M1 Garand Talk The M1 Garand - General Posting

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-26-2010, 02:03   #1
Registered Member
Points: 1,505, Level: 22 Points: 1,505, Level: 22 Points: 1,505, Level: 22
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Last Achievements
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 4
Question SA Garand Tanker

Have a Sprinfiled Armory M1 Garand Ser# 22721XX with all GI parts and stock. The 18" BBL is marked Genesco,Il. 30-06 and dated 10-64. All parts SA GI except trigger housing which is WRA. Op rod also marked SA .

It is in excellent condition. I have had it for 20 yrs, When I bought it from the guy I did not ask where it came from. The receiver is not a reweld nor has any other names or Mfg's on it.

Anyone have any suggestions on things to look for to help answer any ???

WTK any info on it. Value?. Shoots great never jams. If asked will post some pic's
gunner336 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2010, 17:28   #2
Moderator
Points: 10,151, Level: 67 Points: 10,151, Level: 67 Points: 10,151, Level: 67
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Last Achievements
 
Joe Garibaldi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: The Hill
Posts: 2,165
Here's a fact sheet from the Nat'l Park Service, Springfield Armory Nat'l Historic Site. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...g63Og4Fe1gkzfg (the link is a Word document)

It's in Springfield, MA, location of the original Springfield Armory.

After it closed in 1968, the current Springfield Armory Corp. opened in Geneseo (the "-eo" is correct, IIRC), IL.

The tanker is likely USGI quality but not actually an issued item (tankers never were . . . just experiments by the Army, and then commercial modifications of existing M1's). The stamp you described makes me think it was made in '64 by the SA Corp. (in Geneseo) as opposed to the Army (in Springfield), but then again the Army still ran the original armory in '64, and the current SA Corp. didn't start until the 70's. In short, I'm confused, but hope this info will help.

Not sure of the value, but Gunbroker, etc. ought to give you an idea. I'm quite sure it's worth a lot more than what it was 20 years back.

Please post pictures.

Last edited by Joe Garibaldi; 04-26-2010 at 18:22.
Joe Garibaldi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2010, 04:03   #3
Full Member
Points: 12,000, Level: 71 Points: 12,000, Level: 71 Points: 12,000, Level: 71
Activity: 8.2% Activity: 8.2% Activity: 8.2%
Last Achievements
 
Tailgunner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Whittemore, Michigan
Posts: 1,308
More than likely SA (in IL) hacked up a perfectly good 1964 military arsonal rebuild, to crap out another one of their Clankers for the tourest trade.

To the OP, if you get the idea that I don't care for "sporterizing" good samples of classic rifles (Mausers, 1903's, Enfields, Garands, etc) you would be correct.
I can (and do) understand why it was done with the bolt guns, in the 50's and 60's (supply and price), but that has never been the case with the Garand platform (not to mention that the odds of getting one that works properly are very poor)
Tailgunner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2010, 16:40   #4
Moderator
Points: 10,151, Level: 67 Points: 10,151, Level: 67 Points: 10,151, Level: 67
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Last Achievements
 
Joe Garibaldi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: The Hill
Posts: 2,165
Originally Posted by Tailgunner View Post
More than likely SA (in IL) hacked up a perfectly good 1964 military arsonal rebuild,
I thought about that, but it didn't make sense to me bacause:

1. Why would SA (IL) mis-date the barrel? (Assuming it's not a counterfeit, but even so . . .

2. My understanding of the Tankers is that they chopped the barrels rather than replace them. Also, did the originals have similar marks on the barrels? If so, how would SA (IL) obliterate it?

Last edited by Joe Garibaldi; 04-27-2010 at 17:38.
Joe Garibaldi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2010, 17:23   #5
Full Member
Points: 12,000, Level: 71 Points: 12,000, Level: 71 Points: 12,000, Level: 71
Activity: 8.2% Activity: 8.2% Activity: 8.2%
Last Achievements
 
Tailgunner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Whittemore, Michigan
Posts: 1,308
Joe
When the military arms depots rebuilt them they would often replace eroded/worn barrels, stocks, sights, any other parts that required replacment or updating and reparked (they were than put into storage as "ready to issue"). In the early 60's a high percentage of them were rebuilt just this way (Korea put a lot of wear on a lot of rifles) and several arms depots were fully involved in the work.

Mine is a Rock River (RRAD stamped) rebuild, with a IIRC 1963 (might be 64) dated barrel and a contractor made Beech stock (Obermeyer?)

SA purchased a number of these rebuilds, when they were surplused. IOW all they did was take a hacksaw to a otherwise "like new" rifle. They simply added their "stamp" after they finished hacking.

Last edited by Tailgunner; 04-27-2010 at 17:26.
Tailgunner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2010, 18:18   #6
Moderator
Points: 10,151, Level: 67 Points: 10,151, Level: 67 Points: 10,151, Level: 67
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Last Achievements
 
Joe Garibaldi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: The Hill
Posts: 2,165
I re-read not long ago a biography of Chesty Puller, and he bitched mightily about many of the M1's issued when they headed to Korea in a hurry. NO QC . . . just broke them ot of cosmoline and issued them . . . ungraded. A lot had sewer-pipe barrels, and after the fighting I'll bet a lot more were just as bad. So the rebarreling, even into the 60's, makes sense.

But I still don't get how the '64 got stamped along with SA in Geneseo when it didn't exist yet. Maybe the '64 was already there (when it was rebarreled), and SA/Geneseo was added later?

Just guessing, and realizing it may be unknowable. I no longer suspect it was a counterfeit because counterfeiters probably wouldn't do something so confusing.
Joe Garibaldi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2010, 18:39   #7
Full Member
Points: 12,000, Level: 71 Points: 12,000, Level: 71 Points: 12,000, Level: 71
Activity: 8.2% Activity: 8.2% Activity: 8.2%
Last Achievements
 
Tailgunner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Whittemore, Michigan
Posts: 1,308
But I still don't get how the '64 got stamped along with SA in Geneseo when it didn't exist yet. Maybe the '64 was already there (when it was rebarreled), and SA/Geneseo was added later?
That's what I think happened.
Tailgunner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2010, 21:14   #8
Registered Member
Points: 1,505, Level: 22 Points: 1,505, Level: 22 Points: 1,505, Level: 22
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Last Achievements
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 4
M1 tanker

Well have pic's but having trouble loading. Shows BBL marked 10 64 and Genescco, Il or whatever on it. Still trying to load. Reciever is not cut and it is 1944 or 45 SA reciever
gunner336 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2010, 21:25   #9
Registered Member
Points: 1,505, Level: 22 Points: 1,505, Level: 22 Points: 1,505, Level: 22
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Last Achievements
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 4
M1 Tanker

Cannot load Pics. sit says security token missing???????
gunner336 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2010, 03:27   #10
Full Member
Points: 12,000, Level: 71 Points: 12,000, Level: 71 Points: 12,000, Level: 71
Activity: 8.2% Activity: 8.2% Activity: 8.2%
Last Achievements
 
Tailgunner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Whittemore, Michigan
Posts: 1,308
Originally Posted by gunner336 View Post
Cannot load Pics. sit says security token missing???????
Open a (free) account at www.photobucket.com , upload your photo to there, than select & copy the 4th line of code (IMG) and paste that into your post. WaaLaa your photo will appear in the post.
Tailgunner is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 00:18.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.1
All information is copyright by Perfectunion.com unless already under copyright.

This site is Gunny Approved