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Old 04-09-2012, 20:23   #1
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Arrow Were there really any racial insults used by Zimmerman in his 911 call?

Unfortunately, I had to move from my last residence after 2.5 years, because my landlord decided to sell the home, or at east put it on the market, after being swindled by some "mold expert" into believing there is mold 'everywhere'.

Actually, I wasnt there when the 'expert' did the 'inspection', but I did ask my landlord to walk me around and point out the mold, after looking over the report left by the expert. Neither she nor I could find a single spot of mold anywhere, and other than in the powder room attached to the master bedroom upstairs, there is zero moisture anywhere in the house, and mold MUST have moisture to survive. Bottom line is, she tends to be gullible, and doesnt realize the 'expert' was exaggerating the situation in order to get her to pay lots of money for him to 'save the house' from mold. It was all BS. There isnt even an odor of mildew in the house for god's sake! But instead of fixing the non-existent problem, she decided to move out and sell the house, so out I went too!

Anyway, thats enough of my bellyaching for tonight!

So I'm now sharing a new house with another lady, who is even more politically misguided than the last. She is a 'Progressive', but she seems to have some reasonable positions on many issues.

The problem is, she gets all of her political info from MSNBC mostly, and watches a little CNN, but spends lots of time on the computer looking at Daily Kos, Mother Jones, etc. All far left-wing stuff, all the time. Thats because she doesnt work, because her mom gave her her home, and some money, so she stagnates her life away sitting around the house all day/all night(I did mention she was a Progressive, did I not?)

So when this Trayvon Martin story got hot right after I moved in a month ago, I had not been paying attention to the media, and she said that in the 911 call made by Zimmerman just before the shooting, he was using all sorts of racial slurs about Trayvon, something like: "I hate these Gooks, these N##gers are always causing trouble around here." I dont know the exact words, but it was definitely hard core racial slurs that he supposedly used during the call.

At first, I didnt realize my new landlord's sources, so I assumed the story might have been valid, but then I heard part of the tape on CNN, and there were no racial slurs used at all....... But I have not heard the entire 911 call, so I cant say for sure, but I'd bet that this claim of racial slurs being used by Zimmerman was complete BS! No doubt fabricated by one of her wonderful left wing sources like Daily Kos or Mother Jones, or even MSNBC...... She obviously believed it too.

So whats the truth here, I also just read another post about how MSNBC fired an unnamed producer for editing the 911 call for 'race-baiting effect'.

But if Zimmerman did use these racial slurs for real, like my landlord's sources claimed, you know darn well the rest of the mainstream media would be all over that bandwagon!
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Old 04-09-2012, 21:19   #2
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The story I heard on the news today was that when the 911 operator asked Zimmerman for a description he said "I think he may be black, I can't really tell, he's wearing a hoodie". Now if he wasn't even sure of the guy's race then how could he be making racial slurs. I also heard that what was reported as Zimmerman saying "f**king coons" was actually him saying f**king cold. It was something like 60 degrees and raining and that would be considered cold to anyone used to Florida weather. I just returned from that neck of the woods and my cousin griped because I turned his air down to 72 degrees. He said I was freezing him out of his own house.
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The 911 tape has no racial slurs on it at all.

There "was" some garbled stuff, but as noted, it's not "coons" but just a guy grousing that the "perp" was going to get away. (As Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon, who was hiding.)

He only found Trayvon again, when Trayvon confronted him on the sidewalk, said "Do you have a problem?"

George said "No."

Trayvon then said "Well, now you do" and punched him in the nose, knocking Zimmerman to the ground, then beating his head against the ground.

Zimmerman then shot his attacker at close range. (Most likely as Trayvon was on top of him, beating his head into the ground, put the pistol up against his chest, and fired.)

Trayvon died on one gunshot wound to the chest.

Need more?

A witness, who lives in one of the houses saw a guy in red, being beat up by a guy in a hoodie, who was on top of the guy in red, pounding his head into the sidewalk....

The witness says that the guy in read screamed for help, and the witness ran back into his own house, called 911, and then ran upstairs to see back outside. (In the meantime, heard the gunshot.)

When the witness looked outside, he saw the guy in red getting up/standing up, and the guy in the hoodie laying on the ground.

Self Defense Folks.

Florida law totally covers Zimmerman in this situation, and unless they change the law, or decide to ignore the law, I do not see a way that Florida can go after Zimmerman for defending himself.

It does not mean bumpkiss that Trayvon was only 17, and unarmed.

He attacked a guy, and he got his ticket punched for it.

Pretty dumb if you ask me.

But then again, if you look past the angelic photos of Trayvon when he was in his early teens, and look at his current photos at 17?

He looks like a gangbanger/punk. And there in is the problem. Trayvon was a punk/gangbanger who was on his 3rd suspension from school, has a Father who's a drug dealer, and been arrested multiple times for fraud, running prostitutes etc.

This is not about racism, it's about poor parenting gone wild, driven by Progressive/liberal programs that have destroyed the family while promoting a life based on welfare and entitlements.

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As far as I'm concerned, as soon as Martin started slamming Zimmerman's head onto the pavement, that bullet was bought and paid for.

He felt froggy, so he jumped. Into the wrong mud hole. Case closed.
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Lil Trayvon is sooo innocent and sweet. He basically attacked Zimmerman for following him. Who does that? Thats not a reason to attack and beat a person unless you know for sure he plans to do you harm. Lil Trayvon didnt know Zimmerman so that cant be the case. Once my head starts bouncing off the sidewalk Im in fear of losing my life at the hands of Lil Trayvon and in my heart and mind deadly force to stop him has just been authorized.

I saw on the news today that the special procecutor will not take the case to the grand jury so that rules out capital murder charges. I personally think with the laws being what they are he is innocent of any criminal wrong doing and no charges should be filed.
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Originally Posted by qwman68 View Post
Lil Trayvon is sooo innocent and sweet. He basically attacked Zimmerman for following him. Who does that? Thats not a reason to attack and beat a person unless you know for sure he plans to do you harm. Lil Trayvon didnt know Zimmerman so that cant be the case. Once my head starts bouncing off the sidewalk Im in fear of losing my life at the hands of Lil Trayvon and in my heart and mind deadly force to stop him has just been authorized.

I saw on the news today that the special procecutor will not take the case to the grand jury so that rules out capital murder charges. I personally think with the laws being what they are he is innocent of any criminal wrong doing and no charges should be filed.


^Right..........But, now the Dems, the media, Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson, and the left will DEMAND that the law be changed, so that thugs and felons will be protected from being injured or killed when they attack someone!

Great........
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Originally Posted by qwman68 View Post
He basically attacked Zimmerman for following him. Who does that?
Someone paranoid on drugs.

Originally Posted by qwman68 View Post
Thats not a reason to attack and beat a person unless you know for sure he plans to do you harm.
This goes to parental failure. A seventeen year old should know not to confront a stalker if that were the case. Assume the worst about a stranger and let the Police handle the situation, there's a better chance you'll wake up tomorrow. Trayvon would likely still be alive today had he just gone home.
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Honestly who cares what he may have said before the altercation? If you think about it, it has nothing to do with the case because he stated that he "[thought] he is black". That proves that he didn't profile him based on race, he profiled him based on his appearance and his demeanor, which isn't a hate crime. He said that he thought he was on drugs, that he looked suspicious, and that he may be black. Everything that happened before the assault was neither here nor there and therefore has little effect on the possible charge Zimmerman could receive.

His family attorney and the media are beating this drum because they really don't have a chinaman's chance with a 1st or 2nd degree murder charge, so they are pushing for manslaughter/hate crime. If Zimmerman isn't charged with a crime to begin with then there can't be a hate crime charge.

This entire case doesn't hinge on whether he racially profiled Martin or not, and it really doesn't have a big effect on the initial charge. Going against a 911 operator's advise (not command) isn't against the law either. Look at the Joe Horn case back in 2007, he was told 12 times not to go outside and he was never charged. People are hung up on the possible racial slur because they have been conditioned to think that being racist is against the law. Actually you could argue that that idea or pushing tolerance on the country is fascist and it goes against your rights as a US citizen.
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I will be stunned and disappointed if there's not at least some kind of manslaughter charge brought. Whatever Zimmerman's motivations, he precipitated the conflict by following and confronting Trayvon Martin. And then he shot him. The shooting doesn't happen without Zimmerman's precipitating rash act, so a charge of SOME kind would seem both necessary and proper.
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This is another example of how the general public rationalize this case, and it highlights how little people understand the law. People have fixiated on the motivation of the encounter instead of the facts from actual witness testimony. Police procedural error (such as profiling) can negate a crime, or disqualify evidence, but it is often tough to prove. For example if a police officer stops you and searches your car without enough probable cause any contraband found could be deemed inadmissible, but that is an exception not the rule. If they find a dead body in the trunk then you are SOL. Same goes if you assault the officer who stopped you. Just because he may have racially profiled you when he pulled you over doesn't mean that your assault charge gets dropped, or is justified.

The general public seems to have their own idea of justice, or they just don't understand the stand your ground law. Maybe in an auto accident Zimmerman's initial negligence could be a deciding factor in the determination of fault but not in this case (Adjuster any truth to that?). People are assuming that Zimmerman's intentions were to harm Martin from the get go, but the 911 tape's content suggest he was reporting a suspicious person, and that he was aware the police were on their way. If Zimmerman tried to rob or harm Martin then got his ass kicked and then shot him, no he wouldn't be protected under the law, but under the circumstances that is hard to believe.
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After 3 years of law school and now dealing with the general public, I can honestly say that at least 85% have no concept of how the law works. The other 15% only know because they've had run-ins before.

You're absolutely right. Adjuster brought up the central flaw with the GP's understanding of this case: a recommendation or instruction from a police dispatcher IS NOT, HAS NEVER BEEN, and will NEVER BE a police order. Dispatchers are not commissioned officers and have no formal education regarding criminal law. They are not qualified to give any instruction that someone is legally required to heed. Period.

Zimmerman did NOT violate any law by following Martin. Not even after being advised against it. It's no different than if he hadn't called 911 and just decided to investigate on his own.
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So, the PD car that's out in clear view, to deter folks with a racial hate bent, from harming the Zimmerman family home, get's shot up?

And the close the PD station because a riot of hoodies blocked the front doorway?

And the media coverage on this is nearly ZERO.

Why?

Well, it's just a bunch of racist black folk, acting out of hate and anger. They get a pass, after all, they are entitled to this racist hate right?

WRONG.

Glad to see a few leaders in the Black community have come out and said this is wrong, and that those who act out, riot etc, should go straight to prison.

Problem is, if the shot up cop car, or crowds of angry Black racists get their way, the Zimmerman family, and George especially will see lynch mob justice.

George has gone silent, and his lawyers have succumbed to the pressure themselves, opting "out" of his defense. (Saying if he contacts them, they will get back together, but for now they are apart.. Cowards)

But who can blame them? Death threats, angry Black Racists shooting up cop cars, and mobbing the local PD station?

It's going to get ugly folks, very ugly, very fast.
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Originally Posted by BangBangPlay View Post
Honestly who cares what he may have said before the altercation? If you think about it, it has nothing to do with the case because he stated that he "[thought] he is black". That proves that he didn't profile him based on race, he profiled him based on his appearance and his demeanor, which isn't a hate crime. He said that he thought he was on drugs, that he looked suspicious, and that he may be black. Everything that happened before the assault was neither here nor there and therefore has little effect on the possible charge Zimmerman could receive.

His family attorney and the media are beating this drum because they really don't have a chinaman's chance with a 1st or 2nd degree murder charge, so they are pushing for manslaughter/hate crime. If Zimmerman isn't charged with a crime to begin with then there can't be a hate crime charge.

This entire case doesn't hinge on whether he racially profiled Martin or not, and it really doesn't have a big effect on the initial charge. Going against a 911 operator's advise (not command) isn't against the law either. Look at the Joe Horn case back in 2007, he was told 12 times not to go outside and he was never charged. People are hung up on the possible racial slur because they have been conditioned to think that being racist is against the law. Actually you could argue that that idea or pushing tolerance on the country is fascist and it goes against your rights as a US citizen.


Actually, I'm not hung up on the race thing at all, I was just asking a question, because I've repeatedly heard that he used racial slurs.

Plus, you said that his comments were irrelevant, but then you spent the next paragraph talking about his comments on the 911 call, and the racial aspect of them. The media has lied about the racial aspect of this, and there really ISNT a racial aspect to it. It had nothing to do with race, but the media has tried to make it all about race.

So the whole point of asking about the supposed racial slurs, was so that I, and others can disprove the race baiting line of the mainstream media. That isnt the crux of the case, but to most African Americans and liberals, thats the most important aspect of the case, as to them its all about race. So why not disprove it, and try to destroy the media's credibility? Not just here, as they dont have credibility here, but elsewhere.....

But also, I had not heard the whole 911 tape, so I didnt know what was said, and I was interested in knowing if the story was true or not.

But he was apparently arrested today.
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That statement wasn't directed to you man, I was just highlighting the public's fixation on the whole "motivation" for the crime. It really doesn't and won't have anything to do with the final charge. The public and the media have beat the dead horse with the possible racial slurs or racial bias, and many people are ignorantly basing their judgment on the fact that he ignored the 911 operator's suggestion to not follow Martin. Those

I am not calling you out for the creation of this thread, I was just pointing out that what he said and did before the scuffle have nothing to do with the possible charge he will receive today or tomorrow. The race card has been added to this case to rally the troops and to increase the appeal. Part of the reason I have given Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt is because of this type of unfair treatment by the public and the media. Also he has become the scapegoat for all black frustration and has become an icon of racial turmoil and hate, and for no good reason. I still think he will walk in the end, convincing the entire jury comprised of Floridians that he killed Martin outside the law beyond a reasonable doubt will be extremely difficult. Regardless of public opinion and media bias.....
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Just heard on the news hes been arrested and will be charged with second degree murder. That special prosecutor Angela Corey says that authorities did not come to the decision lightly, nor was it based on public pressure. F'ing lier. I think the reason she did not take it to the Grand Jury is because she would get a no bill. Its all political and if he walks look for the riots to start.
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That special prosecutor Angela Corey says that authorities did not come to the decision lightly, nor was it based on public pressure. F'ing lier. I think the reason she did not take it to the Grand Jury is because she would get a no bill.
You are absolutely right! Why would she go out of her way to even say that if she didn't have it on her mind. She was quoted as saying;

“It is the search for justice for Trayvon that has brought us to this moment.
This whole case is based on the idea that an "overzealous" citizen took a man's life, but now it appears that the prosecution is guilty of the same thing. Sure they will say that they reviewed the evidence and came to a conclusion, but we all know that they reverse engineered that charge. Along with everyone else, they came into this thing trying to make Zimmerman as guilty as possible, to quell the ignorant public. The decision to abandon the grand jury review two days before their conclusion was telling too.

A prosecutor can gain a tactical advantage (one, at least) from using a grand jury to indict rather than charging by information. A grand jury indictment avoids the necessity of a preliminary hearing, in which all evidence against Zimmerman will need to be presented to the court. This will now give the defense a lot more information about the prosecutors' theory of the case and the evidence they will use to prove it. If the grand jury had handed down the indictment much of the evidence against Zimmerman would have been shielded from his defense attorneys.

The fact she abandoned the grand jury indictment is bold and shows that she either has total confidence in the evidence against Zimmerman, or that she feared that he would be acquitted of the charges and that the case never would have gone to trial. I tend to lean towards the ladder, especially because of public opinion. This way they can delay the race riots and distract the rabid public with the illusion of "justice". The average idiot (including Martin's parents and their attorney) probably see this as a victory, and the first step in justice, but that is a fallacy. Zimmerman being charged was inevitable (his initial lawyer even said so) but it would have held a lot more weight, or given more of an advantage to the prosecution if it had been done by a grand jury. This is just another sign that the case against Zimmerman is weak and is driven by public opinion and threats. And that is what the general public considers justice?
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As far as I'm concerned, as soon as Martin started slamming Zimmerman's head onto the pavement, that bullet was bought and paid for.

He felt froggy, so he jumped. Into the wrong mud hole. Case closed.
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That special prosecutor Angela Corey says that authorities did not come to the decision lightly, nor was it based on public pressure. F'ing lier.
I agree, public pressure was the #1 reason Zimmerman was charged. She knows she can't get a conviction.

I see they still insist on using the 12 year old pic of Trayvon in nearly every mention of the case.

Tracy Martin, offered several questions that he
would like to ask Zimmerman about the sequence of events that led
up to Trayvon's death, but in the end he would want to know, "Was
it really worth it?"

"The question I would really like to ask him is, if he could look into Trayvon's eyes and see how innocent he was, would he have then pulled the trigger? Or would he have just let him go on home?" Tracy Martin said.


I would have let him beat me unconscious, take my gun away and hope he killed me...'cause I deserved that and more for eyeballing him when he wasn't doin' nothin'.....
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I would have let him beat me unconscious, take my gun away and hope he killed me...'cause [he] deserved that and more for eyeballing [me] when [I] wasn't doin' nothin'.....
That's the exact language the public wants to use in newly proposed legislation in Florida. They're calling it the "Whatchu Want, You Nosy, (Close Enough to) White Mutha F***a?!" Act.
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This case has become a political sideshow, and it has little to do with serving justice. It has served as a political springboard for several individuals, groups, and the media (who has been found guilty of tampering with evidence). The only people who are set to lose anything from this case are the legal gun owners who will undoubtedly forfeit their future rights to defend themselves, and Zimmerman who may lose his freedom due to public pressure and threats of riots.

Regardless of Zimmerman's guilt in the matter, I don't want this to send a message to would be thugs, thieves, and criminals that they will receive protection under the law when they go to harm an innocent citizen. All of this in the name of justice, and reinforced with threats of violence? Isn't that the definition of terrorism?

I though this country didn't negotiate with terrorists.......
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You are absolutely right! Why would she go out of her way to even say that if she didn't have it on her mind. She was quoted as saying;



This whole case is based on the idea that an "overzealous" citizen took a man's life, but now it appears that the prosecution is guilty of the same thing. Sure they will say that they reviewed the evidence and came to a conclusion, but we all know that they reverse engineered that charge. Along with everyone else, they came into this thing trying to make Zimmerman as guilty as possible, to quell the ignorant public. The decision to abandon the grand jury review two days before their conclusion was telling too.

A prosecutor can gain a tactical advantage (one, at least) from using a grand jury to indict rather than charging by information. A grand jury indictment avoids the necessity of a preliminary hearing, in which all evidence against Zimmerman will need to be presented to the court. This will now give the defense a lot more information about the prosecutors' theory of the case and the evidence they will use to prove it. If the grand jury had handed down the indictment much of the evidence against Zimmerman would have been shielded from his defense attorneys.

The fact she abandoned the grand jury indictment is bold and shows that she either has total confidence in the evidence against Zimmerman, or that she feared that he would be acquitted of the charges and that the case never would have gone to trial. I tend to lean towards the ladder, especially because of public opinion. This way they can delay the race riots and distract the rabid public with the illusion of "justice". The average idiot (including Martin's parents and their attorney) probably see this as a victory, and the first step in justice, but that is a fallacy. Zimmerman being charged was inevitable (his initial lawyer even said so) but it would have held a lot more weight, or given more of an advantage to the prosecution if it had been done by a grand jury. This is just another sign that the case against Zimmerman is weak and is driven by public opinion and threats. And that is what the general public considers justice?


I always thought that major charges like this had to be run through a grand jury for an indictment. Usually, when I watch true criminal cases on TV, they talk about how they must build up enough evidence before they arrest the person and before they indict the guy(or girl). I though it was mandatory.

But anyway, I dont know if it is an election year for the prosecuter, like it was for Mike Nifong in the Duke rape case, but if not, the only other reason for not assembling a grand jury and indicting the guy was because they wanted to curb the propaganda and end the attacks on their departments for supposed corruption and all, and they were worried that an indictment wouldve taken more time, and they might not have gotten an indictment in the end anyway. So at least this way, even if they lose, it looks like they took 'some' action in this case. At least it will shut up some of these Al Sharpton types for a while, and stop or prevent further civic unrest, at least until Zimmerman is found not guilty.
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Im calling BS on this one. A 2nd degree murder charge to quieten down the likes of sharpton and his mob of followers. This is an injustice.
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Im calling BS on this one. A 2nd degree murder charge to quieten down the likes of sharpton and his mob of followers. This is an injustice.
Like I said earlier it's the same as giving into terrorists demands. They are openly threatening violence and riots if they don't get their way, and the media is even distributing the message. I totally agree that is an injustice, but not the way the general public see's it. I am to the point that I want him to walk just to rain on everyone's delusional parade.

I say let them riot, that way they can rounded up and loose even more of their rights, their jobs, and their freedom if it means so much to em.
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Originally Posted by NorthernSoutherner View Post
I always thought that major charges like this had to be run through a grand jury for an indictment. Usually, when I watch true criminal cases on TV, they talk about how they must build up enough evidence before they arrest the person and before they indict the guy(or girl). I though it was mandatory.
They explained on tv that in Florida only capital offenses must go through a grand jury. That could explain why Zimmerman wasn't charged with a capital offense, to avoid the possibility that a grand jury might no-bill him. Prosecutors know how to game the system as well as defense lawyers.
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The whole affair is disgusting. Did any of you watch the news conference where Prosecutor Angela Corey announced the charges against Zimmerman? From the very start it appeared as if she were running for office of some sort.
"She has been at the forefront of the victim's rights movement for her entire career," said A. Russell Smith, a defense attorney in Jacksonville and personal friend.

When special prosecutor Angela Corey met the parents of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, one of the first things she did with them was pray.
Read more: Prosecutor in FL shooting known as victim advocate

There is something wrong with this picture. I have said it before and I still believe that not only is Zimmerman innocent, but their is no way he will ever get a fair trial anywhere.
I will never again claim Florida as my home. They allow people (like Casey Anthony) to murder their children but make it nearly impossible for a citizen to protect themselves.
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That corey prosecutor is one buttugly betty.She might be able to get appointed to the supreme court with those looks-right next to the other obama appointees!I personnally am getting tired of hearing about this dog and pony show-pooooor little travon,and then they show a pic of him when he was 13 or 14,and this was today-talking about trying to influence public opinion.What I'm really wondering(or maybe just paranoid)about is what are the potus and ag doing behind the scenes-and scemeing about that we are un-aware of?More ways to do away with our gun rights,maybe use this trial as a inducer for more sweeping federal controls for the right to carry?There is just too much interest in this trial for one shooting!Multiple shootings have taken place since,including school shootings,and they barely get their"15 minutes"on the news!Even the north korean missle launch is getting a back seat to this trial.I just feel like more evil is brewing on capitol hill,altogether too quiet!
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