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Old 07-13-2012, 09:52   #1
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Question Why do liberals support Obamacare when it goes against their beliefs?

Liberals claim to want single payer health care. They also blame corporations for most of the worlds ills. So many of them hate corporations. They mostly want to remove private/corporate health insurance companies from the American health insurance industry. So does it make sense that they would support a policy that further strengthens the corporate stranglehold on health insurance in America? Of course it doesnt make sense, but yet Obamacare does just that, and Liberals support it! Amazing.....


Liberals claim to care about the little guy, ie. the poor. Obamacare forces the working poor, ie. people making more than $12,000 per year, but not much more, to spend thousands of dollars per year that they dont have and cant afford, to buy health insurance. All the while, Obamacare also gives millions of illegal immigrants FREE, 100% health care coverage under medicaid! So it discriminates against working poor Americans, but gives free health insurance to illegals. Obviously that is completely unfair and financially devastating to working poor Americans, but yet Liberals couldnt seem to care less! Thats because they have been deluded into seeing this type of discrimination as "Affirmative action". They support ALL of this stuff. which is proven by the fact that they arent complaining about ANY of it...... So much for caring about the "poor little guy". Well, actually they will help you, if you are a Latino non-citizen! But not because the Dems "care" about you, its all done to get your votes after you are given amnesty.. At the expense of the same working poor taxpayers who have to buy their own insurance. F-them!!

Oh yeah, if those same working poor cant come up with the $2,000-$10,000 per year for health insurance, then Obama will penalize them or tax them about $700 per year! Where does that money go? Well, it supposedly goes back into the health insurance pot, some of it to provide health insurance to illegals for free.

Liberals claim that they dont want the middle class to be taxed right now. Well, truth is, most liberals do want them to be taxed at higher rates, but they say they dont want it to happen right now in a recession. Yet Obamacare includes one of the largest middle class tax hikes in US history! Yet they support Obamacare.......

Truth is, most Liberals dont have a clue what Obamacare is even about. They have fallen for the propaganda that all Obamcare does is to prevent people with pre-existing conditions from being dropped from their insurance, and to allow young adults to stay on their parents' insurance til 26 or so. Those are the only things that the media ever talks about when referring to Obamacare. Well, if that were true, Obamacare would only be about 2 pages long. Not 2,500 pages! There is a lot more to the law than those 2 things! Boehner said last year that they want to do away with Obamacare, but come up with another bill that keeps those 2 popular provisions, but Liberals keep lying about that and fear mongering, claiming that "Rep's want your little kids with pre-existing conditions to be dropped from their health insurance", or "Rep's just want you to die quickly"

NO, Rep's and Conservative dont want THIS failed bill! Thats all........ While Liberals support it blindly, simply because they have been told to do so, as usual....
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Originally Posted by NorthernSoutherner View Post
Truth is, most Liberals dont have a clue what Obamacare is even about.
Most of the idiots in Congress never read it, and they didn't write it either. It was written by lobbyists.

Taxes that took effect in 2010:

1. Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals (Min$/immediate): $50,000 per hospital if they fail to meet new “community health assessment needs,” “financial assistance,” and “billing and collection” rules set by HHS. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,961-1,971

2. Codification of the “economic substance doctrine” (Tax hike of $4.5 billion). This provision allows the IRS to disallow completely-legal tax deductions and other legal tax-minimizing plans just because the IRS deems that the action lacks “substance” and is merely intended to reduce taxes owed. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 108-113

3. “Black liquor” tax hike (Tax hike of $23.6 billion). This is a tax increase on a type of bio-fuel. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 105

4. Tax on Innovator Drug Companies ($22.2 bil/Jan 2010): $2.3 billion annual tax on the industry imposed relative to share of sales made that year. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,971-1,980

5. Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike ($0.4 bil/Jan 2010): The special tax deduction in current law for Blue Cross/Blue Shield companies would only be allowed if 85 percent or more of premium revenues are spent on clinical services. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,004

6. Tax on Indoor Tanning Services ($2.7 billion/July 1, 2010): New 10 percent excise tax on Americans using indoor tanning salons. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,397-2,399
Taxes that took effect in 2011:

7. Medicine Cabinet Tax ($5 bil/Jan 2011): Americans no longer able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin). Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957-1,959

8. HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike ($1.4 bil/Jan 2011): Increases additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,959

Tax that took effect in 2012:

9. Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2 (Min$/Jan 2012): Preamble to taxing health benefits on individual tax returns. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957

Taxes that take effect in 2013:

10. Surtax on Investment Income ($123 billion/Jan. 2013): Creation of a new, 3.8 percent surtax on investment income earned in households making at least $250,000 ($200,000 single). This would result in the following top tax rates on investment income: Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 87-93

11. Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax ($86.8 bil/Jan 2013):

12. Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers ($20 bil/Jan 2013): Medical device manufacturers employ 360,000 people in 6000 plants across the country. This law imposes a new 2.3% excise tax. Exempts items retailing for 13. Raise “Haircut” for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI ($15.2 bil/Jan 2013): Currently, those facing high medical expenses are allowed a deduction for medical expenses to the extent that those expenses exceed 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI). The new provision imposes a threshold of 10 percent of AGI. Waived for 65+ taxpayers in 2013-2016 only. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994-1,995

14. Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka “Special Needs Kids Tax” ($13 bil/Jan 2013): Imposes cap on FSAs of $2500 (now unlimited). Indexed to inflation after 2013. There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,388-2,389

15. Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D ($4.5 bil/Jan 2013) Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994

16. $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives ($0.6 bil/Jan 2013). Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,995-2,000

Taxes that take effect in 2014:

17. Individual Mandate Excise Tax (Jan 2014):

18. Employer Mandate Tax (Jan 2014): If an employer does not offer health coverage, and at least one employee qualifies for a health tax credit, the employer must pay an additional non-deductible tax of $2000 for all full-time employees. Applies to all employers with 50 or more employees. If any employee actually receives coverage through the exchange, the penalty on the employer for that employee rises to $3000. If the employer requires a waiting period to enroll in coverage of 30-60 days, there is a $400 tax per employee ($600 if the period is 60 days or longer). Bill: PPACA; Page: 345-346
Combined score of individual and employer mandate tax penalty: $65 billion/10 years

19. Tax on Health Insurers ($60.1 bil/Jan 2014): Annual tax on the industry imposed relative to health insurance premiums collected that year. Phases in gradually until 2018. Fully-imposed on firms with $50 million in profits. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,986-1,993

Taxes that take effect in 2018:

20. Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans ($32 bil/Jan 2018): Starting in 2018, new 40 percent excise tax on “Cadillac” health insurance plans ($10,200 single/$27,500 family). Higher threshold ($11,500 single/$29,450 family) for early retirees and high-risk professions. CPI +1 percentage point indexed. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,941-1,956
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See, Obamacare isnt just the 2 provisions the media want us to believe that it is!

So it badly hurts parent of special needs children? This is something the Rep's need to bring up, along with the free illegal immigrant medicaid, while forcing the poor to buy to buy insurance. If the American people realized these things that the media will never report, Obama would NEVER get reelected!


^Thats why they dont report it....
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Why is none of this sourced?
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Why is none of this sourced?
Remember, the bill had to be passed to find out what is in it.

I saw at least 17 references to page numbers in the post.
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Sure rhevans, that stuff's right out of the bill itself.

There's usually an "interesting" reason when someone doesn't include a link to the source, or even a reference of any kind.
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Originally Posted by rhevans View Post
Remember, the bill had to be passed to find out what is in it.

I saw at least 17 references to page numbers in the post.
If you want freebie to comprehend it, you have to put it in cartoon form. Sorta like Dick and Jane, but with smaller words.
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If you want freebie to comprehend it, you have to put it in cartoon form. Sorta like Dick and Jane, but with smaller words.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Google it you communist treehugger. Your such a douche.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Sure rhevans, that stuff's right out of the bill itself.

There's usually an "interesting" reason when someone doesn't include a link to the source, or even a reference of any kind.
So the actual law is not a source?
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Dude, those are not excerpts from "the actual law."
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Dude, those are not excerpts from "the actual law."
Glad to find out the PPACA is not an actual law. What is it then?
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Why is none of this sourced?
Why is none of what sourced? The individual mandate which forces people who cant afford health care to buy it? Are you serious? You missed the supreme court thing all about that?

You mean the free health insurance to illegals? You missed the news reports and the huge argument that broke out in congress about this 2 years ago? Again, are you serious?

Or do you mean all the mandates that were just listed above which WERE a f--cking source!

Its funny how your idea of truth, is whatever nonsense you read at daily kos or moveon.org or MSNBC, but when someone talks about REAL, WELL known facts that have been reported just about everywhere, you dont believe it!

Thats exactly why you are a blind liberal.
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Originally Posted by qwman68 View Post
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Google it you communist treehugger. Your such a douche.

Dude, that^ is never going to happen! He doesnt want to believe anything bad happens in the name of the Dems and the left, thats his religion, as it is the religion of all liberals. He is not going to look for anything that may disprove his idelology, and even if you PROVE it to him, he will choose to ignore it anyway. Thats what ideologs do! Or he will shift the blame, change the subject, or use Two wrongs make a right to justify terrible policy by Obama.

Bottom line, he is not going to hold Dems accountable, and he will vote for them no matter what the hell they do.

Its their religion! We are blasphemers........
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Who would have thunk a simple question about the origin of a copy'n'paste post would get so many panties in a bunch.

Some of you have reading comprehension problems. If you can't see that's not text from the law, you have a problem. There is tons of false "info" about the AHCA out there, and without a source, there's no reason to believe anything from post #2 is legit.

And no, qman, I shouldn't have to google it. Unoriginal material should be sourced.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Who would have thunk a simple question about the origin of a copy'n'paste post would get so many panties in a bunch.

Some of you have reading comprehension problems. If you can't see that's not text from the law, you have a problem. There is tons of false "info" about the AHCA out there, and without a source, there's no reason to believe anything from post #2 is legit.

And no, qman, I shouldn't have to google it. Unoriginal material should be sourced.
A pure deflection on your part. Those are real tax increases and you know it.
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It's not a deflection at all. Give me something authentic to respond to, and I'll respond to it.

Much of what is posted in the blogosphere about the AHCA is bogus. The bias in post #2 is evident and it has the appearance and odor of virtual bovine feces.

Brian's failure to post a link is more evidence of its dubious origin.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
It's not a deflection at all. Give me something authentic to respond to, and I'll respond to it.

Much of what is posted in the blogosphere about the AHCA is bogus. The bias in post #2 is evident and it has the appearance and odor of virtual bovine feces.

Brian's failure to post a link is more evidence of its dubious origin.
Then disprove each and every one of those tax increases as listed in post # 2..
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
It's not a deflection at all. Give me something authentic to respond to, and I'll respond to it.

Much of what is posted in the blogosphere about the AHCA is bogus. The bias in post #2 is evident and it has the appearance and odor of virtual bovine feces.

Brian's failure to post a link is more evidence of its dubious origin.
I'm talking real tax increases and you're complaining about the source of a post.
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Give me something authentic and I'll respond.

I've already addressed some of the bullcrap posted by Brian S about the AHCA.
Democratic Leader Explains Obamacare: 'There's No Tax on Anybody Unless They Refuse'
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Medical device makers: New tax will cost jobs - BusinessWeek
Excise Tax on Indoor Tanning Services Frequently Asked Questions

These are not new taxes? Explain the need for a tax on tanning parlors. That is a tax on females.
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See? How hard was that.

Excise Tax on Medical Devices Should Not Be Repealed - Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

But there is some merit to the criticism:
"On the balance we think there are more positives in the bill than negatives for people with disabilities, but we think it will do harm for consumers in terms of wheelchairs, prosthetics and the things they need," says Imparato.
The impact of the new tax on medical devices: Health Care Fact Check | cleveland.com


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These are not new taxes? Explain the need for a tax on tanning parlors. That is a tax on females.
I remain unmoved.
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I remain unmoved.
Now, THAT's a shocker.
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Yeah how sad that fewer people can afford artificial tans. What's next, botox?
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Yeah how sad that fewer people can afford artificial tans. What's next, botox?
A fake bake is better than skin cancer.
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