buy ammo. There are too many flaws to this way of thinking.
You can't buy online either. It's illegal to ship ammo to a SF or LA residence. Here's other locations listed by an ammo supplier.

Places We Do Not Ship To.

We will sell to individuals within California (subject to sales tax) EXCEPT in the following areas and any other areas prohibited by local or state ordinance or regulation or law (it is up to the purchaser to know the rules for their situation):

* The City of Sacramento (Just Guns in Sacramento carries our ammunition and the city is a no ship per local regulations)
* City of San Francisco (the city is a no ship per local regulations)
* City of Los Angeles (the city is a no ship per local regulations)

Within 10 miles of these dealers for the ammunition of ours that they carry (We will let you know)
* San Jose (The Gun Exchange carries our ammunition)
* Lincoln (Lincoln Gun Exchange carries our ammunition)
* Loomis (EWG Guns carries our ammunition)
* Gilroy (Predator's Archery carries our ammunition)
* Tracy (Tracy Rifle and Pistol carries our ammunition)
* Within 10 miles of any other dealer that may be added.

Nevada: Fallon (Frontier Liquor carries our ammunition)

New Mexico: Lordsburg (H. Bishop Lumber carries our ammunition)

Hawaii: We will ship to Hawaii, but it only ships FedEx Air and there is an additional $35 fee charged by the carrier. It is the responsibility of the purchaser to register the ammunition with local law enforcement within three days of receipt.

Illinois: We do not ship, sell or offer for sale any Ammunition to any one in the following communities:

* Chicago
* Aurora

Maryland: We do not ship, sell or offer for sale any Ammunition to any one in the state of Maryland or anyone using a billing address in the state of Maryland.Óż*

Massachusetts: We do not ship, sell or offer for sale any Ammunition to any one in the state of Massachusetts or anyone using a billing address in the state of Massachusetts. We do ship to an FFL holders address in the state of Massachusetts if we have a copy of a current license on file.

New York: We do not ship, sell or offer for sale any Ammunition to anyone in the state of New York in the following communities:

* New York City
* Bronx, Brooklyn
* Manhattan
* Queens
* Staten Island
* Buffalo
* Rochester

Ohio: We do not ship, sell or offer for sale any Ammunition any one in the following communities:

* Cincinnati
* Cleveland
* Columbus
* Dayton

Washington D.C. We do not ship, sell or offer for sale any Ammunition to any one in Washington D.C. or anyone using a billing address in Washington D.C.

Please visit the following link for more information:

ATF Online - Laws, Regulations & Rulings

and more specifically: Title 27: Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms: PART 478ŚCommerce in Firearms and Ammunition
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Originally Posted by qwman68 View Post
Unless the government is going to scrutinize every ammo sale I dont see how its going to make a difference. My LGS doesnt require an I.D. to purchase ammo. Gun shows sell tons of ammo without even asking a question. Is the government going to start a database for ammunition sales to keep track of people buying alot of ammo? Its not going to matter. You cant stop selling everything online to stop credit card fraud. Thats ridiculous. My wife, and both kids have debit cards. If they made a purchase online I would know within 24hrs. Blame parents for things like that.
Shhhh!!! Hush your mouth! If they realize that, it will start a whole new flood of "gunshow laws"!
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Shhhh!!! Hush your mouth! If they realize that, it will start a whole new flood of "gunshow laws"!
I agree. He should delete that post !
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Originally Posted by Drache Teufel View Post
They limit soda sales in NY ? What ?
Yes sir. It is illegal in NY for a restaurant or store to sell soda or any drink with sugar (including coffee) in a container larger than 16 oz. They are subject to a fine larger than one for possession of marijuana.

Funny because when this happened the first thing I said on this forum was "what are they going to go after next, ammo purchases?" Most of those anti gun people are so ignorant that they don't understand the benefit of buying large amounts of ammo online. The shipping is the same regardless of the amount of ammo (to a certain threshold), so it is wise to buy in bulk a few times a year instead of buying ammo every week. People like justsaying don't understand this and only see buying ammo in bulk online as suspicious behavior. I am sure all of us have purchased over 1000 rounds online here and there to get a deal. I buy surplus ammo cans of 5.56 all the time although they carry 420 rounds.
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Holy mother f*cker soda restrictions LMFAO. Wow I can't believe it. Are you serious? What happens if someone walks in with a case ? Is it 15 years to life ? lols. Man I am so glad I live in the back woods. Those damn liberals will never dare come f*ck around here. The ammo deal will be raw and will effect me too though. So sad they trying to make the poor have to pay more for an ignorant excuse. Pathetic !
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I hear ya, especially living in the sticks. I lived in the rain forest in Costa Rica for 6 years and it was great. Small towns have their little issues, mainly that everyone knows your business and there is little professional privacy.

I had a few firearms down there, mainly pistols for CC. Gun laws there are a bit strict and only apply to residents (which I am) and citizens. Although they are strict, they only enforce them in the large cities and the capitol. There were only 2 police officers stationed in the small town next to mine, so nobody cared what you did. Especially on your own property, which is basically in the middle of nowhere. My philosophy on self defense, self reliance/preparedness, and not depending on anyone (especially the authorities) comes from the time I spent there. It was like the wild west, although there wasn't rampant violent crime or anything like that. Mostly theft, which I was never a victim of. Now I am back in the city and the people who have lived here their entire lives just don't understand. The power goes out for a few hours and people panic out of ignorance. That is the same thing they do when they feel threatened by shootings that take place once every 4-5 years, and they react foolishly out of ignorance. That is part of the reason I belong to this forum, not to argue with ignorant folk like Free and Justsaying, but to find a common ground with my fellow gun owners.
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Originally Posted by BangBangPlay View Post
White House gives cool welcome to bill restricting online ammo sales | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

Knee jerk legislation. There are now at least a few bills or amendments to bills that seek to further restrict firearms ownership and their accessories, and there may be more on the way too. I know a lot of you guys aren't too worried about this stuff, and you may end up being right. I have a bad feeling that we are once again going to have to compromise with these relentless fascists. I would love to think that all of these bills will eventually loose traction and die. This is not unprecedented, but that doesn't mean that nothing will happen again.

Just like the article says, the lawmakers should be focusing on keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and mentally ill. I personally don't care if they beef up the background checks and focus on illegal weapons circulation, that is what she should be doing. Not limiting ammo sales like soda in NY. These ass clowns routinely show how little they know about weapons and the people who use them lawfully. People who buy ammo online don't commit crimes with it. It leaves an electronic trail because it can only be bought with a credit or debit card. They are going to keep writing these bills until a few of them pass.


They can kill either one of 2 birds with this one stone. If it passes, they get their unconstitutional restriction on our rights. If it doesnt pass because the Rep's shoot it down, then the Dems, with the media's ever present assistance will use this failure to vilify the Rep's "for not making the American citizens safe"

Complete nonsense of course, as the Dems and the liberal elite do more to make the citizens of this country unsafe all the time and couldnt care less!
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Originally Posted by justsaying View Post
That's a fair question so I'll answer it.

Imagine a 13 year old kid steals a credit card and purchases ammo online. That's simply unacceptable. With the amount of identity theft we have in this country, we have to implement better safeguards for our citizens.

After all, isn't there another thread on this forum about illegal immigrants coming to this country claiming "the DreamAct". Think of all the things they could do online with a stolen credit card. We don't want another Fast and Furious incident -right? We need to track weaponry better.

Most importantly, the key isn't to ban ammo sales. It's to ban anonymous sales.


Wait a minute, I dont remember many liberals having a problem with the fast and furious incident, you guys just made excuses for it and ignored it all. Who cares about the 200+ dead Mexicans right? So you are once again being selective in what and who you care about. You dont seem to care about the thousands of criminals pouring over our borders, as most libs want open borders.

But suddenly you are concerned that "maybe" an illegal immigrant will steal a credit card and buy ammo? So millions should have their rights infringed upon because of what "might" happen?

Here's another "fair question" for you: Do you really think that taking away guns and ammo from LAW ABIDING CITZENS will stop crime and murders? Do you think that criminals will follow those laws? What possible evidence do you have that remotely supports any of that?

Do you realize that over 70,000 Romans were killed in a matter of hours by the Carthaginians, not to mention the thousands of Carthaginians killed, and yet not a single firearm existed at that time? How do you explain that if guns are what causes or instigates murder?

Millions of people were killed before guns existed, and that WILL NOT STOP if you get rid of all ammo and all guns! There is absolutely no evidence to show that these blind gun laws prevent crime! Chicago has among the toughest gun laws in the country, with a complete ban on handguns, yet they have a ten year high murder rate right now! The local and state Dems response to this? Ban assault rifles in Illinois, which make up less than 1% of the weapons used in murders! In other words, as usual, the Dems jump to the the usual anti constitutional knee jerk reaction that has almost nothing to do with the problem!

Yet you and Free and most other libs seem to just blindly support all of it, even if there is NO evidence that it ever works, just because libs and Dems told you its a good idea.......

No offense, but like Free, you should thinking scientifically and logically about rules and laws before you jump in and blindly support whatever next left wing idea that comes down the pike.....

Why dont we ban knives, bats, rocks, tree limbs? People have been killed by all that stuff, and when your beloved Dems take away guns eventually, the above listed weapons will replace the guns, but only after criminals use whatever guns are still in their hands to murder more unarmed citizens!
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