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Old 09-17-2011, 22:43   #101
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Originally Posted by Adjuster View Post
I also agree the Second Amendment is all that is needed for weapons ownership and carry of any type. Want to own a bazooka? Go for it. Want to carry a full auto PDW? No problem.

Just be aware that everyone else can, and many will around you, and we will have a much more polite society in short order.
"God made all men free...and Sam Colt made all men equal."

This is where I stand on the Second Amendment.
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Old 09-17-2011, 23:46   #102
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I don't have time to read all the thread posts so this may have been mentioned before.

Who knew? If you want to be brought up to speed about Who/What/Where/When, Michelle Malkin has been covering the F & F story since March of this year. Michelle Malkin » Search Results » fast and furious
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Old 09-18-2011, 00:17   #103
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This was the first link to the story that I'd seen when I stuck it up on a little private firearms forum on March 4th.
Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico - CBS News
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Old 09-18-2011, 05:37   #104
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Remember the Iran-Contra affair? It was plastered all over the news for months trying to bring down the Regan administration. Now that the president is a media darling the press is all but silent! Where is the investigative reporting? It is nearly non-existant. Where is the outrage that unlawful activities by government agents (who were ordered to do so by their handlers) put guns in the hands of foreign criminals that were used to kill Americans? It is non-existant.

I am beginning to wonder if the greatest threat to our liberty, our freedom, and our Republic is not the corrupt Marxists that have risen to power but their media cohorts; for without them they could never have ascended to the heights of corruption that they have attained today.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:34   #105
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Originally Posted by Momo View Post
Sarah Brady claims Obama pushing

The bill of rights means nothing to these people, it's just some antiquated document to be pushed aside.
Thanks Momo for putting this up, radar is his euphemism for the law. I predict no special counsel will be appointed for this. Know one will go to jail because the position of POTUS must be protected for future use by the lawless ruling class. Both parties need gun control to increase for there safety and survival. The Congressional investigation will languish until after the election then business as usual. I hope I'm wrong but my gut tells me I'm not.
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Old 09-18-2011, 09:02   #106
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Originally Posted by Parnelli View Post
I am beginning to wonder if the greatest threat to our liberty, our freedom, and our Republic is not the corrupt Marxists that have risen to power but their media cohorts; for without them they could never have ascended to the heights of corruption that they have attained today.
You're exactly right!

If Obummer had been vetted properly by the media...you know, the way they vetted Sarah Palin...he would have never made it to the presidency.

Clearly, the GE/Soro money (and MANY others) and their control of the lame-stream media companies (ABC, NBC, CBS) used propaganda and their influence to "elect" this ill-equipped incompetent with the most devoid resume of ANY president in history to Leader of the Free World.

This coupled with the "hope" and promise of "change", along with the historical nature of voting the first non-anglo president to the office was all the media needed to blow past this man's lack of experience, his extremely SHADY personal connections, his long list of gaffes (which continue today), and most of all, he's hidden contempt for this country.

Make no mistake, this man is a puppet. And, the media has been complicit in keeping his handlers' true "transformation" (aka: Communist) agenda hidden.

Yes, for the most part, the lame-stream media are just useful idiots in all this. But, the one thing the puppet masters could not have predicted is the growing news sources online, as well as countless millions of folks sharing ideas and debating the issues, WITHOUT the need to get our talking points from Brian Williams, Peter Jennings, Diane Sawyer, or any other empty suit.
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Old 09-18-2011, 09:31   #107
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Some folks' memories sure are short.

My memory works fine and it's not so selective as yours appears to be.

U.S. SENT IRAN ARMS FOR HOSTAGE RELEASES; WEAPONS WERE SUPPLIED FOR AID IN FREEING 3 IN LEBANON, GOVERNMENT SOURCES SAY
Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein

With Iran–Contra the administration was obfuscating law to free American citizens and no American got kill over it. So you tell us what greater good was this administrations goal with Fast and Furious that contributed to the death of an American citizen.

This kind of thing happens because our government gets mixed up where it shouldn't be.
I'll give you that.
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Old 09-18-2011, 12:33   #108
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The pain of punishment must far exceed the pleasure of disobedience; then, and only then, will we get a handle on the politicians.
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Old 09-18-2011, 13:09   #109
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I think you've got it in a nutshell, Parnelli with regards to politicians and the treatment of this nation at their hands.

We are bombarded with the notion of tolerance. Society has been manipulated to expect toleration of absolutely everything except intolerance so that tolerance has become a great vice rather than a virtue. Moral relativism is couched in excessive tolerance. Reason is discarded.

While we embrace tolerance to excess we bend over backwards to remove all fear of retribution from everyone's lives, from our incorrigible and ill-behaved children to our incompetent and deceitful politicians; From the cheats in corporate America to the lazy who would live off the system; from our domestic lawbreakers to the world's terrorist evildoers. Fear of retribution is mistakenly seen as detrimental and injurious to the human psyche when it can be constructive if exacted by reasonable and moral men. The fear of retribution is not an evil to combat but should be used to combat evil. Evil may be defined. There is black and white, right and wrong, moral and immoral.

As a nation we need to resolve to administer appropriate retribution whenever necessary for the good of society. We need to instill a healthy dose of fear of retribution in more than a few people in this world.
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Old 09-18-2011, 13:21   #110
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Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
reasonable and moral men
How do we decide who this group is?
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Old 09-18-2011, 13:26   #111
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Originally Posted by Parnelli View Post
The pain of punishment must far exceed the pleasure of disobedience; then, and only then, will we get a handle on the politicians.
Well right now we have politicians in control of meting out punishment so that handle you speak of isn't installed is it. So we can't get their from hear looks like.
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Old 09-18-2011, 14:11   #112
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Originally Posted by lostalabama View Post
How do we decide who this group is?
This is the best answer to that question.

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jeremiah 10:23

If man fails to recognize any authority higher than himself then anything may successfully argued as moral.
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Old 09-18-2011, 16:36   #113
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Well said bmc.

"Well right now we have politicians in control of meting out punishment so that handle you speak of isn't installed is it. So we can't get their from hear looks like. "

I disagree; we absolutely can get there from here, but we have go to get up off of our a$$es and move in order to do so! Why should a little over 500 people be able to lord over 300,000,000? I tell you that they cannot except through fear. You can't let fear run your life and be free!

It is time to instill fear in them; fear of punishment for corruption and betrayal of the publics trust! It is time for them to realize who is the servant and who is the master.
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Old 09-18-2011, 17:24   #114
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Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
If man fails to recognize any authority higher than himself then anything may successfully argued as moral.
What do you say to those who recognize a higher authority yet have killed almost 18 thousand people since 9/11? Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time They believe everything done in the name of God is moral.
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They believe in a false religion.
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Old 09-18-2011, 17:29   #116
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Amen to that!
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Old 09-18-2011, 17:49   #117
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Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
They believe in a false religion.
No question about it. They would kill you just for saying that because there is no tolerance. But there are something like 400 different religions in this world. What makes a belief a true religion?

When I hear H Clinton tell other countries, "America embraces all religions" it just fries my ass. We don't embrace...we tolerate all religions and that's what makes us different. The separation of church and state. Our country is free because we have both freedom of religion and freedom from religion. That's the only way to exist in peace.
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It all boils down to a free will choice; God forces Himself on no one and niether should we. Any religion that demands participation or death is no religion but rather a system of population cotrol. I can tolerate the beliefs of another so long as they do not tread upon my own. It is when they make demands that we have a problem....
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Old 09-20-2011, 01:54   #119
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Hillary should move to her "Village" and take Barack with her.

This "It takes a Village" nonsense has been thrown out by Liberals as long as the whole "American Dream" garbage. (The dream being a chicken in every pot, a pot for every house, and a stove to set the pot and chicken on from the goverment of course.)

America was built on personal freedom, personal responsiblity and the idea that men have honor, sacred honor to themselves, and others to do as they say, and say what they mean. (IE: Be honest, and treat others as you would like to be treated.)

You know, basic Judeo/Christian ideas...

The founders of this nation had first hand experience with corruption. They went to war with the most powerful nation of the day, England over corruption.

And while the world has changed, the idea that good men will not sit by and be subjected to a corrupt government still holds true, and DC would be wise to be mindful of that reality when they pass laws.

Problem is, so many millions are complacent, content and willing to live without honor, without personal responsibility, and that my friends is how the Liberals have built a system that like cancer, kills the nation from the inside out.

The more we allow people to vote themselves wealth, the faster this nation will fall into the history books as another failed socialist attempt at Nirvana.
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Complaciency and apathy is killing our freedom faster than the Marxist in charge fer sure!
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you got that right parnelli. People need to get motivated and do what needs to be done.
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The ratio of complainers to doers never fails to amaze me! It has to be at least 1000 to 1! Americans want to rid themselves of this Marxist plague that has crept into our society, but they want someone else to do it for them! Ain't gonna happen folks! You want freedom then YOU have to stand for it!
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wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah Marxist plague that has crept into our society blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah


hardly one in a thousand believes such nonsense. present company excepted, of course.
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Come on Free that all ya got ? Latest news is that the Mexican deaths that can be traced to "Fast and Furious" guns is 150 to 200 ...where is your outrage at so many deaths ? Obama and Holder should topple from this .. as well as Napolitano and the hildabeast..
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Old 09-22-2011, 00:35   #125
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Originally Posted by shootnpoot View Post
...where is your outrage at so many deaths ?
oh it's there

what's laughable is all the "marxist plague" babble.

say, can't criminals get guns no matter what? isn't that the official party line? or is that too inconvenient a question?
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