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Old 07-30-2011, 11:55   #1
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Fast & Furious...Who knew??

It upsets me to no end that the story about "Operation: Fast & Furious" is not getting more attention. Yeah, I know...we've got the Debt Ceiling debate currently going on. But, this story is HUGE!!

Simply put, this is the one of the most corrupt conspiracies to come out of the U.S. Government in years. In fact, Rep. Darrel Issa continued his probe this week into what happened, who knew and when did they know.

During the hearings, after pressing BATFE Agent William Newell in a line of questioning, Newell finally admitted that he had sent an email, titled...get this..."You did not hear this from me" to Kevin O'Reilly, the National Security Director for North America. In that email, Newell included detailed information about "Fast & Furious" to the Senior White House Official about the program.

As a result, this testimony stands contrary to the previous testimony received from the Attorney General, Eric Holder himself, stating that he and President Obama were unaware of the "Fast & Furious" operation.

Here's the full story, as reported by the NRA-ILA

As a side note, this past June, "31 U.S. House members -- all Democrats -- wrote to President Barack Obama, urging him to end Administration stonewalling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' "Project Gunrunner," and the "Fast and Furious" program under which border state dealers were encouraged to sell thousands of guns to suspicious buyers." (Source: NRA-ILA GRASSROOTS ALERT Vol. 18, No. 23)

If you're a gun owner and supporter of the Second Amendment, this story should anger you beyond belief.

The American people were lectured by the President and Attorney General of our country, as well as the President of Mexico, stating the majority of guns that were used in drug cartel crimes South of the border were coming from the United States.

Now, it turns out that the BATFE implemented a program that ENCOURAGED gun shop owners to sell guns to "straw buyers", and let them "walk", without any tracing mechanism put in place.

So, why was this encouraged?

It is my opinion (and the opinion of MANY others) that this operation was intentionally fabricated to support the notion that was propagated forward by the anti-gun lobby. It gave the MISSING "proof" that guns were indeed coming from North of the border.

Wanna bet that somehow during the argument, the fact that the BATFE was promoting guns to "walk" would be left out?? Heck yeah, it would be!

Here's the thing, the operation back-fired...in a big way...some of the guns that "walked" turned up at a murder scene of U.S. Border Patrol Agent, Brian Terry. It was then that the whistle-blowers began spilling the beans.

This is a HUGE mess for the Obama administration, as it appears that not only did the highest levels of the BATFE know what was going on, but a Senior White House Official also knew. And, it only takes a second to believe that if this was the case, the president was informed as well.

This lack of poor judgment will surely come back to haunt this president and those around him.

And, what about the dead agent's family? What are you going to tell them, Mr. President?? That you had no idea what was going on?!

Again...the man-child proves he is not qualified to lead himself out of a cardboard box.
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A prime example of Hegelian Antithisis, one of the favorite Marxist strategies. You have a goal that you would like to achive (in this case the banning of private firearms ownership.) You create a problem (in this case American guns making it into the hands of drug running terrorists) that you already have the answer to that will allow you to reach your goal (in this case the incremental banning of personal firearms ownership; military types first, the semi-autos, then everything ese.)

Could it be that the debt crisis is being CREATED to take the public eye off of Fast and Furious? Hmmm... yet another slieght of hand Marxist strategy!

Yeah I agree this should make EVERY American (gun owning or not) MAD AS HELL!
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I've been following this story closely since it broke. I keep hoping that it will be the "high crime" that completely brings down our treacherous president.
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That would be nice, but with the depths of corruption in our government I ain't holding my breath...
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I am sure that the president knew about it, A while back he asured Sarah Brady that he was going to "do something about the guns", but he knew that he didn't have the votes in congress to do it. Will he go down for it, No.
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I think obama knew about it, probably backed it wholeheartedly but it went sideways on him. Thats too bad. The commie media is trying their best not to report any of this so they can save obama's sorry ass. Probably will in the end. Hypocrites.
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Everyone involved in this coverup should be horse whipped and then death by bunga-bunga!!!!!!!!!
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Some folks' memories sure are short.
U.S. SENT IRAN ARMS FOR HOSTAGE RELEASES; WEAPONS WERE SUPPLIED FOR AID IN FREEING 3 IN LEBANON, GOVERNMENT SOURCES SAY
Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein

This kind of thing happens because our government gets mixed up where it shouldn't be.
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The kenyan cow pie ordered the gun running, the filthy animal probably oversees several drug cartels.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Some folks' memories sure are short.
U.S. SENT IRAN ARMS FOR HOSTAGE RELEASES; WEAPONS WERE SUPPLIED FOR AID IN FREEING 3 IN LEBANON, GOVERNMENT SOURCES SAY
Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein

This kind of thing happens because our government gets mixed up where it shouldn't be.
And some just smoke dope, collect welfare, and live decades in the past.
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The only way this story gets buried, is if we allow it to be buried.

Frankly, I feel what Rep. Issa has uncovered is only the tip of the iceberg...and that is THE iceberg that could sink the U.S.S. Man Child.

The NRA and Rep. Issa are definitely doing their part to illuminate this conspiracy. But, as responsible firearms owners and supporters of the Second Amendment, we must do our part as well. Therefore, tell your friends and family members about this. Call your congressman/woman. Ask hard questions about this so-called "operation" at your next town hall meeting.

Again, this is one of the most corrupt conspiracies to come out of the U.S. Government in years.

Think about this...there's actually a high probability that a sitting POTUS knew about and sanctioned deliberate steps to fabricate false evidence, by use of a federal agency, to remove the American peoples' Second Amendment right.

Sure, the mainstream-complicit media will not go too far to report this story, so that their golden child won't be exposed for the Marxist that he truly is. But, the new-age of electronic media cannot be fully silenced. And, the American people have awakened to see this man's true colors.

This unfolding conspiracy proves it. In no uncertain terms, we're dealing with enemies from within our gates.

In fact, if only half as much about this story is true...which, actually I feel there is much more that will never come to full light...there is already enough to make a case to call for the resignation of Eric Holder.

And, if it is found with the undeniable proof of a paper trail that Obie condoned it, then I feel this is an impeachable offense.

Lastly, this is not a Republican issue OR a Democrat issue. As we all know, the Bill of Rights does not discriminate between party affiliations. Therefore, this corruption is directed at the heart of what it means to be an American...period!

Remember this folks...the Second Amendment makes all others possible.
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The kenyan cow pie ordered the gun running, the filthy animal probably oversees several drug cartels.
You're such a filthy liar.
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No doubt Paco we are at war with deeply entrenched Marxists! They will not rest until they have destroyed everything the Republic and her people stand for; the Constitution, our religion, our families, and our way of life. We can no longer afford to co-exist with these enemies! They must be punished with a severity that will not only drive them from our shores, but insures that they never return ans well. They have negated any rights and freedom that they were entitled to by trying to negate ours.
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Freesw, you certainly sound a lot more desperately irritable lately.

It's tough to have to defend "scum and villainy" isn't it. You're argument is so immature too. You're argument is like a 3rd grade boy caught cheating on a test who tries to justify himself by saying: "well, Charlie cheated on the test last week."

Lame attempts to try to change the subject to events from the 1980s won't serve to draw attention away from the fact that this was a blatant attempt to compel gun control gone wrong and your immoral bunch perpetrated it. So much for swearing to uphold and defend the Constitution.

Of course to both this evil kindergarten class of an administration and to you the Constitution is just a nuisance of an impediment to the agenda of control of the American people.
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Originally Posted by Parnelli View Post
They must be punished with a severity that will not only drive them from our shores, but insures that they never return ans well.
Frankly, the best way to resolve this situation is to vote the bums out of office in 2012! Moreover, let anyone who stands on the wrong side of this issue know that if they support any anti-2A agenda item, then they will be voted out of office as well.
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If you're looking for the truth in this matter you won't see it coming out of this corrupt administration. O may have been above the fray, but there's no way AG Holder (this is a nation of cowards) was. He's either lying about his knowledge of it or he's completely incompetent, or both.
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I'll bet hillary klinton is in this to the hilt. It just smells like something that bi*&^ would do.
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I respectfully disagree Paco. That might have worked a couple of generations, or maybe even decades ago, but not today. War has been declared on the American people; the battles have raged behind the scenes for many decades. A slow but steady and constant usurpation of power has been taking place for many years. No country can long survive an infestation of an enemy determined to destroy it. Just look at what is happening in Great Britan with Sharia Law. (Hell Dearborn Michigan for that matter.)

No sir, we are at war, and unless we wake up to realize soon it we are toast as a Republic and as a nation.
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Parnelli,

Actually, you and I are closer to being in agreement than it may appear.

I do agree that the American people are at war...an ideological war. And, this administration has done nothing but drive us further towards another ideological revolution.

Moreover, it is conspiracies like "Fast & Furious" that ultimately threaten the American people's ability to thwart a tyrannical government. And, that is why I have spoken out about it.

As I stated above, I (strongly) believe the Second Amendment makes all others possible. Furthermore, I don't think it's "by chance" that it is only preceded by the First Amendment. The founders of this nation knew the importance of citizens...men like you and me...being able to defend ourselves, our families, our possessions and our freedoms from tyranny.

The point I was making is that the best way to change the situation is to vote those who oppose the Second Amendment out of office. And, I strongly believe that day is indeed coming.

I just caution anyone using strong rhetoric, as it becomes the kind of thing those on the other side of the fence use to build a case against supporters of the Second Amendment. It becomes propaganda for them to use as a bludgeon against honorable men that stand in defense of our freedoms.

While your frustration is certainly valid, I'd urge you to keep your cool about how to approach a resolution to this government corruption. Sure, anger can be, and is, a good short-term motivator, but there must be long-term solution that is sought. For that, you need to work within the boundaries of the Constitution and the law.

Now sure, it's painfully obvious our opponents are not following the law, let alone the Constitution. But, we must do so in order to truly prevail on this.

In the end, do I believe those who have forgotten the lessons of history that reside within the United States government will outright ban the private ownership of firearms within its borders? No, I do not.

Will they try? Yes.

But, will they succeed? No. And, here's why...

There would be an outcry that would fill the air from New England, to the Mississippi River, to the Gulf Coast, to the Rocky Mountains, and on to the Pacific Northwest. And, you would have literally tens of millions of gun owners outraged.

But, the way this works is that the anti-Second Amendment crowd tries to continually chip away at the Second Amendment. That is the method to their madness, so to speak. And, the unfortunate news is that it will never end.

That is why it is so vitally important to vote. In fact, if you think about it, the two recent Second Amendment cases that went to the SCOTUS were close decisions. They certainly were not "slam dunks".

And, as you may know, the POTUS gets to nominate Supreme Court justices. So, that is why we must vote the man-child out of office. In fact, in my eyes, this is the primary reason B.O. needs to go!

Again, you and I are much closer to being in agreement than maybe it appears. And, in this ideological war, we're definitely on the same side.

Much respect, my friend.
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I think both of you are right. We are at war with those that want to destroy the republic. They know who they are. We can try voting them out of office first, but I fear that some of them are like tic's and are dug in deep and its going to take more to rid this country of them. Just making the people aware is a good first step though. I think most have caught on.
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Thanks for the clarification Paco, and yes, we are on the same page. I do learn from history, and throughout history there has never been an opressive regime ousted from power peacefuly that I know of. Once their tentacles are intertwined with power and finance they simply refuse to let go!

I also believe that before they try any sort of firearms confiscation tactic they will use law against owners first. It will come to the point wherein the smallest offence will make you ineligible to own firearms. We are already half way there with misdemeanor domestic violenc (simply grabbing somene's arm in most states to keep them from walking away) is cuase enough to allow the confiscation of your firearms and make you ineligible for future purchases.

Hitler never broke the law during his reign in Gernany. He followed it explicitly, but he always had it written to meet his needs.
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It's no surprise to me this was happening and no matter what Holder or any of the rest say thier all guilty and Rep. Issa has caught all of them in lies Holder and Newell they agents would not have let it go unless ordered and that would more than likely had to come from Holder sense he is the big dog and his orders come from Obama but if you have powerful friends you can do whatever you please Americans need to push for prosecution of the whole bunch I have written my senators several times on this issue but recieve a bunch of crap in response so they will walk and probably get another big gov. job with a raise
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...I also believe that before they try any sort of firearms confiscation tactic they will use law against owners first. It will come to the point wherein the smallest offence will make you ineligible to own firearms...
They're already pushing to go past that point:
NRA-ILA :: Why NRA Opposes Gun Control Supporters` "Terrorist Watchlist" Bills

Some believe that S. 34 (Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J.) and H.R.1506 (Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y.) are intended to prevent “terrorists” from buying guns. Here’s what the bills really propose:

That a person who is not otherwise prohibited from buying a firearm, and who therefore would otherwise pass a National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) check, could still be prohibited from acquiring a firearm if he is on the FBI’s watchlist.
That once a person is told that he is on the watchlist, he would be subject to a 10-year prison sentence for a gun already possessed, even if he has been placed on the watchlist by mistake, or for a minor or unsubstantiated reason.
That a person who goes to court to challenge his placement on the watchlist would not be informed of the specific suspicions or allegations upon which his watchlisting is based.
That the person’s challenge to his watchlisting would be decided by a judge, not a jury.
That the judge would not be allowed to consider all of the available evidence.
Essentially if these bills go through you could be a US citizen who has never been charged or convicted of a crime and because a bureaucrat somewhere put your name on this list (possibly by pure accident) you could not only be denied your constitutional rights but put in the slammer if you already own a firearm. As the kicker they wouldn't even be required to tell you why your name was on the list.
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What part of "Shall not be infringed" do they fail to understand? Until we are willing to clarify the meaning of that phrase to them they will continue to ignore it.
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During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, “to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda,” she said.

“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”
Sarah Brady claims Obama pushing

The bill of rights means nothing to these people, it's just some antiquated document to be pushed aside.
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