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Old 07-01-2016, 19:34   #1
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Got my first Garand today and took it shooting!

Something I've wanted for a long time, but just now got around to getting one. I think I got a pretty nice one too. It doesn't look like it has many rounds down the tube. I don't know a lot about them (that's why I'm here), but from what I've been reading this LEAD rebuild is a good find. The Letterkenny rebuilds from the mid 60's are supposedly some of the best. I hope so. I shot 32 rounds today and even with my 64 year old eyes it grouped well at 100 yards. The only problem I had was every now and then the bolt did not pick up a round on the way to the chamber and all I got was a "click". I'm hoping it was because I was using brand new en bloc clips, but I'm not sure about that. If there is something else I should be looking at, please let me know.
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Does your rifle have a new stock? If so, the op-rod may be dragging on it somewhere causing the rifle to short stroke. That would cause feeding failures. Just a thought. I would perform a "tilt test" just to confirm that everything is gliding smoothly. Just google Garand Tilt Test. Also, Garands like grease, so make sure it is lubed properly.
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Does your rifle have a new stock? If so, the op-rod may be dragging on it somewhere causing the rifle to short stroke. That would cause feeding failures. Just a thought. I would perform a "tilt test" just to confirm that everything is gliding smoothly. Just google Garand Tilt Test. Also, Garands like grease, so make sure it is lubed properly.
I'll have to try the tilt test and see if anything is binding. The stock isn't a new one, but that doesn't mean it hasn't always bound up. I was getting one or two fail to feeds at first, but by the fourth clip it seemed to be getting better. Not perfect though. I think I lubed it up pretty well with some automatenfett that I use on my K31, but I'll give it another look and make sure I got it every place I need it.
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my opinion is the feed lips.
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my opinion is the feed lips.
Do you think they need to be opened up a bit or do they wear in?
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Since the M1 uses enbloc clips, I would just try another clip instead of trying to adjust one. They are too cheap to waste time on.
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Grease. In all the right spots.
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It actually turned out to be the loads I had made were too light. I'm loading 4895 and once I got the charge up to around 46.5 grains it began to cycle fine. It must have been short stroking.
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I'm glad it was that simple.
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Originally Posted by Warpspasm View Post
Something I've wanted for a long time, but just now got around to getting one. I think I got a pretty nice one too. It doesn't look like it has many rounds down the tube. I don't know a lot about them (that's why I'm here), but from what I've been reading this LEAD rebuild is a good find. The Letterkenny rebuilds from the mid 60's are supposedly some of the best. I hope so. I shot 32 rounds today and even with my 64 year old eyes it grouped well at 100 yards. The only problem I had was every now and then the bolt did not pick up a round on the way to the chamber and all I got was a "click". I'm hoping it was because I was using brand new en bloc clips, but I'm not sure about that. If there is something else I should be looking at, please let me know.
Got any photos ?!

My experience with the Garand is strictly with a shooting club and strictly for their competition shoots.

As a 30-06 it is not designed for shooting all day long however. It is a big game cartridge adapted in 1906 to pre-WW1 trench warfare. Somebody in the US Army figured out that the next big war was going to be all trench warfare just like Atlanta in the recently past US Civil War. So the bullet was designed as a long range anti personnel sniper round adapted from British big game hunting.

For modern anti personnel the 308 is more than sufficient in the M-14 and the M-40. And it hurts much less.

My shoulder was really hurting after every one of my Garand shooting competitions.

A "good group" in terms of the M-14 is 2 to 3 moa.

A "good group" in terms of the M-40 is 1/2 to 3/4 moa.

You did not say how many moa's you got on target. Just wondering.

An AK-47 gets about 4 moa with a tight new barrel/bore.

So I would define a good group as better than an AK.
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the M1 Garand (and its fellow actions) proved wonderfully reliable and deadly. If your shooting for the left ventricle of a ground hog at 300 meters, then maybe it is not your style. But it worked pretty well and reliably in WWII, Korea, and RVN and killed lots of bad guys...

A standard match rifle? probably not. For most of us, it is just fine. Wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of one...regardless of the caliber,,,
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the M1 Garand (and its fellow actions) proved wonderfully reliable and deadly. If your shooting for the left ventricle of a ground hog at 300 meters, then maybe it is not your style. But it worked pretty well and reliably in WWII, Korea, and RVN and killed lots of bad guys...

A standard match rifle? probably not. For most of us, it is just fine. Wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of one...regardless of the caliber,,,
So therefore a related question would be, with all this vintage, how worn and burned out is the barrel?

The group size will answer that question.

I have actually seen old rifles at the range where the bore is so worn out the bullet tumbles and hits the target sideways.
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Old 08-26-2016, 15:28   #13
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Congratulations on owning a fine rifle.

Glad you figured out it was short stroking. Also glad you use IMR4895. That powder and the Garand go together like ham & eggs. Resist the temptation to experiment with different powders. At best you will see no improvement at worst you may damage the rifle.

If the rifle is well worn you may get by with little or no lubrication. If it is still tight it needs grease in certain places for reliability.

The CMP website used to have detailed instructions on the care and feeding of the M1. The site has changed a lot. Here is a link to a section that should contain maint. info:

Armorer's Corner - Civilian Marksmanship ProgramCivilian Marksmanship Program

The CMP discussion has a lot of M1 fanatics who can help out as well.
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Originally Posted by hks95134 View Post
...As a 30-06 it is not designed for shooting all day long however. It is a big game cartridge adapted in 1906 to pre-WW1 trench warfare...
The .30-06 cartridge was developed by the U.S. military, as an improvement on the military .30-03 (1903) rimless cartridge, which was a replacement for the rimmed .30-40 Krag, another military cartridge.

If your shoulder hurts after an M1 match, try bullets lighter than 150 grs. At 100-200 yds, the 110-135 gr spire bullets shoot quite well.
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...Also glad you use IMR4895. That powder and the Garand go together like ham & eggs. Resist the temptation to experiment with different powders. At best you will see no improvement at worst you may damage the rifle.

If the rifle is well worn you may get by with little or no lubrication. If it is still tight it needs grease in certain places for reliability...
Many handloaders get better accuracy in the M1 with IMR4064 powder. Varget is another good powder for M1 Garand loads.

I would recommend at least a bit of light grease on the bolt lugs and the several other designated lubrication points to minimize wear.
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Many handloaders get better accuracy in the M1 with IMR4064 powder. Varget is another good powder for M1 Garand loads.

I would recommend at least a bit of light grease on the bolt lugs and the several other designated lubrication points to minimize wear.
I use Varget and its a great powder for the M1, mine anyway. Once I got the sights dialed in and settled in for some load testing I was getting respectable groups from most of my test loads and right at 3"@100yrds with my best. I have some loads using IMR-4895 and 155gr Sierra Matchkings. The bullets I used in my Varget loads was just plain 150gr Hornady FMJ. A better bullet might improve that grouping.
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I remember when Kmart used to sell those in the Sporting Goods Dept. for $89. Your choice, hand select out of the barrel.
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