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Old 06-12-2012, 05:53   #1
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China Doesn't Need Environmentalism

You see, they already have the control that they desire over their population. So they (rightly) tell the stupid European Union to take a flying leap.

China could impound European planes in carbon row | Reuters

There are hidden truths found within such stories. Environmentalism is only popular where governments want ever more control. Like Europe. Like the USA. China doesn't need the stalking horse of environmentalism which is neither popular nor practiced by totalitarian regimes. Here, it's needed in order to amass control.

"China will take swift counter-measures that could include impounding European aircraft if the European Union punishes Chinese airlines for non-compliance with a scheme to curb carbon emissions, the China Air Transport Association said on Tuesday."


We don't need environmentalism either.
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You make no sense.
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You have no sense.
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You probably received a decent education all those years ago, so your inability or unwillingness to exercise basic reason must be attributed to the effects of your right wing brainwashing.

I've yet to meet a liberal who asked me to disable my brain, but mental disablement is mandatory for right wing nut cultists. Your OP is a classic example of wingnut illogic.
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Nope, you're wrong. I was brought up to recognize and know the difference between right and wrong. I can also put two and two together when it comes to leftists schemes.
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Or so you tell yourself. The logical fallacies in your OP are glaringly obvious, so yes, you are brainwashed. Your "reasoning" is just as insensible as Alex Jones twisting all events to cram into his peculiar worldview.
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Old 06-12-2012, 14:39   #7
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Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
I was brought up to recognize and know the difference between right and wrong.
I believe it.

The debasement of conservatives in this country through the propaganda of plutocracy is nothing short of a national tragedy. They have literally taught you to embrace lies on a wholesale scale.
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All a right winger has to do is look back on the eviction of your failed harvard economics team in the failed kenyan regime, it simply adds up = STOOOPID.
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Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
All a right winger has to do is look back on the eviction of your failed harvard economics team in the failed kenyan regime, it simply adds up = STOOOPID.
Wrong thread, dolt.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
I believe it.

The debasement of conservatives in this country through the propaganda of plutocracy is nothing short of a national tragedy. They have literally taught you to embrace lies on a wholesale scale.
Your describing the kenyan regime, and Holder should go to prison, a very dirty and dank prison.
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Old 06-12-2012, 15:11   #11
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well Imposter, if you insist on derailing bmcgilvray's thread .....

Now that it's become obvious that Issa, Cornyn, et al are playing a cynical election year political game, it's unlikely Holder will ever be held to account for any wrongdoing, if such even occurred.

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Back on topic, the real lesson of China's environmental catastrophe is that when democracy is suppressed, the corrupt will pollute with impunity. Occam's razor.

Polluters like the Koch brothers go to any extreme to suppress democracy in this country too, for the same reason. When the people cannot hold polluters accountable, when politicians and judges can be bought off, as is done openly now, polluters have no incentive to control their pollution. That is increasingly the reality in this country, just as it has been in China for over two decades.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Now that it's become obvious that Issa, Cornyn, et al are playing a cynical election year political game, it's unlikely Holder will ever be held to account for any wrongdoing, if such even occurred.
I'm planning a trip to China, I'll decide what the environment is or is not while I'm there, you sit down, shut up, and wait for your next welfare check to arrive.
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you're such a fraud

You gonna take air filters or buy them there?

You gonna drink the tap water?

Eat what the locals eat?

How long are you going to breathe factory air while there, Imposter?
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All of the above plus I'm going to get some fine asian ass too.
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I would say I hope when you realize first-hand what pollution is doing to that beautiful country that you would snap out of your idiotic stupor, but you're a sociopath. You already know how bad it is, you just don't care. People are just objects to you, to be abused and used up.
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"...what pollution is doing to that beautiful country..."

And you think the environment is abused here in the "land of the free." You acknowledge that pollution is rife in China, a nation where government has control and zero incentive to go green.
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Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
And you think the environment is abused here in the "land of the free."
It certainly is.

Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
You acknowledge that pollution is rife in China
Of course.

Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
a nation where government has control and zero incentive to go green.
A nation in which democracy is thwarted, just as corporatists, plutocrats and Republicans thwart democracy in this country. Same purpose, same end.

When the people are deprived of the means to resist the depredations of polluters, the polluters have zero incentive to go green.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
It certainly is.


Of course.


A nation in which democracy is thwarted, just as corporatists, plutocrats and Republicans thwart democracy in this country. Same purpose, same end.

When the people are deprived of the means to resist the depredations of polluters, the polluters have zero incentive to go green.
Then why is america so nice and clean.
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Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
Then why is america so nice and clean.
It's not. You pollute, you're ignorant, and you lie. You are the problem.

People like you spread falsehoods. Here is an example of someone believing such a falsehood:
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In the Chesapeake bay, they are expecting a better crab harvest this year than they've seen in over a decade, and its because of proper environmental action and cleaner practices, as well as limiting the yearly crab harvest.
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The ''ecofreaks'' are right. Polluters are poisoning us all.

But that is not true.

Report: Chesapeake Bay pollution at critical condition, threatens tourism | WTVR.com

That's not an isolated case at all. Most of this country is badly polluted in one or multiple ways. Ecosystems which supported human life and then civilizations for thousands of years are collapsing all around the world.

You typify those most at fault, Imposter, because you deny the reality that is in front of you and you lie and lie and lie about it.
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And it always comes down this:
Conservationists say


All you have is your silly google search engine to scrape up any little anti capitalist eco-fear mongering article you can find.
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Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
You see, they already have the control that they desire over their population. So they (rightly) tell the stupid European Union to take a flying leap.

China could impound European planes in carbon row | Reuters

There are hidden truths found within such stories. Environmentalism is only popular where governments want ever more control. Like Europe. Like the USA. China doesn't need the stalking horse of environmentalism which is neither popular nor practiced by totalitarian regimes. Here, it's needed in order to amass control.

"China will take swift counter-measures that could include impounding European aircraft if the European Union punishes Chinese airlines for non-compliance with a scheme to curb carbon emissions, the China Air Transport Association said on Tuesday."


We don't need environmentalism either.
It's all a big hoax and china see's right through it.
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I have to laugh my ass off at this thread.

1) China is smarter than to get caught up in EcoFreak agendas like Carbon Taxes, or trades.

2) While China does have some extremely polluted cities and rivers, it will clean up as the citizens there demand it. Not "ecofreaks" like here, but people that just want clean air and water, just what drove the USA to clean up it's air and water in the 70's and 80's.

Today, the EcoFreaks in the left, have pushed beyond what's needed, and in places like the EU, it's become a political money source, a great source of taxes that idiot socialists can spend on whatever they deem more important than the free market. (And it's one of the reasons why many countries in the EU are broke.)


EcoFreak socialism will not be any better than socialism. It's worse, since the idea that EcoFreak thinking is earth friendly is widely sold/taught.

ON the topic of aircraft, I hope the EU steps on it's collective prick. That's just more Boeing Commercial Aircraft that will be sold to the Chinese, and more jobs/money into the US economy over the next 10 years. The article says 14 billion in new orders are being held up. That's 14 billion that will flow into the South Carolina economy, where Boeing can now build union free and better since they no longer have the Puget Sound Liberals/EcoFreaks/Socialists to deal with on a larger and larger percentage of their planes.

Mark my words, as a guy who's family has been involved with Boeing for many decades, Boeing will ultimately remove themselves from the Liberal run Puget Sound idiots and their high taxes/costs/unions.

Just like China will poke the EU in the eyeball if the EU does not wise up, and end this carbon trading nonsense that is NOTHING MORE THAN JUST A WAY TO COLLECT MORE TAXES.

It does not clean up the air.
It does not stop global warming.

It just taxes the citizens in a new, and creative way.
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Like Imposter's, your posts are fiction, Adjuster, a proven fraud.

U.S. has greatest CO2 reduction
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Yes, after being part of Boeing since the 70's, I know nothing of that company...

Let's see.. they moved corporate headquarters from the Puget Sound, to Chicago about a decade ago...

They have moved production from the Puget Sound every chance they get, most notable is the move to SC for the Dreamliner/787.... the Unions, and Idiots in DC, resisted this free market move, and nearly pushed Boeing to go out of the country in reality.

How much longer do you think Boeing is going to build planes in expensive markets? (Especially when the buyers in China and Japan now want to build them there? Cheaper? non-union cheaper?)

Hello idiots in DC, your time is limited, as the American People wake up, and realize what fools folks like FoSoWrong have voted into power, and how their failed policies have crippled our country and economy.
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