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Old 05-21-2010, 17:03   #1
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Possible Ammo, Rifle or Shooter Problem

I don't want any legal problems with Federal Ammo company, Henry Rifles or the Shooter, but I will tell you what I know without assigning blame to Federal or Henry rifles or the shooter. You figure out where the problem is.
A man bought a full box of the new .44 magnum Federal 300 Grain, flat nose lead, factory loaded ammo manufactured by Federal.
He has a Henry Big Boy 44 Magnum lever action rifle that is tube loaded.
The man opened the loading tube of the rifle and dropped two rounds into the loading tube. When he dropped the third round, the round wet off sending the bullet through the bill of his hat and all the way through the roof of his home. The ammo was normally dropped into the tube.
The loading tube was blown off the rifle and the rifle sustained other damage. No one including the man was hurt.
Is it an ammo problem (wrong round of ammo?), rifle problem or the Shooter. You decide.
I was told about this by a gunsmith that the person who's rifle blew up directly talked to, so this is second had information.
This happened this last week. Use care.

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Old 05-21-2010, 18:27   #2
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Based entirely on what is said here . . . I would conclude that the round which went off, had a faulty primer, and possibly not seated deep enough; thus, enabling the flat nose round hitting it to set it off. I know this is a stretch, but it is the best I can come up with.
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Originally Posted by sticks View Post
Based entirely on what is said here . . . I would conclude that the round which went off, had a faulty primer, and possibly not seated deep enough; thus, enabling the flat nose round hitting it to set it off. I know this is a stretch, but it is the best I can come up with.
Sounds like the only plausible explanation.

Can't be the rifle since there is nothing in that tube that would cause that.

Does the Henry not have a breech located loading gate for the ammo? Based on the photo on the Henry web site, it looks like it does. . If so, I would have to assign some blame to the user UNLESS the manual explicitly states that this is an approved loading method.

-- Just checked the Henry site. . .
This rifle is a tubular feed design, using a brass inner magazine tube. Cartridges are loaded into a loading port, a cutout in the blued outer magazine tube located underneath the barrel. Rotate the inner magazine tube to disengage. Pull the inner magazine tube out until the follower (the black part at the end of the inner magazine tube) clears the loading port in the outer magazine tube. You can either remove the brass inner magazine tube completely or keep it positioned in the outer magazine tube just past the loading port. With the muzzle pointed upward, insert the rimmed end of the cartridges into the loading port in the outer magazine tube and allow them to slide down towards the action.

So NOT the user's fault!

I'm not sure I would want a lever gun that loads like that (other than a rimfire) as that seems really awkward!!
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I have no good answer . But you can look at this one of two ways . Either the guy is extreamly unlucky or extreamly lucky ? A case could be made either way .

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Another rifle, but similar situation. Uberti`s 1860 Henry. This rifle also feeds through the tube. We have been warned to hold the rifle so that the rounds do not free fall down the tube. Plus to slowly release the follower.
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Originally Posted by Capt Augustus View Post
Another rifle, but similar situation. Uberti`s 1860 Henry. This rifle also feeds through the tube. We have been warned to hold the rifle so that the rounds do not free fall down the tube. Plus to slowly release the follower.
Yep, this is a problem with just dropping the rounds straight down the tube when using centerfire ammo. Always hold the rifle at about a 45deg. angle so that the rounds slide down at a controlled rate. There has been warnings about this ever since the first replicas of the 1860 Henry's started coming out.
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I have several lever guns . They all load through the loading gate . No problems .

I would vote that a design , as you have descriped , is most of the problem .

Many people question the use of round nose soft lead point ammo in a tube magazine .

I ask , how many millions of rounds of .30-30 ammo are sold each year , loaded exactly that way ?

I shoot home cast RNL bullets in .357 , .44 , .45 LC , .45-70 & .30-30 . So far , no problem .

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