For crying out frickin' loud again! The excerpt is from an article that leaves NO DOUBT how the intelligence was obtained. Do yourself a favor and read the whole linked article. You won't look so much the fool when discussing it with your friends.
The excerpt leaves all the doubt in the world. Why don't you heed your own advice, so YOU won't look the fool next time?
From YOUR article:
Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.
You really should excerpt all the relevant parts if you're trying to make a point based on an article's contents. And reading the whole thing would be a plus, too.
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Is "kenyan" a race, and even if it was, how is it "racist" ?
It is no more racist than calling a Mexican a Mexican or a German a German.
Many believe that Obama was born in Kenya. Free, you are so enamored with this president that you can't see what he is, that is a socialist.
Yes he gave the order to proceed in the killing of Bin Laden after he was found, but the order to find and kill him was given a long time ago, remember he has had a bounty on his head for a long time.
Since I am a white male, I am attracted to white females (prefer milky white skin too) hence forth and so on I am not attracted to brown, black, yellow or other skin colors.
It is no more racist than calling a Mexican a Mexican or a German a German.
Many believe that Obama was born in Kenya. Free, you are so enamored with this president that you can't see what he is, that is a socialist.
Yes he gave the order to proceed in the killing of Bin Laden after he was found, but the order to find and kill him was given a long time ago, remember he has had a bounty on his head for a long time.
Thank god for water boarding and the informants at gitmo.
i think Obama should be given credit for doing what any Republican president would have done. Freesw, it seems that Leon Panetta is sugesting that some of the intelligence that led to finding Osama was obtained using enhanced interrogation techniques that were used during Bush's presidency. Bush should also be given credit. Thanks to our sailors for not taking Osama alive. AG Holder would have kissed his behind in civilian court.
It's probably better that he's dead. The only reason not to have shot him on the spot would be to interrogate him, but who knows why they didn't make it a priority to take him alive since now we're being told he wasn't armed, but that he somehow resisted. I won't lose any sleep over it. His end was quick, more than he allowed thousands of his victims.
Originally Posted by migyver
it seems that Leon Panetta is sugesting that some of the intelligence that led to finding Osama was obtained using enhanced interrogation techniques that were used during Bush's presidency.
I'm hearing just the opposite, that the information about the courier was obtained long after the waterboarding ceased. I suppose one could argue that the waterboarding helped to break what's his name's will to resist, but the time frame I've heard is it was over a year later, so I'm really not at all convinced the waterboarding helped. In fact, just from what we've heard so far, a stronger case could be made that the torture stiffened his resolve, and that he was more responsive to the conventional interrogation method. So, would he have talked sooner had they not tortured him? It sure does seem possible.
But ultimately that's really besides the point. The point is, what kind of people are we.
Don’t Worry: Osama Was Shot in Accordance with Islamic Tradition
"I know what was probably the first thing to go through your mind when you heard the news that Osama bin Laden had been killed: Was his dead body handled properly according to Islamic tradition? Well, on behalf of the U.S. government, I am happy to tell you that yes, it absolutely was.
I think in these situations, the most important thing to us is showing religious respect. We didn’t like how Osama was responsible for murdering thousands of innocent men, women, and children, but that was just one aspect of the man. Another aspect was that he was a Muslim — and that was a good part of him that we greatly respect. Because Islam is a great religion. Really great. Personally, I don’t practice it, but others do, and they really seem to like it. So, while we didn’t like the terrorist side of Osama, I think everyone understands that we still need to celebrate the Muslim side of him and give it the respect it deserves"
Since I am a white male, I am attracted to white females (prefer milky white skin too) hence forth and so on I am not attracted to brown, black, yellow or other skin colors.
Of course you're not racist for that. You're racist because you judge people on the basis of their race, and call for treating people differently on that basis. And for your nearly constant race-baiting. And then there is the Klan thread, and others, in which you dismiss violence against non-whites and claim to justify that because of instances of violence committed against whites by non-whites. Rather than agree all such violence is reprehensible and criminal and ought to be punished to the full extent of the law, you save your outrage for the white victims of violence committed by non-whites. All of this adds up to an obvious pattern. You make no effort to conceal it so you might as well just admit it.
Even the way you phrased your trollish question,
Originally Posted by Dirty Harry
Since I am a white male, I am attracted to white females (prefer milky white skin too) hence forth and so on I am not attracted to brown, black, yellow or other skin colors.
with its assumption that as "a white male" you are "attracted to white females ... and not attracted to ... other skin colors," "henceforth and so on," would seem, particularly based on the totality of your other posts, to make it clear you view this not only as your personal preference, but the natural order and the way it ought to be. If I misunderstand, I'm sure you'll set the record straight. Here is my question: How do you view inter-racial relationships and marriage?
Just speaking for myself but the Marxist "train-wreck-in-chief" doesn't deserve a pass just because we happened to get Bin Laden while he is sitting in the oval office. Our president is still loathsome, still in somebody's hip pocket, and is still less intelligent than the fawning media portrays him to be.
Obama had no choice except to make the so-called "tough decision" he made. Seven months planning without a leak is phenomenal, and everyone involved deserves much credit. But, if he had not authorized the raid, everybody knows that word would eventually leak out that he gave bin Ladin a pass. At that point, Ronald McDonald could beat him in 2012. It was really a no brainer for him once the pieces fell together. With the intel he had in front of him, not going after bin Ladin would have been political suicide.
Higgite, you are exactly right. He had no choice.He had to do exactly what any Republican president would have done. However, he will never get my vote in 2012 .
Spin around in circles all you like, but the fact is Obama didn't get sidetracked from the mission of decapitating Al Qaeda, and for that he deservedly gets credit.
Spin on, you haters, you would-be genocidal butchers, but this is one campaign promise Obama fulfilled and you just have to sit there and take it. Yes I take deep satisfaction in it, just as I know it rankles you.
Obama didn't personally do it, it is true. But he didn't prevent it, either, and in your bottomless hate for Obama, you would have had us all believe Obama is the kind of person who would have prevented it. That is how sick you are. Day after day the two of you, and you Dirty Harry for years, have claimed Obama will do anything to destroy America. You will continue to claim it, because that is the kind of liar you are. But the evidence will show this is a clear success for Obama's Afghanistan/Pakistan policies.
Obama couldn't have prevented it - Bin Laden died in late 2001 of Marfan's syndrome. All this latest hubris is just an election stunt. You can be damn sure if Osama had just been found and killed that his body would have been held up like a trophy - not whisked away and 'buried at sea.' Soon we'll be presented with a cleverly produced digital film 'showing his demise' - it'll be as real as Avatar.
Obama couldn't have prevented it - Bin Laden died in late 2001 of Marfan's syndrome. All this latest hubris is just an election stunt. You can be damn sure if Osama had just been found and killed that his body would have been held up like a trophy - not whisked away and 'buried at sea.' Soon we'll be presented with a cleverly produced digital film 'showing his demise' - it'll be as real as Avatar.
Looks like that meets the criteria of the O.P. closer than anything else posted. Not that I agree with it but it really wouldn't surprise me if it was close to being true. The plutocracy plays fast with the American people over much more trivial things.
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From the possible candidates being thrusted forth at this time, he would be the better choice than Trump or the rest of the chumps. Obama will be tough to beat if there are no viable candidates.
__________________ "I have no issues with people of all types being here, I do have a problem with the more extreme ends of any spectrum trying to dominate and push out moderates and opposites." Bill Plein
CIA director Leon Panetta has confirmed torture played no role in the key intelligence coup that led to Osama bin Laden. In a letter to Republican Senator John McCain, Panetta says the U.S. first learned the name of bin Laden’s courier, Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, from a prisoner not in CIA custody in 2002. Panetta adds that some prisoners subjected to torture "attempted to provide false or misleading information" about Kuwaiti. Panetta concludes, "In the end, no detainee in CIA custody revealed the facilitator/courier’s full true name or specific whereabouts. This information was discovered through other intelligence means."
And in the end, all the sadists' sound and fury signifies ... nothing.
Truth of the matter is your president gave a mission the go ahead that was in the making when obama was still a community communist. Im actually stunned the ignorant SOB did it to be honest. The military and our intelligence organizations deserve the credit. Not your america hating scumbag president.
Truth of the matter is your president gave a mission the go ahead that was in the making when obama was still a community communist. Im actually stunned the ignorant SOB did it to be honest. The military and our intelligence organizations deserve the credit. Not your america hating scumbag president.
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."
By the way, every single serviceman recognizes that Obama is the Commander and Chief and at the top of the chain of command. Your comment of "america hating scumbag president" is laughable it is so full of exaggeration. He is the POTUS so he is all of our's as president whether we like it or not, and though he is many things, so far he has not shown himself to be America (that always should start with a upper case letter) hating president. He may have a differing opinion on the direction of where he thinks the country should be steered but that does not qualify it as being hateful towards America. I find it hard to believe when adults allow themselves to caught up in such ignorance, especially willingly.
__________________ "I have no issues with people of all types being here, I do have a problem with the more extreme ends of any spectrum trying to dominate and push out moderates and opposites." Bill Plein
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."
By the way, every single serviceman recognizes that Obama is the Commander and Chief and at the top of the chain of command. Your comment of "america hating scumbag president" is laughable it is so full of exaggeration. He is the POTUS so he is all of our's as president whether we like it or not, and though he is many things, so far he has not shown himself to be America (that always should start with a upper case letter) hating president. He may have a differing opinion on the direction of where he thinks the country should be steered but that does not qualify it as being hateful towards America. I find it hard to believe when adults allow themselves to caught up in such ignorance, especially willingly.
I stand by my comments welfare boy.
Oh and FYI no body here but free gives half a tiny **** what you think of me or anything else. '' hey man i get my money from a former employer willingly becouse of collective bargaining agreements.'' I doubt its willingly you sponge.
) hence forth and so on I am not attracted to brown, black, yellow or other skin colors. 
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