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Originally Posted by planeoldguy View Post
I have listened to Hitlers translations, You have to be a total imbecile not to draw a comparison.
Unbelievable.
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I hope the country succeeds.

I hope the economy manages to succeed in spite of government meddling (neither too much or too little regulation, thank you very much. Bankers have proven exceedingly dangerous when handling money unfettered.).

I hope Obama succeeds in reducing our dependence on oil, period. Having to suck on the Arab petroleum tit is a serious national security handicap.

I hope Obama does not bankrupt coal, castrate our military, or tax us peons into oblivion. The bailouts and guarantees need to be thoughtful and restrained. Keeping a sleeping technological dinosaur like GM et al afloat may just be dragging us down. I suspect the banking industry is also.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Hitler was no socialist. Only revisionists and those that fall for their claims believe he was. Many of the revisionists themselves know better.

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"Night of the Long Knives"
Himmler's ascendancy came after the purge of the S.A. under Ernst Röhm. In 1933, Röhm's troops numbered over four million men, arousing fears among army leaders that they might replace the regular army (Wehrmacht). Röhm also wanted radical social and economic changes which were unacceptable to industrialists and other conservative groups whose support Hitler needed. A power struggle brought Himmler and Göring together against Rohm. They told Hitler that Rohm was plotting against him and urged drastic action. It came on June 30, 1934, the "Night of the Long Knives," when Röhm and several hundred men in the S.A. and a number of marked men, branded as traitors, were murdered. Hitler made much of the depraved morals of the men who were killed and the danger they posed to the state. The cabinet legalized this slaughter as a necessary measure for the defense of the state, and Hitler and Göring were thanked by Hindenburg. The army, of course, was pleased with the elimination of the S.A. as its rival, but showed itself unwilling or incapable of challenging the gangster-like powers under Hitler's control."


Nor is Obama a socialist.
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You sir are incorrect. The Nazis were the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...E2%80%99_Party

You sir are the one purveying revisionist history. Obama is an admittedly self avowed Socialist, he just uses the term "Progressive" to make it more palatable.
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He is succeeding at bipartisanship. His stimulus package received a bipartisan vote today in the House of Reps.

A bipartisan vote AGAINST it. Eleven dems broke with their Euro-socialist comrades and voted with the republicans against this pork-laden, big government, spending spree that will do very little to stimulate the economy.
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They just can't help themselves. Pork that is.
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They just can't help themselves. Pork that is.
To bad John McCain isn't president, at least he was against pork barrel spending.
Oh well its just another $850 billion we'll all have to pay back, no biggie.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
I see you share mnottfam's erroneous thinking.

Since you claim to have listened to Hitler's speeches, you at least should know better.
I could say the same. Hitler and Obama both share the same message, Blame someone, Jews, corperate CEOS, republicans, then convince people that a whooping rhino of a central governmant is the answer, cementing your parties hold on power. The main difference is, obama's not burning buildings and shooting peole to do it.
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I could say the same. Hitler and Obama both share the same message, Blame someone, Jews, corperate CEOS, republicans, then convince people that a whooping rhino of a central governmant is the answer, cementing your parties hold on power. The main difference is, obama's not burning buildings and shooting peole to do it.
Thats really an interesting comparison.
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Bill O'Reilly has a poll on his website to find out the opinions of his listeners on various topics.

Here is the most recent completed poll question:

Question:
Are you rooting for Barack Obama to succeed?

Answer:
Yes 60%
No 40%

Total Votes: 65,883

http://www.billoreilly.com/site/Survey?action=viewlastsurvey
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Whether we want Obama to succeed or not is irrelevant. Much to the obvious dismay of the thread creator here (also known as "the snake in the grass") Obama's success will have absolutely nothing to do with the desire of the people. Desire is irrelevant. If he governs as a liberal (and he's already started doing so) he WILL fail. Liberalism has always failed and is in point of fact simply incompatible with human nature. It has never worked and never will.

At a basic level, it's a stupid question. "Do you want him to succeed?" Suceed at what? Be considered a successful President? The constantly-fellating media will say that no matter what. Do I want him to succeed at implementing all of his far-left policies? I certainly hope not, but I have no control over that. The braindead-liberal majorities in Congress will see that they are implemented. Do I want his liberal policies to succeed after they are passed in Congress? This is where it becomes irrelevant. What I want does not matter. Liberal policies don't succeed. That's the end of the story.
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Originally Posted by DiN_BLiX View Post
I could say the same. Hitler and Obama both share the same message, Blame someone, Jews, corperate CEOS, republicans, then convince people that a whooping rhino of a central governmant is the answer, cementing your parties hold on power. The main difference is, obama's not burning buildings and shooting peole to do it.
You either don't know the differences, though you claim to understand, or you just don't care. Either way, that's pitiful.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
You either don't know the differences, though you claim to understand, or you just don't care. Either way, that's pitiful.
I'm honestly confused - are you defending Hitler, Obama, or both?
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
You either don't know the differences, though you claim to understand, or you just don't care. Either way, that's pitiful.
You sir are either naive or on medication. Either ay were screwed, the porkulious bill will pass, well print a trillion more dollars, our economy will continue to suck, the media will continue to force feed us Obama this- Obama that, our enemies around the world know this guys is a joke, and they wont wait long to prove it. So yes free, I HOPE HE FAILS, I hope his policies blow up in his face, I hope people wake up and see what con job he and the media have ran on them. Sorry if Im not "enlightined" enough to see the value of worshipping Obama by ignoring the serious flaws in his plan, Obviously I skipped school the day they taught comformity and obediance.
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So much for the Hitler analogy.

Knowing your history has nothing to do with "conformity and obedience." It has everything to do with honesty and truth. Claiming there are any but possibly the most superficial of similarities between Obama and Hitler is neither honest nor true (yeah, they're both politicians, both are considered by many to be effective speakers, both have been called "socialists," though neither really were/are, for very different reasons).

There is no integrity in holding crackpot opinions for shock value.

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There is no integrity in holding crackpot opinions for shock value.
Are you talking to yourself again? At least you have your location right.
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....and as the thread sinks slowly from Godwinism into the Pit of Despair...
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Originally Posted by markw76 View Post
....and as the thread sinks slowly from Godwinism into the Pit of Despair...
..........and you thought it was going where?

The whole thing was spawned from a failed premise, derived from a flawed out of context quote. Were you hoping two negatives would produce a positive?
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..........and you thought it was going where?

The whole thing was spawned from a failed premise, derived from a flawed out of context quote. Were you hoping two negatives would produce a positive?
Yeah free got Pwned.
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Limbaugh's the same radio comedian who every day said America was "held hostage" during the Clinton years. It's clear many of Limbaugh's listeners are just as lacking in the perspective department as he is.

Such things are a big joke to Limbaugh, and his bad example made it easy for some of his listeners to now make the most grotesque historical misstatements imaginable, such as those comparing Obama to Hitler.

Limbaugh does not represent conservatism, but rather a degenerate parody of it. If the GOP wants to be marginalized for years to come, there is no better route to that end than marching to Limbaugh's depraved drum.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Limbaugh's the same radio comedian who every day said America was "held hostage" during the Clinton years. It's clear many of Limbaugh's listeners are just as lacking in the perspective department as he is.

Such things are a big joke to Limbaugh, and his bad example made it easy for some of his listeners to now make the most grotesque historical misstatements imaginable, such as those comparing Obama to Hitler.

Limbaugh does not represent conservatism, but rather a degenerate parody of it. If the GOP wants to be marginalized for years to come, there is no better route to that end than marching to Limbaugh's depraved drum.

Ah Ha! So your just as scared of Rush as obama is.....thats all I needed to know.

I hope for Rush's success, not his failure. Please don't hate on Rush.
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You so funny.

(CNN) – Radio host Rush Limbaugh said Monday that President Obama is “frightened of me.”
Rush says a lot things.

What's funny is that you believe Obama's success is the right-wing's failure, and I believe Rush's success is the GOP's failure.

Rush can't "fail." His worshipers are every bit as smitten - and have been for far longer - as any Obamaniac. Rush is very good at what he does, which is grab attention. He's a class clown. The only way Rush can "fail" would be if he runs out of ways to cause disgust among his detractors and guffaws among his fans. So far, there is no sign of either. His only potential problem is that his audience does develop a tolerance for his schtick, so he has to continue to crank up the levels of outrage and ridicule lest he risk audience boredom kicking in. But for now, millions of listeners tune in for their daily fix. Is this cause for fear? I don't see why. He's only effective politically in keeping his listeners on the same page wrt talking-points, and putting pressure on Republicans who think for themselves. He's only a problem for independent Republicans (Republicans independent of Rush, that is).

Most swing voters are turned off by him once they get past the initial fascination with his undeniable talent. It's a shame he put it to such bad use, it really is.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
You so funny.



Rush says a lot things.

What's funny is that you believe Obama's success is the right-wing's failure, and I believe Rush's success is the GOP's failure.

Rush can't "fail." His worshipers are every bit as smitten - and have been for far longer - as any Obamaniac. Rush is very good at what he does, which is grab attention. He's a class clown. The only way Rush can "fail" would be if he runs out of ways to cause disgust among his detractors and guffaws among his fans. So far, there is no sign of either. His only potential problem is that his audience does develop a tolerance for his schtick, so he has to continue to crank up the levels of outrage and ridicule lest he risk audience boredom kicking in. But for now, millions of listeners tune in for their daily fix. Is this cause for fear? I don't see why. He's only effective politically in keeping his listeners on the same page wrt talking-points, and putting pressure on Republicans who think for themselves. He's only a problem for independent Republicans (Republicans independent of Rush, that is).

Most swing voters are turned off by him once they get past the initial fascination with his undeniable talent. It's a shame he put it to such bad use, it really is.
Rush attracts an audience because he provides witty commentary on the political events of the day. He says alot of things that many people are thinking. Most of Rush's listeners are conservative, which helps them build an initial trust in his commentary. Once you have that, many listeners tune in to him to get the real story behind many political events they simply don't have the time to study.

Take something like the "Fair Pay Act." What it really does is open the door for lawyers to sue. Equal pay already exists in today's society, but giving the bill a title like that (who would oppose "fair pay?") helps get people "supporting" the measure even if they have no idea what it is about. Take the massive government spending bill mistitled a "stimulus package." The list goes on, but the point is Rush (and others like him) help educate the public on the real story behind these things.

Rush would "fail" if Obama's intended policy path (liberalism/socialism) produced success for the United States. He would lose his credibility since what he preached would not be the only viable solution. In reality, of course, liberalism is not compatible with human nature and can't succeed. Obama's "failure" will represent only what history has already repeatedly shown will happen with liberal policy. It does not represent the success of the conservative movement - only the inherent failure of liberal orthodoxy.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
You so funny.



Rush says a lot things.

What's funny is that you believe Obama's success is the right-wing's failure, and I believe Rush's success is the GOP's failure.

Rush can't "fail." His worshipers are every bit as smitten - and have been for far longer - as any Obamaniac. Rush is very good at what he does, which is grab attention. He's a class clown. The only way Rush can "fail" would be if he runs out of ways to cause disgust among his detractors and guffaws among his fans. So far, there is no sign of either. His only potential problem is that his audience does develop a tolerance for his schtick, so he has to continue to crank up the levels of outrage and ridicule lest he risk audience boredom kicking in. But for now, millions of listeners tune in for their daily fix. Is this cause for fear? I don't see why. He's only effective politically in keeping his listeners on the same page wrt talking-points, and putting pressure on Republicans who think for themselves. He's only a problem for independent Republicans (Republicans independent of Rush, that is).

Most swing voters are turned off by him once they get past the initial fascination with his undeniable talent. It's a shame he put it to such bad use, it really is.

He he...... Rush sure has you in an uproar, and he doesn't even hold a political office.









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Palin/Limbaugh '12? That would be a good matchup. It would generate incredible buzz (and consternation), and settle the issue of our time.
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Originally Posted by FS7 View Post
Rush attracts an audience because he provides witty commentary on the political events of the day. He says alot of things that many people are thinking. Most of Rush's listeners are conservative, which helps them build an initial trust in his commentary. Once you have that, many listeners tune in to him to get the real story behind many political events they simply don't have the time to study.

Take something like the "Fair Pay Act." What it really does is open the door for lawyers to sue. Equal pay already exists in today's society, but giving the bill a title like that (who would oppose "fair pay?") helps get people "supporting" the measure even if they have no idea what it is about. Take the massive government spending bill mistitled a "stimulus package." The list goes on, but the point is Rush (and others like him) help educate the public on the real story behind these things.

Rush would "fail" if Obama's intended policy path (liberalism/socialism) produced success for the United States. He would lose his credibility since what he preached would not be the only viable solution. In reality, of course, liberalism is not compatible with human nature and can't succeed. Obama's "failure" will represent only what history has already repeatedly shown will happen with liberal policy. It does not represent the success of the conservative movement - only the inherent failure of liberal orthodoxy.
You make an excellent point FS7!!!! Rush and many others like him tell the important stories that truly matter to America, obama and his ilk, want him silenced.
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