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Old 02-28-2012, 08:59   #1
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Why does the US lead the world in school shootings?

Is it that guns are available to kids?

Violent video games?

Kids feel like they have no other choice to stop the bullies?

Maybe our schools are a failure?

Maybe parents do not spend enough time with the kids?

Maybe human life has been devalued by modern society?

Why does America lead the world in school shootings? – Global Public Square - CNN.com Blogs

Why does the US have more school shooting then any other nation in the world?
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Old 02-28-2012, 10:39   #2
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Most of these shootings have a mental issue tied to them. We don't supervise these people or institutionalize them as we once did.

An education official said late Monday the suspected shooter is a student at nearby Lake Academy, not Chardon High.

Brian Bontempo declined to answer any more questions about the student. Bontempo is the superintendent of the Lake County Educational Service Center, which operates the academy.

The alternative school in Willoughby serves 7th through 12th grades. Students may have been referred to the school because of academic or behavioral problems.

Law enforcement officials described the suspect as a "victim of bullying" and an "outcast." FBI officials would not comment on a motive.

Read more: Third Student Dies In Shooting Rampage At Ohio High School, Authorities Say | Fox News
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Old 02-28-2012, 11:34   #3
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Maybe because we have somewhere around 130,000 schools (not including colleges) in the United States? Compare to 60,000 in Russia, 35,000 in Germany, 9,500 in Australia...

(Numbers pulled from various interweb searches and may be out of date or otherwise inaccurate. But I think you get my point.)
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I think most of the problem is the parents. Someone isnt doing their job. Parents job isnt to be buddies with their kids, or the cool parent all the kids like, their job is to get these kids ready to be productive adults. We can thank liberalism for schools not being able to paddle a kid anymore. We can thank liberalism for making a person feel like its wrong to whip a child anymore. If your too squimish to discipline your kids maybe you shouldnt have any. Your not doing them any favors.
My 22yr. old daughter asked me the other day if it made me feel bad to whip her and her siblings when they were younger and I told her of course it did. Its not something a parent wants to do, but it has to be done from time to time. Once my kids realized I would beat their butts it was easier for me to get them to do the right thing. When they are told to do something, they do it. They have never argued with me. They are respectful. They work hard. They dont get into trouble at school. All because they knew better. I care enough to do what needs to be done. Too many kids these days arent getting what they need, just what they want.
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We need more adult concealed carry people in the US!Then these perpetrators of crime will either reconsider due to fear,or be cancelled out due to attrition!
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I don't think guns are any more available to kids than they were 40 years ago when I was growing up. Most of what is going on now I think is related to lack of parenting. We have far fewer legitimate mother/father role models these days.

This is an old report, but extend the lines on the graphs to present day and you'll get an estimate of where we are now.
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Maybe parents do not spend enough time with the kids?

Maybe human life has been devalued by modern society?
Bingo!
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It's probably a lot of factors. Bad or absent parenting is nothing new.

A friend from Germany told me they've had several mass shootings recently. There was a rash of knife attacks in schools in China for awhile. There may still be, but if there are, they're not being widely reported any more. I believe the publicity contributes to a copycat effect. The knowledge that someone else has gone ahead and actually done it, combined with the notoriety afterwards, is probably sometimes the impetus for someone fantasizing about it to go ahead and do it.

Then there is the proliferation of psychotropic drugs kids are prescribed these days. Schools have always been mean places for many kids, but with the added pressures of standardized testing, large class sizes, and teachers' lack of disciplining options, kids having trouble are more likely to go unnoticed. I suspect that often nothing more than a kind word at the right time has prevented tragedies like school shootings. Though many of these explosions of rage build up over time, I suspect ultimately they're acts of impulse. Kids are impulsive and their brains haven't developed the capacity to fully realize the seriousness and permanence of that kind of act.

And we should admit the failure to keep firearms out of the hands of unsupervised kids is also a link in the chain.
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Having known one of the first school shooters in Moses Lake, WA by working with his parents, doing their advertising, I can say that I think it's due to little, or no control in schools over kids that bully other kids.

Teachers today will not make any effort to punish bullies, as they risk losing their jobs over it.

For many decades now, our education system has become totally run by liberals, who have killed all physical punishment, re-distributed winning to everyone and made schools about having fun, not learning.

Also today, we have easy ways to find information about anything you want, just a few clicks on the net, and it's yours.

The kids who feel left with few options do not go to church leaders, friends or even their parents for advice, they just google it, and then far too often, act on what they find, good or bad out there.

One of the questions that teachers/counselors asked Barry was "what are you doing that causes these other boys to bully you?

Really? So when this kid was being beat up, he should look into himself, and ask "why am I doing things that make them want to beat me up???"

Yep, that's why he came back to school eventually with firearms, and shot those that had tormented him, much like it appears this kid in Ohio has done.

And kids all over will continue to do unless we allow/demand that schools get a handle on bullies, and enforce some rules in the class rooms again.
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Originally Posted by Adjuster View Post
Having known one of the first school shooters in Moses Lake, WA by working with his parents, doing their advertising, I can say that I think it's due to little, or no control in schools over kids that bully other kids.

Teachers today will not make any effort to punish bullies, as they risk losing their jobs over it.
At least you were on the right track before you defaulted to blaming liberalism.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
At least you were on the right track before you defaulted to blaming liberalism.
Liberalism had brought many plagues on America including the destruction of family values.
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Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
Liberalism had brought many plagues on America including the destruction of family values.
Lots of screwed up kids have right wing parents, and lots of kids from liberal families turn out great.

What we have here are chickens coming home to roost. It's as if all of the American public's bad habits and perverse obsessions are all coming back to haunt Republican voters in this race: The lack of attention span, the constant demand for instant gratification, the abject hunger for negativity, the utter lack of backbone or constancy (we change our loyalties at the drop of a hat, all it takes is a clever TV ad): these things are all major factors in the spiraling Republican disaster.

Most importantly, though, the conservative passion for divisive, partisan, bomb-tossing politics is threatening to permanently cripple the Republican party. They long ago became more about pointing fingers than about ideology, and it's finally ruining them.

Oh, sure, your average conservative will insist his belief system is based upon a passion for the free market and limited government, but that's mostly a cover story. Instead, the vast team-building exercise that has driven the broadcasts of people like Rush and Hannity and the talking heads on Fox for decades now has really been a kind of ongoing Quest for Orthodoxy, in which the team members congregate in front of the TV and the radio and share in the warm feeling of pointing the finger at people who aren't as American as they are, who lack their family values, who don’t share their All-American work ethic.

The finger-pointing game is a fun one to play, but it’s a little like drugs – you have to keep taking bigger and bigger doses in order to get the same high.

So it starts with a bunch of these people huddling together and saying to themselves, "We’re the real good Americans; our problems are caused by all those other people out there who don’t share our values." ...
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Arizona Debate: Conservative Chickens Come Home to Roost | Matt Taibbi | Rolling Stone
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Lots of screwed up kids have right wing parents, and lots of kids from liberal families turn out great.


Arizona Debate: Conservative Chickens Come Home to Roost | Matt Taibbi | Rolling Stone
Rolling stone writing about politics, he sounds real centered and well balanced.

Warning Matt tabbi swears in his uncontrolled rant below.

I have to say, Iím really enjoying this whole teabag thing. Itís really inspiring some excellent daydreaming. For one thing, itís brought together the words teabag and Michelle Malkin for me in a very powerful, thrilling sort of way. Not that I havenít ever put those two concepts together before, but this is the first time itís happened while in the process of reading her actual columns.
Previously Michelle Malkinís writing was on the edge of unreadable; sheís sort of like Ann Coulter, only without that tiny fraction of P.T. Barnum/Mick Jagger-esque self-promotional flair that makes Coulter at least vaguely interesting. When you read Ann Coulter, you know youíre reading someone who would **** a hippopotamus if she thought it would boost her Q rating. Thatís a rare quality and it commands oneís attention.
Michelle Malkin doesnít have that. Sheís just a mean little dunce whoís wedged herself into a nicely paying career as a GOP spokesclown, and sheís going to ride that gig for as long as it keeps gas in her minivan.
And thatís fine, good for her. But that doesnít make her readable. However, this move of hers to spearhead the teabag movement really adds an element to her writing that wasnít there before. Now when I read her stuff, I imagine her narrating her text, book-on-tape style, with a big, hairy set of balls in her mouth. It vastly improves her prose.
Michelle Malkin Ľ What is the difference between Anderson Cooper and Matt Taibbi?
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Well, Imposter, you post what you believe is worth reading, and I'll keep posting what I believe is worth reading.
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That goes without saying.

So does the fact that Michelle Malkin, or any conservative pundit/author/talking head has far more intelligence, witt and common sense than their liberal counterparts.

But then again, you have to play to your audience right?
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Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
Rolling stone writing about politics, he sounds real centered and well balanced.
Kind of like if Rachel Maddow and Bill Maher had a love child...
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