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Old 11-03-2010, 21:28   #1
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Choate M4 Stock and then some

One complaint I've heard from multiple sources against the new Ruger Mini-30 Tactical is the apparent lack of tactical features, such as a pistol grip and collapsible stock. So I figured I'd play with this one a little bit and see how it turned out.

Choate Machine & Tool sent me their new Mini-14/M4 stock for testing on the Tac-30, featuring Choate's M4 style five-position telescoping buttstock assembly. Buttstock has dual compartments for batteries and a rubber nonslip butt pad. Included also is a barrel liner and receiver reinforcement. I'm 6'2" and found only the first three positions usable, as the last two made the length of pull too long. Barreled action dropped in easily and without modification.


Amega Ranges sent me their Mini-Scout-Mount III to include in the project. Included was their Mini-14 mount and Tactical Light Mount Kit, which consists of one 2-in and 4-in 1913 Picatinny rail adapter and all necessary mounting hardware.


For the primary optic, Burris sent their 2.75x Scout scope with their low-height 1-inch diameter XTR scope rings.





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Old 11-03-2010, 21:29   #2
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For the secondary optic, Burris sent their FastFire II mini-holographic sight along with a Picatinny Protector Mount. As a backup, this optic will be mounted offset on the right side.






The project has evolved into a weapon of mass destruction.




After assembly the Mini-30 bears little resemblance to its original form. With the modifications, the Mini-30 Tac can be considered a true tactical platform. The transformation from a stock Mini-30 Tactical to the 'Tac-30' is complete.
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Old 11-03-2010, 22:08   #3
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Nice! Looks very front-heavy tho...
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Old 11-04-2010, 03:09   #4
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i could so use one of those fast fire dots...
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Old 11-04-2010, 06:08   #6
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It looks like a pretty well thought out stock design.

I hope they let you keep them after the work out, especially the scopes.

You must be a writer for someone.

Let us know how it handles as well as the accuracy. I like the fact that it comes with the inside stock locating bracket. It should make for a better lock up by positioning the stock and action.

It also has a good looking forward picitinny rail. Is it made of aluminum and have they said anything about the price they are going to sell them at ?

It sounds like they just need to add one more locking notch for the buttstock. That is why it's a good idea for them to send some out for testing, others come up with ideas or find something that they may have Missed.
It does look a little front heavy, but the Burris helo sight is very light weight and anytime you have a scout type configuration, it's always going to be a little front heavy, but at 6'2", I'll bet you can handle it.

Have fun testing, I'd tell them you need at least 1000 rounds of ammo to put it through it's paces.

The only thing I see that I don't care for is the way the color of the stock has the variations in it due to their molding process. A solid black without the differences in color would make the stock look better. I've always though stocks molded that way look a little cheap, but that's just my 2 cents. It's something you might want to pass along to the manufacturer. Other than painting it, I'm not sure there would be much they could do. It's just a result of how they mold their stocks.
It does look like the design team gave some thought to it.
I'm just glad to see more accessories for the Mini. The more that come on the market, the more likely I may have some luck in getting some manufacturers to make some internal parts.

I'd like to see the Mini become the next 10-22 as far as the amount of things available for it.

Best Regards, John K

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I have thread on other forums with a review of the rifle, hope y'all don't mind a link to it - http://rugerforum.net/ruger-semi-aut...-tac-30-a.html
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Originally Posted by dkac2 View Post
It also has a good looking forward picitinny rail. Is it made of aluminum and have they said anything about the price they are going to sell them at ?

It sounds like they just need to add one more locking notch for the buttstock. That is why it's a good idea for them to send some out for testing, others come up with ideas or find something that they may have Missed.
It does look a little front heavy, but the Burris helo sight is very light weight and anytime you have a scout type configuration, it's always going to be a little front heavy, but at 6'2", I'll bet you can handle it.

Have fun testing, I'd tell them you need at least 1000 rounds of ammo to put it through it's paces.

The only thing I see that I don't care for is the way the color of the stock has the variations in it due to their molding process. A solid black without the differences in color would make the stock look better. I've always though stocks molded that way look a little cheap, but that's just my 2 cents. It's something you might want to pass along to the manufacturer. Other than painting it, I'm not sure there would be much they could do. It's just a result of how they mold their stocks.
It does look like the design team gave some thought to it.
I'm just glad to see more accessories for the Mini. The more that come on the market, the more likely I may have some luck in getting some manufacturers to make some internal parts.

I'd like to see the Mini become the next 10-22 as far as the amount of things available for it.

Best Regards, John K
Yes the MSMIII is anodized aluminum. Not sure the cost, its from amegaranges.com.

The 5 positions are really all thats needed, the last 2 are really unusable for me. The weight is not bad at all, I haven't weighed it yet but the scope is lightweight and the FFII is so light.

It may be just the pic but the stock is just black, I see no color variations, just black.
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Originally Posted by star View Post
1. Does choate plan a folding stock model. If so sign me up.
2.Is their anyway to top mout the fast fire. I cannot get used to off set mounts like that.
3. any chance the can offer it in OD green like some of their other stocks?(or flat dark earth)
have the new mini 30 and love it.

Also how does the the 2.75 compare to leuopold 2 x scopes? I currently have an old M-8 mounted on a 30 carbine and love it.
Choate does make a side folding stock for it - http://www.riflestock.com/catalog_pa...3&NewProduct=0

Yes, I mounted the FFII on the top rail and it is nice, I will have to take a pic that way and attach it. It sit nice and low and still allows for a good cheek weld.

I don't know if Choate plans to mold these stocks in other colors, but it would be nice to have them in OD and FDE, I would want the FDE for mine.

I think Burris glass is as good if not better than Leupold glass.
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Old 11-04-2010, 15:04   #10
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Originally Posted by dkac2 View Post
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I'd like to see the Mini become the next 10-22 as far as the amount of things available for it.
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yes!

firing pins, firing pins, firing pins!

and interchangable bolt?

drop in user-changable barrels?

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not gonna happen.
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Old 11-04-2010, 20:15   #11
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Originally Posted by SRPatriot View Post
Not bad. What I want to know is how do you get all these vendors to send you stuff? For me there's always a credit card involved - mine
I asked them if they would like to add their stuff to a T&E review.
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Old 11-04-2010, 20:29   #12
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is the Choate tele adaptor (the square block thingey) made of aluminum or plastic?
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Originally Posted by guncats View Post
is the Choate tele adaptor (the square block thingey) made of aluminum or plastic?
Its not plastic its either aluminum or steel, not sure which, either way its metallic.
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What have they changed on the new Amega Ranges scout rail?
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Originally Posted by Ballistic View Post
What have they changed on the new Amega Ranges scout rail?
Not really sure, this is my first one to handle. But from my understanding the III is designed for 580 & 581 series and for all calibers(5.56,7.62x39,6.8).
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About how long is it fully collapsed?
Is it any shorter that the original stock?
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Originally Posted by Boner Stallone View Post
About how long is it fully collapsed?
Is it any shorter that the original stock?
Yes, fully collapsed it is shorter than an original wooden stock.

Here are my measurements:

Wooden stock = 28.375 in

Choate M4 - position 1 = 27.625 in (fully collapsed)
2 = 28.5 in
3 = 29.375 in
4 = 30.125 in
5 = 31 in
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Thanks.
Ive been considering getting one of these stocks for a while now.
I think i may go ahead and order one.

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Originally Posted by Boner Stallone View Post
Thanks.
Ive been considering getting one of these stocks for a while now.
I think i may go ahead and order one.
I only looked at the Tapco before I bought my Choate, so I haven't handled an ATI or any other similar stock for the Mini.

The Choate is much stiffer than the Tapco. The collapsible end is tighter and beefier (it takes a good effort to collapse/extend), and provides a better cheek weld due to its triangular profile. It also has a rubber buttplate. Overall a good feel in my hands.

One potential issue is the fore-end of the stock. Once installed, it can be squeezed together a bit on both sides of the top of the "U", just below the rail (I also have the Amega Ranges rail pictured above). A bedding job may help with this. All of the metal hardware from my wooden stock (the metal "U" that fits into the gas block, the fore-end liner, and the mag well liner) were an easy drop in.

Another is that the trigger group does not drop in as easily as on the wooden stock due to the position of the pistol grip. There is a cutout for it, but I find it easier to pull the receiver out from the stock a little bit, and work the trigger group and the receiver in together the last little bit.

John K mentioned the color variations in the stock. This is due to the fact that the Choate M4 has a semi-rough texture to it, not smooth. So the light reflecting off of it produces the visual effect of a color variation.

I have had a chance to shoot my Mini with this stock and I am pretty impressed by the feel of it. I collapsed it to where it is a longer than the original wood, which I find has too short of a pull for me.

Glad to see Deadduck put this post up as I am working towards a similar configuration for my Mini-14 as he is for his 30, but I will probably start out with the scout scope and swap a red dot or holo sight instead of mounting both at the same time.

I would recommend this stock as one to include in your list of choices for anyone looking for a collapsible pistol grip stock for their Mini.
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can anybody post a close-up picture of the top of that "tele-stock-adaptor" thingey?

and how is the thingey attached to the plastic stock?
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Thanks again geiger.
I tried the tapco stock but had problems with it. The stock wobbling was one of them.
I have a similar setup to you and deadduck except i use an ultimak rail rather than amega.
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Originally Posted by guncats View Post
can anybody post a close-up picture of the top of that "tele-stock-adaptor" thingey?

and how is the thingey attached to the plastic stock?
Haven't taken any close-ups of the metal adapter but I assure you this stock is about a solid as one could be, I have tried to find flaws but can't.
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Thanks for the detailed report. How is the Choate hand guard attached/detached on this stock? One thing I don't like about the ATI stock is having to remove three screws to detach the hand guard.
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Nice components on this rifle ...
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Originally Posted by OneMini View Post
Thanks for the detailed report. How is the Choate hand guard attached/detached on this stock? One thing I don't like about the ATI stock is having to remove three screws to detach the hand guard.
Your question is kinda confusing, the stock is Choate but the handguard is Amega Ranges. Three screws ? For the Choate stock no screw removal is required just the trigger group. The Amega Ranges handguard does require removal of the gas block bolts.
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