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Whacka, whacka, whacka.. and to think you think I'm being serious... whacka, whacka, whacka...
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I know for a fact you have a serious innumeracy problem, Adjuster.
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No, not many of the regulars. It's actually pretty much just one in particular. Anyone want to guess who that might be?
Liberals try to legislate Love and respect between the various races. The one thing liberals can't or won't understand is, is that love, respect and morality can't be legislated. But they keep trying...

They won't look at the facts which prove that it is the minority groups, that cause the most of the crime, which causes the other people, mostly the white victims, to not trust them, or like them.

If I had my way, any person perpetrating a crime on a person of another race, regardless of the races involved, that crime would be prosecuted as a hate crime.

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The untold amount of blood, sweat and tears that were shed in the 1960s to put the Voting Rights Act of 1965 on the books is clear testimony to the fact that millions of Americans, especially Black Americans, consider the right to vote as a defining aspect of citizenship.
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Now African Americans are faced with another voting rights hurdle after they broke voter turnout records in 2008 from Maine to California in their push to elect Barack Obama the first Black president of the nation.

This new hurdle is the 2012 Voter Suppression Campaign being waged by the Republican Party through its right wing surrogates, the Tea Party, ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council) and the National Center for Public Policy Research.

All of these right wing groups are being funded by billionaires like the Koch Brothers and think tanks like the Heritage Foundation.

Many African Americana of age have long memories of the voter suppression efforts they suffered in the South prior to the enactment of the Voting Rights Act and the struggles they endured to bring it about.
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Voter suppression is defined as practices either codified in law or embedded in tradition.

It is designed to influence the outcome of elections by controlling the number of people voting, preventing some people from voting, and thereby predetermining the direction of the votes being cast.

The sponsors of the legislation that promote voter suppression claim that they are doing it to stop widespread voter fraud. Clearly, voter fraud is present in the American electoral system, however, 99.9 percent of that fraud is committed by election officials and personnel rather than by voters.

We have seen clear evidence of this reality in Chicago and Cook County in the manipulation of elections by politicians, both Democrats and Republicans.

In fact, the Republicans’ favorite voter counting machine company, Diebold, has had its machine’s computer programs tested by experts at Harvard, Yale, and MIT and all have concluded that the Diebold machines can be manipulated to predetermine the results of an election.

Thus, it is clear that if these groups were truly concerned about stamping out fraud in elections they would have passed legislation that would address the real fraud that occurs at the front end of the election process rather than concentrating on voters, where it has been proven in countless studies that voter fraud at the ballot box is less than one percent.

ALEC and its supporters are interested in voter suppression of Blacks and other minorities rather than eliminating the real fraud.

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The Brennan Center for Justice and the Center for American Progress have documented the strategies that are being put into law in more than 30 states to date. They are as follows:

• Photo ID Laws –This is by far the most fundamental strategy prescribed by ALEC and adopted by most of the state legislatures. They require voters to show a photo ID that has been issued by the state DMV before being allowed to cast their vote.

This requirement places a severe hardship on low income, rural voters in particular because many do not have transportation to the DMV facilities if they do not have a valid driver’s license, and/or some may not have birth certificates, which are required for the issuance of a photo ID.

In the state of Wisconsin, Governor Scott Walker closed down many DMV facilities in Black and Hispanic neighborhoods after the photo ID legislation passed in order to guarantee the restriction of Black and Hispanic voters’ ability to acquire these documents.

• Ex-Offender Bans – The most blatant practice of banning ex-offenders from voting was put into practice by the state of Florida in the 2000 election and contributed to the election of George W. Bush for president. This law is still enforced in Florida and has been expanded to other states under Republican control.

• Inhibiting Voter Registration – ALEC has prescribed schemes to inhibit voter registration, restricting absentee voting and early voting, after they accused ACORN of massive fraud in their voter registration and get-out-the-vote activities for Barack Obama in the 2008 election.
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• Purging Programs – The citizens of Chicago and Cook County are familiar with the practice of the purging of voter rolls by machine Democrats and anti-Black groups; now this practice has been taken to a higher level by states like Florida and Louisiana. These states concentrate their purges in African-American communities and strike thousands of legitimate voters from the rolls as a matter of course.

• Voter Intimidation – The practice of voter intimidation includes deceptive practices (misleading robocalls and mailings), and voter caging (sending mail to voters that is likely to be returned and striking them from the rolls).
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• Deceptive Practices – Some would say that the deceptive practices being instituted by Republicans around the country may have been borrowed from the Cook County Democratic Machine at its heyday in the 1950s and ‘60s. These tactics include using the phone, mail and now the Internet to deceive African-American and Hispanic voters into believing that they are ineligible to vote because of some violation of law or a change in the address of the polling place.
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A recent report from the Center for American Progress stated that, “’11 percent of American citizens do not possess a government-issued photo ID (over 21 million citizens). Three of the photo ID bills to have passed – in South Carolina, Texas, and Tennessee – expressly do not allow students to use photo IDs issued by state educational institutions to vote, and Wisconsin’s bill effectively excludes most student IDs as well.

“Around three million Americans tried to vote in the 2008 presidential election but could not, due to voter registration problems. As many as 25 percent of African Americans do not possess a current and valid form of government issued photo ID, compared to 11 percent of all races.’”

In that same report, Florida, Texas, Tennessee, Wisconsin, and Kansas were cited as the worst states for voting rights violations in 2011.
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A lot of left wing drivel.
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Originally Posted by woodstock View Post
A lot of left wing drivel.
Truth that you can't handle because it exposes the Republican Koch, ALEC, et al voter suppression system for the fraud it is.

Go ahead. Try to dispute the details. I don't think you will, because the facts are not on your side.
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Another lie in which free the south west has been caught in. You can't name me one single person who has been suppressed from voting because of the Florida law, instead you google more leftwing BS that amounts to nothing but lies.

So tell me who was """"""""""""suppressed""""""""""""" ?
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Originally Posted by woodstock View Post
A lot of left wing drivel.
And from a randomly googled site called: NDG OGD $#%.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Truth that you can't handle because it exposes the Republican Koch, ALEC, et al voter suppression system for the fraud it is.

Go ahead. Try to dispute the details. I don't think you will, because the facts are not on your side.
Who's truth freesw? Your twisted perception of the truth means nothing to any thinking human being.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
They're wasted on you perhaps. Fact is, a bunch of you claimed early on in this thread that there is "no reason" for it. You were adamant about that. No one's supposed to talk about these dirty open secrets. Well now that I've shown you there is plenty reason for it, you suddenly decide to ignore the evidence (as you usually do) and try to change the subject.

Fact also is, this thread is particularly timely because of the renewed Republican suppression of qualified black voters in many states, and on this forum because of the absurd amount of posts on the Zimmerman-Martin case.

The volume of ignorance and prejudice displayed in many of these threads required some balance, a corrective if you will.

What if Zimmerman walks free?
If Zimmermans name was Gonzales, would this be a big story?
Dershowitz: Drop George Zimmerman’s murder charge
Blacks Can Murder Whites, and It Won’t Make National News
George Zimmerman had multiple injuries after Trayvon Martin's fatal shooting
The Trayvon Rally in Terms Everyone Can Understand
100 black teens beat white couple and nobody cares
If You Talk Honestly About Race
What a Difference 4 Years Can Make
A little background on George Zimmerman
Love kids gunned down!
The Race War is here!
Justice For Trayvon! It's Black Racism again.
Photo of Zimmerman's head
seeds of hate
Notice how the original mugshot of Zimmerman has been "lightened'?
http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/news-...on-martin.html
Were there really any racial insults used by Zimmerman in his 911 call?
Here we go, Stand Your Ground Law under fire.....
Black Panther leader Malik Shabazz "burn Detroit down"
UN Demands Reparations
Black panthers: Race war for trayvon april 9th 'day of action'
http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/news-...talingrad.html
Obama and Trayvon Martin: Stalingrad
Other self defense shootings drawing parallels to Trayvon Martin's
Media releases new photos of Trayvon Zimmerman
Lawmakers target gun laws, neighborhood watch in wake of Florida teen shooting
NBC edits Zimmerman 911 call
Al Sharpton: Civil disobedience will escalate if Zimmerman remains free
Is Zimmerman's guilt really the issue?
Another classy theatrical Democrat
Couple finds attorneys after black panther terror
The chickens are coming home to roost...
T-Shirt Hits Florida Streets In Wake Of Trayvon Martin Killing
Black Panthers hope to collect $1 million to up bounty on Zimmerman
Wrong Zimmerman
Black Panther leader arrested as group sets bounty in Florida shooting
Neighborhood watch leader shoots unarmed teen.
Black Panthers offer $10,000 reward for capture of FL shooter
And my own thread, which I posted in response to the constant barrage of prejudice in this case:
Why is anyone still trying to smear Trayvon Martin?

This reaction to this case was like a methane eruption of racial prejudice here. It was here all along, but an effort to get to the truth of a shooting set it off.
First off thanks for taking the time to make a nice little racial index of threads! You have missed the point of the vast majority of these treads. Many expose the double standard that exists when it comes to race. They are not based on hatred and racism but instead it is a culmination of individuals being fed up with this double standard and the race card treatment that a vast majority of this country uses to get it's way. It is ironic that you would use these as examples of "eruption of racial prejudice" when that is what the majority of these threads are against. These threads aren't racist, they are anti racism, and they point out that blacks and whites are not scrutinized the same way in this country. And when people get upset about that, it is racism? What can white people say about race without being labeled a racist these days?

The whole Trayvon Zimmerman case is only a nationally celebrated case because of the jolt of hate speech and propaganda it received from the circus clowns who sought to profit from the aftermath. It is ok for NBP, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc to rile up and incite the black community to boycott white business', capture an innocent man dead or alive, and threaten to riot and loot if they don't get their way? I am surprised you don't see the irony and the double standard that exists in all of this.

Bottom line is that none of us made this case the media spectacle that it has become, we just reacted to it. While the vast majority of the country was drinking the media cool aid many on this forum remained skeptical, and for good reason. The fact of the matter is that this case should have never received the scrutiny or coverage that it did, and we are not responsible for that. I am bilingual, live in a bi-racial family, and my son is mixed race. Race is not a issue to me, or most anyone I know (or to most hispanics for that matter), but it appears to be a focal issue to the black community. The majority of racial tension derives from their false perception of persecution and prejudice that supposedly exists in this country, and the liberal media and people like you only encourage it by starting threads like this one. Give it a rest, you are not earning ideological brownie points with anyone at this point, and there is no battle to be won.
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Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
Another lie in which free the south west has been caught in. You can't name me one single person who has been suppressed from voting because of the Florida law, instead you google more leftwing BS that amounts to nothing but lies.

So tell me who was """"""""""""suppressed""""""""""""" ?
Here you go Imposter

March 22, 2012

Supporters of Voter ID laws routinely justify them by claiming they are necessary to combat an epidemic of people showing up at the polls and claiming to be someone else. And yet, when asked to prove that such an epidemic exists, their case immediately falls apart. When the Supreme Court abdicated its responsibility to strike down these unconstitutional assaults on the franchise four years ago, it was only able to cite one actual example of voter fraud in the last 140 years.

The laws’ opponents, however, do not have this problem. Here are just nine examples of the kinds of people being denied voting rights by Voter ID laws:

Ricky Tyrone Lewis is a 58 year-old Marine Corps veteran. Despite the fact that he was able to offer Wisconsin voting officials proof of his honorable discharge from the Marines, Milwaukee County has been unable to find the record of his birth that he needs in order to obtain a voter ID card.

Ruthelle Frank is an 84 year-old former elected official who voted in every election for the last 63 years, yet she will be unable to obtain a voter ID unless she pays a fee to obtain a birth certificate from the Wisconsin government — despite the fact that the Constitution explicitly forbids any voter from being charged a fee in order to vote. Worse, because the attending physician at her birth misspelled her name on her original birth certificate, she may need to pay hundreds of dollars in court fees to petition the state judiciary to correct her certificate before she can obtain a voter ID.

Paul Carroll is an 86-year-old World War II veteran who has lived in the same Ohio town for four decades. Yet, when he attempted to vote in the recent Ohio primary, he was told his photo ID from the Department of Veterans Affairs was not good enough because it did not include his address.

Dorothy Cooper is a 96-year-old African-American woman who says she has voted in every election but one since she became eligible to vote. Yet, when she attempted to obtain a voter ID, she was turned away because she did not have a copy of her marriage license. In a subsequent interview, Cooper said that she didn’t even have problems voting in Tennessee “during Jim Crow days” — only now under Voter ID.

Thelma Mitchell is a 93-year-old woman who cleaned the Tennessee Capitol for 30 years. She never received a birth certificate, however, because she was delivered by a midwife in Alabama in 1918 and there was no record of her birth. When she attempted to obtain a voter ID, she was turned away for lack of a birth certificate by a clerk who suggested she could be an illegal immigrant.

Virginia Lasater is a 91-year-old woman who has been active in political campaigns for 70 years. Because of her advanced age, however, she is no longer able to stand for extended periods of time. When she attempted to obtain a voter ID, she was confronted with lines that stretched for several hours and no place to sit while she waited — forcing her to abandon her effort to obtain an ID due to her physical constraints.

Darwin Spinks is an 86 year-old World War II veteran. He was told to pay a fee before he could obtain a voter ID in Tennessee, despite the fact that charging someone to vote is unconstitutional.

Rita Platt is a Wisconsin resident who was turned away from her attempt to obtain a voter ID because she required either a birth certificate or a passport to obtain one — both of which can only be obtained if the voter pays a fee. Worse, in Wisconsin, voters must fill out a misleading form which suggests that they cannot obtain the birth certificate they need to obtain a photo ID unless they already have a photo ID.

Jessica Cohen is a Texas resident who lost her license and other identification papers in a burglary. She now must also pay an unconstitutional fee in order to obtain the birth certificate she needs to obtain a new voter ID. Because Cohen lives in Texas, she will likely be able to vote in 2012 because the Department of Justice blocked Texas’ law under the Voting Rights Act — although there is a high risk that the Supreme Court’s conservatives will declare the Voting Rights Act unconstitutional.
REPORT: Nine People Denied Voting Rights By Voter ID Laws | ThinkProgress

you chronically lying racist.
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Here you go Imposter


REPORT: Nine People Denied Voting Rights By Voter ID Laws | ThinkProgress

you chronically lying racist.
Now that's a hoot, nine people who can't come up with birth certificates, and from another googled leftwing nut site, "think progress"

So this law really hasn't stopped anyone from voting except people who can't even prove they live here, AAAAAAHHHHH HAHAHAHA sounds like "kenyan syndrome to me

I say we keep this new law and keep purging!
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Oh and, I did say people affected by the recent Florida law, not a mythical list from a liberal web site.
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Seeing as how the 2012 election hasn't occurred yet, that would be impossible, Imposter.

But past Florida voter suppression is well-documented.

Chapter 2: First-Hand Accounts of Voter Disenfranchisement

With your attitude towards people I don't know how anyone can keep piling on the bad karma the way you do, Imposter. Your debt has reached prodigious proportions.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Seeing as how the 2012 election hasn't occurred yet, that would be impossible, Imposter.

But past Florida voter suppression is well-documented.

Chapter 2: First-Hand Accounts of Voter Disenfranchisement

With your attitude towards people I don't know how anyone can keep piling on the bad karma the way you do, Imposter. Your debt has reached prodigious proportions.
Because they can't even prove where they live, we need voter ID now!

Hey, see if you can google another 10 people from the vast past who should't be voting.
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Very funny Imposter.

Ricky Tyrone Lewis is a 58 year-old Marine Corps veteran. Despite the fact that he was able to offer Wisconsin voting officials proof of his honorable discharge from the Marines, Milwaukee County has been unable to find the record of his birth that he needs in order to obtain a voter ID card.
...

Paul Carroll is an 86-year-old World War II veteran who has lived in the same Ohio town for four decades. Yet, when he attempted to vote in the recent Ohio primary, he was told his photo ID from the Department of Veterans Affairs was not good enough because it did not include his address.
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Thelma Mitchell is a 93-year-old woman who cleaned the Tennessee Capitol for 30 years. She never received a birth certificate, however, because she was delivered by a midwife in Alabama in 1918 and there was no record of her birth. When she attempted to obtain a voter ID, she was turned away for lack of a birth certificate by a clerk who suggested she could be an illegal immigrant.

Rita Platt is a Wisconsin resident who was turned away from her attempt to obtain a voter ID because she required either a birth certificate or a passport to obtain one — both of which can only be obtained if the voter pays a fee. Worse, in Wisconsin, voters must fill out a misleading form which suggests that they cannot obtain the birth certificate they need to obtain a photo ID unless they already have a photo ID.

Darwin Spinks is an 86 year-old World War II veteran. He was told to pay a fee before he could obtain a voter ID in Tennessee, despite the fact that charging someone to vote is unconstitutional.
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Voting Irregularities in Florida During the 2000 Presidential Election

First-Hand Accounts of Voter Disenfranchisement

Who are to be the electors of the Federal Representatives? Not the rich more than the poor; not the learned more than the ignorant; not the haughty heirs of distinguished names, more than the humble sons of obscure and unpropitious fortune. The electors are to be the great body of the people of the United States.[1]

On November 7, 2000, millions of Florida voters arrived at their designated polling places to cast their votes. Unfortunately, countless voters were denied the opportunity to vote because their names did not appear on the lists of registered voters.[2] When poll workers attempted to call the supervisors of elections offices to verify voter registration status, they were often met with continuous busy signals or no answer.[3] In accordance with their training, most poll workers refused to permit persons to vote whose names did not appear on the rolls at their precinct. Thus, numerous Floridians were turned away from the polls on Election Day without being allowed to vote and with no opportunity to appeal the poll workers’ refusal. The following are a few examples of experiences that Floridians had who were turned away from their polling places.

Citizens Who Were Not Permitted to Vote

Cathy Jackson, an African American woman, has been a registered voter in Broward County since 1996. Upon registering in Broward County, Ms. Jackson was told that if she ever experienced a problem with her voter registration card, she would be allowed to vote if she could produce a valid driver’s license. Ms. Jackson voted in Broward without any incident using her driver’s license since 1996. However, when she went to her polling place, Precinct 52Z, on November 7, 2000, she was told that her name was not on the list. The poll workers suggested that she travel back to her old precinct in Miami-Dade County to vote. Ms. Jackson did as she was advised even though she had voted in Broward County since she moved from Miami-Dade County in 1996. After waiting 45 minutes at her old precinct, the poll workers in Miami-Dade told Ms. Jackson that her name was not on the rolls and referred her back to Broward to vote.

When Ms. Jackson returned to the Broward precinct, the poll workers advised her to wait while they checked her registration status. While she waited, Ms. Jackson observed a poll worker from another precinct within the same polling place allow an elderly white voter, whose name did not appear on the rolls, to fill out an affidavit and vote. When Ms. Jackson asked if she could do the same, the poll workers explained that she could fill out an affidavit, but that she could not vote until they had verified her registration. The phone lines to the supervisor of elections office, however, remained busy for several hours. Ms. Jackson became upset and eventually left to go to work. Undeterred by these delays, Ms. Jackson returned to her precinct after work to try to vote again, but the poll workers were never able to verify her registration status and refused to allow her to vote.[4]

Donnise DeSouza, an African American, has been registered to vote since 1982 in Miami-Dade County. When she entered the Richmond Fire Station in Miami-Dade County at 6:50 p.m. and showed her identification to the poll worker, Ms. DeSouza was told that her name was not on the rolls. The poll worker directed her to the “problem line,” so that her registration status could be verified with the supervisor of elections office. Ms. DeSouza recalled that the line of about 15 people did not move, but at 7 p.m. when the poll began to close, a poll worker announced to the group “if our name was not on the roll that she could not let us vote and that there was nothing she could do.” The poll workers stopped their attempts to verify the registration status of the voters who had been standing in line. When Ms. DeSouza asked if there was an absentee ballot that would allow her to cast her vote, the poll worker explained that there was nothing he could do.

Ms. DeSouza testified to the Commission that she was “very agitated” and the next day began to register complaints with various sources about her experience. Upon further investigation with the office of the supervisor of elections, she discovered that the poll workers should have continued their efforts to resolve the problems of those voters who were in the precinct prior to the 7 p.m. closing time. Furthermore, Ms. DeSouza learned that her name was actually on the rolls of registered voters, because subsequently a worker at the elections office showed her the sheet that contained her name where she should have been allowed to sign. But Ms. DeSouza explained, “at that point [the election was over so] there was nothing they could do and I was deprived of my right to vote.”[5]

Angenora Ramsey, an African American former poll worker with 18 years’ experience, had changed her address prior to November 7. Based on her familiarity with election procedures, when Ms. Ramsey went to vote at Precinct 62 in Palm Beach County, she completed a change of address affidavit. But when the poll worker tried to call the office of the supervisor of elections to verify Ms. Ramsey’s registration status, she was unable to get through. According to Ms. Ramsey, the phone lines remained busy for three and a half hours—a delay she had never experienced during her time as a poll worker. Ultimately, the poll workers refused to allow her to vote because they could not verify her voter status.[6]

Margarita Green, a 75-year-old Cuban American woman, went to vote at the same precinct in Miami-Dade County where she had always voted since becoming a citizen in 1966. When Mrs. Green showed her registration card to the poll worker, she was told that her name was not on the rolls and that she must speak with another poll worker who would look into the problem. Mrs. Green recalled that it took a long time for the poll worker to reach the supervisor of elections because the phone line was busy. When she finally got through, the worker explained that according to their records Mrs. Green had called in 1998 and “erased” herself from the voter list. Although Mrs. Green insisted that she had not called and showed the poll worker her registration card, the poll worker refused to allow her to vote.[7]

R. Jai Howard, vice president of the Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University Student Government Association, testified on behalf of more than 12,000 predominantly African American students. She described the massive voter registration efforts that took place at the school in the months preceding the November 2000 election. The association’s efforts continued until October 10, 2000 (the last day to register before the election) and included a rally in which Reverend Jesse Jackson and Ion Sancho, the Leon County supervisor of elections, participated. Despite its efforts, the Student Government Association learned in the days following the election that large numbers of students had problems voting, “including one student who had two voter registration cards with two different precincts, some students who received no voter registration cards, switching of precincts without prior notification, misinformation at precincts, and students who had attempted to register numerous times and never received registration [cards] and were never entered into the system.” As a result of these combined problems, many students who believed they had been properly registered were not allowed to vote.[8]

Poll Workers Confirm Widespread Voter Disenfranchisement

The experiences of these Floridians who were denied their opportunity to vote were corroborated by poll workers who testified at the Commission hearing in Miami. Many poll workers attempted to follow the procedures they had been taught in their training, such as verifying voter registration with the supervisor of elections, but their efforts were largely futile because of the inadequacies and obstacles they faced throughout the voting system.

Marilyn Nelson, a poll worker with 15 years of experience in Miami-Dade County, testified, “By far this was the worst election I have ever experienced. After that election I decided I didn’t want to work as a clerk anymore.” At North Dade Elementary School, Precinct 232, she observed several voters who had presented their voter registration cards showing they were properly registered, but the poll workers did not allow them to vote because their names did not appear on the rolls. Ms. Nelson also saw voters with their “orange cards,” which meant that the voter had registered on time and should be allowed to vote, provided that the poll worker could verify the voter’s registration status with the supervisor of elections office. Many of these voters, however, were not permitted to vote because the poll workers could not get through on the phone line to the supervisor’s office.[9]

Maria DeSoto, a poll worker in Palm Beach County, testified that she used her personal cellular phone to call the supervisor of elections office all day, but was only able to get through two or three times over the course of 12 hours. Ms. DeSoto added that if voters’ names did not appear on the rolls, they were not allowed to vote, even if they presented valid identification.[10]

Barbara Phoele, a poll worker in Broward County at Precinct 6C, observed mostly African American and Hispanic voters being turned away because their names did not appear on the rolls. The precinct clerk at her site was unable to get through to the central election office to give affidavits to those voters whose names did not appear. According to Ms. Phoele, the clerk did not communicate with the voters and did nothing to encourage them to vote. In fact, Ms. Phoele noticed later that afternoon that the sign informing voters where they should call if they experienced problems had never been posted. She brought this to the attention of the precinct clerk who explained, “I didn’t have time to put it up.” Ms. Phoele recalled that in past elections it took only about 10 minutes to reach the elections supervisor, but on November 7, 2000, she turned away approximately 40 or 50 people because she could not access the supervisor of elections.[11]

Marvin Rickles, Jr., a deputy at Precinct 74B in Palm Beach County, observed an African American school principal turned away, after waiting for two hours, because her name did not appear on the rolls and poll workers could not reach the supervisor of elections office. She returned to the precinct later that afternoon and was allowed to vote only after she discovered that her name had been misspelled on the rolls.[12]

Millard Suid, a poll worker at the Water Works Department in Boynton Beach, testified he was not able to get through to the office of the supervisor of elections. He recalled helping only one voter over the course of about eight hours. Mr. Suid stated that the precinct deputy estimated that poll workers “[m]ust have turned away maybe 30 or 50 people that could not vote.”[13]

Randall Benston worked as an area chair overseeing three precincts in Broward County. Mr. Benston observed poll workers who were unaware that voters not on the rolls were allowed to fill out affidavits and vote. He eventually persuaded the poll workers to allow voters to fill out affidavits in accordance with Florida election law.[14]

POLLING PLACES CLOSED OR EARLY OR MOVED WITHOUT NOTICE

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Polling Places Closed Early

When Lavonna Lewis, an African American first-time voter, went to her polling place to vote, she was told by a white poll worker standing outside that the poll was closed. As she turned to leave, the poll worker allowed a white gentleman to walk in and get in line to vote.[17]

Donnise DeSouza arrived at her assigned precinct at 6:30 p.m., but she could not enter until 6:50 p.m., due to the long line of cars parked on the street waiting to gain access to the polling place. Once Ms. DeSouza was finally able to enter the polling place, she waited for another 10 minutes while poll workers verified her registration status. At 7 p.m., however, the poll workers announced to Ms. DeSouza and about 15 other voters who were waiting to be helped that they could not vote because the poll was closed.[18]

Susan and Joel Newman arrived at the Water Works Department in Palm Beach to vote at approximately 6:15 p.m. Upon their arrival, they noticed:

[T]he iron gates at the entrance were closed, preventing entrance . . . Several cars pulled into the entrance lane and tried to attract attention by honking horns and ringing an intercom. We waited 5–10 minutes but no one showed up and the gates remained locked. We drove off thinking we were wrong about the closing time—that the polls must have closed at 6:00. A few blocks away we spotted a police car and pulled up to check. He verified that the polls were open until 7:00. We complained about the situation we had just experienced and he told us to go to the Board of Elections (some 20 minutes away). We drove there and met a policeman as we entered the building. He listened to our complaint and politely told us there was nothing he could do. We would have to register our complaint with the [supervisor] of elections, Theresa LePore. Unfortunately, he told us her office had closed at 5 p.m. and her staff went home [and] we would have to complain the following day. We left, realizing that we would have no opportunity to vote this year.[19]

Millard Suid, a poll worker at the Water Works Department on John Road in Boynton Beach, confirmed the above poll closing. He explained that the gates to the property are on an automatic timer that shuts them every day at 6:15 p.m. When the automatic timer shut the gates at 6:15 p.m. on Election Day, however, Mr. Suid stated, “It was a disaster. The people at the Water Works Department should have known about it or the people, Theresa LePore, who runs that particular district, should have known about that.” When asked if he called the supervisor of elections to report that the gates had closed, Mr. Suid testified, “That wouldn’t do any good, couldn’t get in. I had called 911 and told the police. Now there was a young lady at the Water Works Department who worked there all day and she left at like 5:30 and she said, ‘I’ll be back at 7:30 to lock up.’ Now she should have known this gate’s going to lock automatically. . . . That wasn’t the first time they used that. So somebody screwed up.”[20]

Robert Weisman, the county administrator for Palm Beach County, stated in a response to an interrogatory issued by the Commission after the February 16, 2001, hearing, that he did not know about the gate-closing incident until the Commission hearing. He further acknowledged that a subsequent investigation by representatives of the supervisor of elections office determined that the gate indeed had closed. Mr. Weisman did not dispute that the automatic locking of the gate blocked access to the Palm Beach County polling place before the official closing.[21]

Polling Places Moved Without Notice

If a supervisor of elections determines that a polling place must be moved, the supervisor must “not more than 30 days or fewer than seven days prior to the holding of an election, give notice of the change.”[22] Such notice is to be published in a newspaper of general circulation within the county, and notices must be mailed to each registered voter at least 14 days prior to the election.[23] In case of an emergency, the supervisor of elections must post a notice at the old polling place advising voters of the new location.[24] Regardless of the reasons for the change, the new polling place must be accessible to all voters and conspicuously identified by a sign. On November 7, 2000, however, these requirements of Florida election law were not strictly followed.[25]

Felix Boyle, a registered voter in Miami-Dade County, described his polling place as a “medieval labyrinth.” There were “sulfuric odors from standing water, orange cones, barriers, deep pits, broken concrete. It was a real problem getting there.” Although Mr. Boyle’s polling place during the primary was very busy, the new location was “deserted” on November 7, 2000. He surmised that the appearance of the site might have resulted in fewer people voting there on Election Day.[26]
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Florida has provisional ballots to cover problems like these.
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I especially enjoyed the one about the 91 year old woman who couldn't stand in line. Cry me a river. This is becoming foolish. Sure everyone has a right to vote but that doesn't guarantee that they meet the criteria. That would be like saying that Joe Schmo was going to vote but got into a car accident that caused him to be hospitalized and ultimately miss his opportunity. Who are going to hold responsible for all of these unfortunate excuses people have?

If it isn't one thing it's another when it comes to voting. The system will never appease everyone. First it's conspiracy theory on the electronic voting machines and the lack of a paper trail. Then its confusing ballots, especially for older voters. And now its the elusive voter ids and the steep costs to obtain them. I am sure many if not all of those individuals (the ones that exist) will file lawsuits against the state for hindering their ability to vote. Although they will probably have to obtain proper identification to be able to file the lawsuit first!
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Seeing as how the 2012 election hasn't occurred yet, that would be impossible, Imposter.

But past Florida voter suppression is well-documented.

Chapter 2: First-Hand Accounts of Voter Disenfranchisement

With your attitude towards people I don't know how anyone can keep piling on the bad karma the way you do, Imposter. Your debt has reached prodigious proportions.
Karma is Paganism you liberal retard...!

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Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
Show us the people/person who was "suppressed from voting?
Well, don't know what happened today on this thread... So here are 2 links that I came across.

Meet The 91-Year-Old WWII Veteran Targeted By Florida's Voter Purge
FL Official: Gov. Scott's Voter Purge Will Remove Eligible Voters

The first one is sad.
Bill Internicola is a 91-year-old, Brooklyn-born, World War II veteran. He fought in the Battle of the Bulge and received the Bronze Star for bravery. He’s voted in Florida for 14 years and never had a problem.

Three weeks ago, Bill received a letter from Broward County Florida stating “[Y]ou are not a U.S. Citizen” and therefore, ineligible to vote. He was given the option of requesting “a hearing with the Supervisor of Elections, for the purpose of providing proof that you are a United States citizens” or forfeit his right to vote.
The second one is ridiculous.
Here’s the letter Maureen Russo, a U.S. citizen and registered voter in Florida for the last 40 years, received two weeks ago:
The letter says: The Broward County Supervisor of Elections' Office has received information from the State of Florida that you are not a United States citizen; however you are registered to vote.

This is the letter that she received.
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Good grief. Florida has questions about a voter and asks the voter for more information and you lefties go crazy.

The voter rolls have a deadline for purging by law, that is the reason for the 30 days dead line.

Other than a passport or birth certificate, how is citizenship proved?
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Actually, the letter says "You will no longer be eligible to vote, until you can provide proof that you are a United States citizen".

Florida is not asking for more information. It's saying she will be denied the right to vote. Even though she has been voting in Florida for 40 years.
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Actually, the letter says "You will no longer be eligible to vote, until you can provide proof that you are a United States citizen".

Florida is not asking for more information. It's saying she will be denied the right to vote. Even though she has been voting in Florida for 40 years.
Then Florida has reason to believe she has been voting illegally for 40 years. The fact she has voted in the past does not make her a US citizen.

It also sounds as if she could have a problem with someone stealing her identy.
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Then Florida has reason to believe she has been voting illegally for 40 years. The fact she has voted in the past does not make her a US citizen.
And you know what? That explains so much about Florida.
But they did remain silent when she presented a copy of her passport.
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Identy theft could be the reason. Can't blame Florida for that.

A "copy" of a passport is NOT a passport.
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