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Old 07-10-2011, 17:11   #1
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Republican extremism hurts GOP presidential chances

To win the nomination, the Republican
nominee will have moved so far to the right
on fiscal and social issues it will be very hard
to vote for that candidate

Strongly agree: 33%
Mostly agree: 27%
Mostly disagree: 20%
Strongly disagree: 15%
Don't know: 5%

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SELZER & COMPANY Study #2023
1,000 U.S. adults ages 18 and over June 17-20, 2011
Margin of Error: 3.1 percentage points
That's 60% to 35% on both fiscal and social issues.

This is only one poll, but the numbers more or less hold up over time. At most a third of Americans are willing to vote for a right wing extremist. Yet, as the election of Barack Obama proves, most voters will vote for a Muslim communist not even born here.

George Bush didn't run as a right wing extremist, though his administration certainly turned out that way. That he was re-elected in 2004 by the thinnest of margins was probably due to the country not wanting to change horses in the middle of a very serious war. And in part due to the "Swiftboating" of John Kerry. I don't believe the public will be fooled again like that any time soon. It is very likely the uninspiring corporate DINO wins a second term
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Is that all you got Marxist?
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Aw, c'mon, Parnelli, the Repubs are grateful, I'm sure, for the analysis, advice and oh so constructive criticism from an uber left wing nobody. He just has our best interests at heart.
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Yes... they all seem to know what's best for us, don't they?
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Old 07-10-2011, 18:01   #5
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You poor babies and your self-esteem issues.

I'm not trying to help you at all. Why would I? Run Bachmann for all I care.
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Probably a 60% to 35% that your right about 1 thing. The country wont be fooled again. 2 1/2yrs. is all it took for Americans to see that the progressive(extremist) part of the democratic party is worse for Americans than even the extremist rebublican party is.
I would also like clarification on what you consider to be extremist.
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Originally Posted by qwman68 View Post
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I would also like clarification on what you consider to be extremist.
I think anyone who is Republican or a Tea Party supporter would be considered an extremist by free. And if you watch Fox you are on his S**T list for sure. Maybe free will explain what part of being a fiscal and social conservative is bad for America
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Perhaps you all should think about what is being said rather than shooting from the hip. As much as many of those here will vote for Tea Party candidates, they are not in a position to win the presidency, most people do not lean in that direction. The past 30 years proves this, most elections have been very close showing that the middle road leaning towards the right can win the election. McCain didn't win because of 2 issues, Palin (no matter how you feel about her or the media treatment of her, she was in large a turn off to lots of voters) and the fact that the pendulum had swung away from Bush and his policies. Obama won for the same reason that Bush won (realize that his win was ever so slightly and based on electoral and not popular votes) over Gore, people were tired of the Clinton issues ( seem petty now in comparison). Offering a candidate that is not close to mainstream will not win this election, people are unhappy with the same old continuation of the war policies and the lack of vision that has been presented, plus Obama's inability to actually lead with determination. Bachman ain't going to cut it, a Romney style candidate can win this if the entire party can get behind them fully and leave the birther, communist, socialist stuff in the back, again, the large part of America doesn't care much for that. This, like the 2008 election, is for the Republicans to lose, it is by their hand Obama was elected, it will be by their hand again if he is re-elected. Go ahead with with shouts and nonsense now about me and my "so called leanings", I have come to expect little if anything from the group here other than partisan nonsense. Most of America doesn't buy that stuff anyway.
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Originally Posted by maydelleeagle View Post
I think anyone who is Republican or a Tea Party supporter would be considered an extremist by free. And if you watch Fox you are on his S**T list for sure. Maybe free will explain what part of being a fiscal and social conservative is bad for America
Most of America has yet to embrace the Tea Party, not for their being fiscally and socially conservative (for the most part), but for their style and inability to connect with middle America. Too much shouting, anger, and soundbites. If they came across with the same ideals yet in a moderate conservative fashion, they would catch on. 30% isn't going to win this election.
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I hardly see how Americans being angry at our irresponsible and very crooked government for sinking the country into debt is ""extremist"".

In fact it is not only patriotic, but a very healthy sign that there is still hope.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
That's 60% to 35% on both fiscal and social issues.

This is only one poll, but the numbers more or less hold up over time. At most a third of Americans are willing to vote for a right wing extremist. Yet, as the election of Barack Obama proves, most voters will vote for a Muslim communist not even born here.

George Bush didn't run as a right wing extremist, though his administration certainly turned out that way. That he was re-elected in 2004 by the thinnest of margins was probably due to the country not wanting to change horses in the middle of a very serious war. And in part due to the "Swiftboating" of John Kerry. I don't believe the public will be fooled again like that any time soon. It is very likely the uninspiring corporate DINO wins a second term
Did Johnny boy ever pay his taxes on that new yacht?

Funny how we see so many so-called "democrats" trying to wiggle out of paying taxes..........
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As I see it the perception of what is mainstream has moved left to an alarming extent over the past 30 years or so. What is now claimed to be "extreme" wasn't always so. I really can't be bothered with middle America's opinion and what passes for "moderate." If we don't pull this nation back to the right and educate folks in the difference between black and white, right and wrong ( and yes, that may be determined) then we are bound to ride this nation down to the ash heap of history as yet another successful nation that lost it's way and foundered. There's no time for patience with insipid moderates and their notions of shades of gray. There's no time for patience with stupid and evil liberals and their socialism and excessive, abusive governmental control.
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Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
As I see it the perception of what is mainstream has moved left to an alarming extent over the past 30 years or so. What is now claimed to be "extreme" wasn't always so. I really can't be bothered with middle America's opinion and what passes for "moderate." If we don't pull this nation back to the right and educate folks in the difference between black and white, right and wrong ( and yes, that may be determined) then we are bound to ride this nation down to the ash heap of history as yet another successful nation that lost it's way and foundered. There's no time for patience with insipid moderates and their notions of shades of gray. There's no time for patience with stupid and evil liberals and their socialism and excessive, abusive governmental control.
Boy, you said a mouthful there, and all sad but true.
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30% isn't going to cut it, if the Republican party doesn't pull middle-America, they cannot win. Local can do it but a national election is practically impossible.
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Originally Posted by gossman View Post
Too much shouting, anger, and soundbites. If they came across with the same ideals yet in a moderate conservative fashion, they would catch on.
That quote is wrong and it proves you dont know anything about the tea party. Im glad the left is scared and taking swipes at something they dont like. Good. I have attended several tea parties where there was lots of shouting in anger over the presidents policies. I consider that good politics. If we dont come together how are we supposed to stop a socialist person in the executive office from ruining this country?
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Originally Posted by qwman68 View Post
I would also like clarification on what you consider to be extremist.
Refusing to accept facts that run counter to one's wishes, or to the party line.
Insisting that what is false is true and that what is true is false.
Contempt for justice.
Dirty Harry and bmcgilvray are examples.
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Originally Posted by qwman68 View Post
If we dont come together how are we supposed to stop a socialist person in the executive office from ruining this country?
Obama is not a socialist. Yet you continue to insist he is.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Obama is not a socialist. Yet you continue to insist he is.
You are partially right, he's more of a marxist leaning socialist.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Obama is not a socialist. Yet you continue to insist he is.
We'll place this over here too.


socialism |ˈsō sh əˌlizəm|
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
policy or practice based on this theory.
(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.
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Originally Posted by qwman68 View Post
That quote is wrong and it proves you dont know anything about the tea party. Im glad the left is scared and taking swipes at something they dont like. Good. I have attended several tea parties where there was lots of shouting in anger over the presidents policies. I consider that good politics. If we dont come together how are we supposed to stop a socialist person in the executive office from ruining this country?
Mainstream America is what votes in the President. Tea Party is not attractive to mainstream middle America. Ignore the facts, until they can pull in more than a minority of Republicans, it isn't going to happen. And not all people enjoy the shouting.

Your comment doesn't maintain continuity. 1st sentance you claim I don't know what I am talking about then in the next phrase you say that it's good politics that they are shouting in anger over policies. Make up your mind, do they shout in anger or not? Then you actually repeat what I said as your thought in your last paragraph. And you say I don't know what I am talking about?

BTW, I am not scared about the Tea Party or any other party. I have given up on the Republicans since they have sold their souls to Wall Street and care more about partisan politics than they do fixing the country. The Democrats are too busy snatching defeat from the jaws of victory to even notice. 3 on-going wars and now saber rattling at the Iranians, end those and we might actually be able to take the savings and apply them towards the debt.
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Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
We'll place this over here too.


socialism |ˈsō sh əˌlizəm|
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a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
• policy or practice based on this theory.
• (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.


Under your most loose of all possible definitions of socialism, the Constitution of the United States of America is a socialist document.

Commerce Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read it and weep.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Obama is not a socialist. Yet you continue to insist he is.
Obama is a socialist. Yet you continue to insist he isn't.
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Originally Posted by higgite View Post
Obama is a socialist. Yet you continue to insist he isn't.
Then under your (inaccurate) definition of socialism, the United States of America was founded as a socialist country, so quit yer complainin'.
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Ok then Freesw, you define socialism for us. Let's see it. It's time to show us what you know about socialism.

You are the weirdest person for attempting to refute the irrefutable.
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I still say you dont know jack about tea parties. I still think its ok to shout out loud over ignorant policies. I dont really care what you have given up on. Thats your problem. This administration will go down as the worst in American history. There's something you can hang your hat on.
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