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Old 07-28-2011, 19:57   #1
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New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism

NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011 show the Earth's atmosphere is allowing far more heat to be released into space than alarmist computer models have predicted, reports a new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing. The study indicates far less future global warming will occur than United Nations computer models have predicted, and supports prior studies indicating increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less heat than alarmists have claimed.

Study co-author Dr. Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA's Aqua satellite, reports that real-world data from NASA's Terra satellite contradict multiple assumptions fed into alarmist computer models.

"The satellite observations suggest there is much more energy lost to space during and after warming than the climate models show," Spencer said in a July 26 University of Alabama press release. "There is a huge discrepancy between the data and the forecasts that is especially big over the oceans."
New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism - Yahoo! News
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Damn! And here I just bought Gore's book.

But, he is right. The truth is inconvenient, as he is finding out.
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Never saw that comming... LOL

NASA also tried to bury the results of a 30 year long study of ocean uptake and release of Co2 around the globe. They set out to determine the effect man's Co2 has the oceans, and after 30 years of looking, had to admit that the natural variations of Co2 in the oceans from year to year completely exceeds and removes any measurable change man's Co2 might have.

How is that possible?

Well, you have to understand the Atmosphere, and the crux of MMGW theory.

MMGW theory says that by burning fossil fuels, man releases carbon dioxide that then forms a blanket that traps too much heat, and that heat builds up and cooks the planet.

Now for some reality.
Air as we know it, is mostly Nitrogen and Oxygen. About 96 to 97% of the total.
Then there are trace gases, they make up the other 3 to 4%.
Of those are Water, Co2, methane, ozone, nitrous oxide and other very minor gases.

Water makes up about all of the volume. In fact, water vapor depending on latitude and altitude, can be up to 4% of the atmosphere.

What room does that leave for other trace gases like Carbon Dioxide or Methane? Well, as you can imagine, very little.

Co2 is about 0.03% to 0.003% depending on the location. Methane is even less, and going down the line are the others, even less still.

So, how much of that Co2 is from man?

Well, would you believe only about 3% of the total Co2 is from man?

Yes, of that 0.03 to 0.003%, man contributes just 3% of it TOTAL. The other 97% or more is FROM NATURE.

As one noted climate scientist stated, "you can go spit, and have more effect than Co2 on the temperature of the planet."

What does he mean? Why would he say that? Well, what is the "Greenhouse Effect?" Why is it important?

Without the greenhouse effect, the planet is too cold for humans to live here. It is way colder than it is now. Oceans would freeze up, and life as we know it would cease.

But what causes the greenhouse effect, and is global warming driven by Co2?

Oxygen and Nitrogen don't hold heat. They don't do jack on being a blanket. That leaves the trace gases to do the job.
What is the major trace gas? Water! Yep SPIT.
Water is the major force for the green house effect. Better than 97 to 99% of the greenhouse effect is from water vapor including clouds. CO2 and methane are potent heat blankets, but there is so very little of them, they do not trap much, if any measurable heat in our atmosphere. (Depends on who you read here.)

So, with Co2 being such a minor player, and water vapor being such a major player, why are the scientists not worried about water vapor? Heck, just breathing, you put out water vapor AND Co2.. Add in farting, and you are chucking methane into the mix too! Polluter!

Well, water vapor has been termed eco friendly, as nobody burns water, and water vapor is where the clouds come from, and our clean water comes from clouds... Get it?
No political axe to grind with water vapor, but that damn, dirty fossil fuel Co2 is got to GO! LOL

So back to reality. CO2 based MMGW theory is POLITICAL. Nothing more, nothing less.

And how can I say that with proof? Well, it's easy. The GCM's, the "Computer models" are only as good as the data put into them. And as noted, report after report comes out and notes the data used was false, wrong, or made up in some cases.... Oppsy-daisy! That's politics!

So, what drives climate change, and what's going on with our weather and climate?

It's easy.
For years, man has drilled into ice cores, and studied the bubbles/gas in the ice. They can get temp data, as well as other cool information. (Excused the pun.)

With that data, we can "see" back about 500,000 years.
In that past 500,000 years, the Earth has had ice ages, and interglacial periods.

We are living in an interglacial period. They last about 20,000 years.
The ice ages last about 80,000 years.
The temp range is about 12 degrees.
We are currently up near the 10 degree mark. We just came out of the "little ice age" and prior to that, a "medieval warming" period when it was warmer around the globe, more like 11 to 12 degrees maximum.

Now, we only have the past 500,000 years to look at, and the ages have not been exactly 100k, but they are dang close, and a clear cycle is on the charts for anyone to see...

So what drives climate change?

THE SUN.

What? How are we going to blame man and evil big companies if the sun is what drives the climate! HOW!?! Argh! LOL

Tune in next time, for a life cycle of the sun, and now no matter what we do as humans, the sun will eventually become so large, and so hot, the earth will burn up and if it survives, will be nothing more than an ember in the edge of the red giant that just consumed it. (Prior to the sun shrinking down to most likely a white dwarf...)

Yes EcoFreaks, no matter what you do, the earth will be toast. It's just a matter of time.
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Imagine that liberals, the earth has it's own cooling system and regulates the temperature as needed to sustain life.
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That's ok... Gore's next assult will be on Global Cooling!
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I'm grateful to see both this thread and the one about the arctic scientist under investigation posted. Of course some will choose to disbelieve these in favor of their personal favorite Chicken Little "the sky is falling" dithering environmentalism propaganda.
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Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
I'm grateful to see both this thread and the one about the arctic scientist under investigation posted. Of course some will choose to disbelieve these in favor of their personal favorite Chicken Little "the sky is falling" dithering environmentalism propaganda.
Exactly right. The marxiststream media wont report this and may even try and debunk it and the sheeple in this country will just keep on buying into the BS. I just dont get how people who are seemingly smart can be so stupid.
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Old 07-29-2011, 20:13   #8
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We can rest assured that they will come up with some other idiotic alarmist scam to instill fear into the lemmings....
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Hey, just to go "conspiracy theorist" on you all for a second...bear with me...

There are literally Trillions of dollars associated with the "Climate Change" argument.

So, if there was a government-run organization...say, NASA...that started to blow a major hole in the argument, do you think a good strategy MIGHT be to dismantled said government-run organization??

And, who better to dismantle it than a puppet who was put into the presidency by those who stand to make Trillions of dollars from implementation of rules, sanctions, taxes, grants, etc., etc., etc. from the "Climate Change" argument?

Now, that could never happen here...right??

Think about it for a second. Makes you wonder, huh?

As Gibb's says on NCIS, "I don't believe in coincidences."

Just sayin...
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Interesting....
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Originally Posted by Paco View Post
Hey, just to go "conspiracy theorist" on you all for a second...bear with me...

There are literally Trillions of dollars associated with the "Climate Change" argument.

So, if there was a government-run organization...say, NASA...that started to blow a major hole in the argument, do you think a good strategy MIGHT be to dismantled said government-run organization??

And, who better to dismantle it than a puppet who was put into the presidency by those who stand to make Trillions of dollars from implementation of rules, sanctions, taxes, grants, etc., etc., etc. from the "Climate Change" argument?

Now, that could never happen here...right??

Think about it for a second. Makes you wonder, huh?

As Gibb's says on NCIS, "I don't believe in coincidences."

Just sayin...
You and Gibbs are on to something paco. Lot of BS money floating around out there. Of course some dumbasses believe it hook,line, and sinker. Right freek?
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"...against all enemies, foreign or domestic."

Bottom line, it is a classic Marxist strategy is to destroy from within.

Yeah, I think if Gibb's were on the trail here, he'd get his man.

Here's a favorite quote from Sherlock Holmes, "The Hound of the Baskervilles":

"We balance probabilities and choose the most likely."

Follow the money, folks...follow the MONEY!!
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No, new data does not “blow a gaping hole in global warming alarmism” | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine
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Damn free... you're slipping! It took you a week to find that! LOL.....
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That^^^
we have already provided the facts in this thread.
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The funny thing is that with all these "Scientific Facts" being thrown around it seems ironic that we forget that it is as easy to buy a study as it is a Congressman (or woman) or a law. Ask the Insurance Companies, or Monsanto, or the Bankers; they buy laws all of the time!

Global Warming; Global Cooling; What does it matter, you aren't going to stop it either way! If you reall believe in all of that $hit you might as well rape plunder and pillage your way to the end, cause there's nothing you can do about it anyway.
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The insurance industry and US military take global warming seriously. That should tell you something right there.
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Originally Posted by Parnelli View Post
Global Warming; Global Cooling; What does it matter, you aren't going to stop it either way! If you reall believe in all of that $hit you might as well rape plunder and pillage your way to the end, cause there's nothing you can do about it anyway.
Don't know how I missed that earlier.

Tells us all we need know about you.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
The insurance industry and US military take global warming seriously. That should tell you something right there.
It certainly does tell us something. It tells us that they have bought in to the same BS that most liberals believe. Im not sure who you mean by the military because I know alot of military guys who think its bogus like I do. I assume you mean the top brass. I would like to see proof of that.
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I have been a part of the insurance industry for more than 15 years, indeed a very "progressive" part of the industry... LOL

Here is the reality:

While idiots from Boulder, CO make claims that used to be worth listening too before the rise of the current screetching noises made by EcoFreaks world wide, companies would take the predictions, and plan accordingly for hurricanes.

Well, since the past few decades of "predictions" from Boulder have proven to be complete BS, they hired other experts, as they really do care about profits, and to plan for storms is a serious way to make profits...

And what have the non-political, non-ecofreak driven reports provided?

That storms will be no worse than normal, no more frequent that normal, and that the cycles they have data on will contine to repeat with little change....

Did my "Progressive" employer put that out for mass consumption? Hell no. It throws a monkey wrench into the closely held fearmongering, and they actually came up with new internal programs to promote recycle and re-use green agenda type stuff along with more touchy-feely gay agenda stuff. (Something one of my gay co-workers thought was funny, commenting, "What? Do they think just because I'm gay, I'm stupid about the climate, or a knee-jerk response to the Liberal agenda?"

A key point of it all, is the Satellite data should show warming before ground based temps start to warm.

But it never has, and that bugs the EcoFreaks to no end. (Hansen at NASA for example, as even tried to corrupt his own data, and refute the clear as day data showing there is no warming, but slight cooling in the Troposphere, where it would be getting warmer if Co2 was the driver in this all.... But anyone with a brain can see that Co2 is not the driving factor, only a minor trace gas that changes based on ocean cooling/warming often lags the solar energy that drives the change.)

I find it funny that so many at NASA fail to see the relationship with the SUN, and the weather, while they report on warming and cooling on Mars, or other planets in our solar system.. Yet earth follows none of the rules they talk about with those planets....

Same story from NASA... Mars is cooling due to decreased solar activity... And the earth is cooling, perhaps due to some un-known feedback loop from clouds due to increased levels of Co2 and methane gas from cow farts... (I make this headline up, but search, and you can find pretty much the exact same thing from NASA at times.)

It's like when the scientists at NASA proved that methane on Titan was abiogenic.. The scientists here that study "fossil fuels" said it was bogus, and that our hydrocarbons are based on fossils...

Nevermind that we now get a substantial amount of our natural gas and oil from rock OLDER than fossils on this planet.. And in rock deeper than life on this planet... But hey, you guys in the EcoFreak side of things just keep on going with your flawed theories!

It's amusing to everyone else.
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But without a manufactured global crisis......

What will all the scientists that have been on the government dole do?

They have already been replaced with other liberal theoretical professors without any applied knowledge or experience as they!

What will the Democratic party do to get elected if they can't save the planet and be champions of the less fortunate?

This cannot be!

The sky has to be falling, Chicken Little (Al Gore) says so, the books cannot be wrong
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The gig is up...
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Parnelli, the study of the climate pulled me into a side study of "fossil fuels" and the debate over if they are aboigenic, or biogenic...

Part of the earth, or from dead dinosarus and plants...

Well, the Russians and the "West" have gone down very seperate paths on this issue, and the study/details/information is very good reading.

In Russia, if you study geology with an emphasis on energy sources and production, they teach you that oil and natural gas is abiogenic, from the composition of the earth, and that various geologic features will help to concentrate and pool hydrocarbons in the strata of the earth's crust.

In the "West" the same student is told that dead plants and animals over millions of years, have died, been covered with sediment/earth, compressed at depth and thus produced crude oil, and natural gas...

This is a big deal, in that if it's part of the planet, the amount, and range of hydrocarbons on the planet would be much more, and wider than previously thought....

So, how did I get into this subject matter? Well I was reading "Turbo" magazine many years ago, and an article on how the Gulf of Mexico oil fields were re-filling themselves... This sourced a WSJ article, and a dude who was named Thomas Gold.. (He's an Astrophysist.)

So, more than two decades later, I'm still interested in finding out all I can about where our energy sources come from, and what they are made up of.

Best example is diamonds.

We are told they are scarce. They are rare. They are hard to find. Therefore, they are expensive, and given as gifts of love because "a diamond is forever..."

What a bunch of BS. Diamonds are carbon crystals, and carbon is very common. Diamonds are not rare, they are the most prolific gem stone on this planet, and perhaps the entire universe.

Why are they expensive then? Because they are a controlled commodity.

So, if oil is not a "fossil fuel" and limited in amount by dead plants and animals, but just part of the make up and composition of the planet, and that at great depth in the earth, produced in massive amounts that then migrate up the strata and other geologic features to points near, or at the surface... when would we run out of that?

How much is there? Where is it located? What if all the "facts" about oil and gas were thrown out with the reality that hydrocarbons are indeed abiogenic, and plentiful?

And long lasting! Titan has been producing methane in massive amounts for over 100 million years. (That we surmise.) How do they know that? Well, solar wind blows/strips the methane off Titan, as it has no magnetic core to protect it, and every 100 million years, the methane would be blown out into space if it was not replenished by abiogenic sources deep inside Titan.... For about 4 BILLION years now... Replenishing that surface methane that is stripped off every 100 million years... Lots of methane. (The building block of crude oil, BTW.)

So, if Titan has that much methane, how much does Earth have? Why are there places that the oil is nearly at the surface? (Or is at the surface, such as at Tar Pits.) Geology.

Any proof that oil and natural gas are abiogenic? Sure. The Russians have been drilling into rock that was devoid of, and deeper than fossil reccord, and getting commercial amounts of oil and gas out of them for decades.

Why does Exxon, Shell and BP not want to talk about this? Why does deBeers not want to talk about how Diamonds are common, plentiful and should be cheapest of the gem stones....?

Why does nobody in the EcoFreak world blow the whistle? Well, it destroys them if oil and gas are cheap, plentiful and not going away anytime soon.... No need to conserve you see.

What about political leaders who have for decades had this idea that the USA needs to cap it's reserves, and save up oil so when the rest of the world runs out, we have some to use still? Opps, that's no longer needed either. (Major source of spending, and it would create a USA that is no longer dependent on oil from outside our nation.)

Indeed, it's clear that most of the world has oil and gas, and places that based on "Western" theory never searched because there should be no oil there are now producing oil and gas.

Great read is the White Tiger offshore field in VietNam. The US based oil companies did a study, and told VietNam there was no commercial amounts of oil there, the rock was too old.... After the Russians came along, and drilled there, guess what? Commercial amounts of oil out of rock older than life on this planet... Whoops!

In the past few decades, Russians have quietly increased their oil and gas production so they are able to produce more than Saudi Arabia if they want....

How? By going back to known wells, and cleaning them out, and drilling based on geology, not fossil fuel theory. These hundreds of fields now producing abiogenic sourced oil supply Europe and China with oil and energy. The USA has used some of these techniques to "frack" the rock as well, and expand natural gas, and oil production in our own country, but they are opposed at many levels, and by most predictible, by the EcoFreaks who say it will poison the water supply, and aquafers.

Imgine if states like OH, PA and OK took these Russian designs, and reamed out existing known wells, drilled them deeper, and fracked the rock to get more oil flow?

Can you imagine a USA with 1.50 per gal. gas again? How about cheap electrical power? Or a plastics industry with cheap raw materials again? .85 cent per quart engine oil? Cheap blacktop roads? The list goes on and on and on...

Man made global warming, and fossil fuels.

What a bunch of horse $hit.
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