I seem to remember watching or reading something about special forces guys in the Vietnam usuing 1895 lever guns in .444 Marlin. because of the stopping power. I think these were personal guns shipped from home by family members, not issued by the army. Any gun in the hands of our armed forces is a tactical.
Never saw a lever action in Nam, but that doesn't mean that they didn't exist. I do know that lots of folks carried 357 magnum sidearms, because they were way more accurate than the 1911 .45 semi-automatics, and ammunition was readily available. I had both - the 45 made a great groin protector when I flew, but the 357 was my personal sidearm of choice. It fit very well in a leg holster.
Hi, yes, I converted my Marlin 1895 into a scout rifle. I had Wild West Guns trick it our with a trigger job and porting. Next I added a big loop lever and bear proof ejector also from Wild West. Last, I drilled the stock for a Ching Sling, and had it tapped for a fire sight. Not as fast as an AR but the 45/70 needs no follow up shot like a 223. I can also flip my sight and with my reloads shoot out to two hundred yards. For a kick, if you have not already, try Hornady's leverution ammo.
To me, a levergun with a full length magazine tube, under whatever barrel length you desire is the way to go. Also instead of std calibers, I'd favor the 30 Herret. It's about 1/2" shorter than the 30-30, easily 200yd man stopper, and you can load almost as many Herrets as you could a 357, but with better ballistics. Of course modifications are necessary.
Wild West Guns in Alaska has that stock available the last time I checked their website. Think money though. As memory served I wanted one badly untill I saw the price.
ive got a puma 92 16" carbine in .45 colt, stock sights put a magazine in a pie plate offhand at 50 yards. I load up 250 grain hornady hollow point xtps pretty fast. Its the weapon i usually carry while woods loafing up north, took two deer this year with it too. I also keep it loaded in the house just in case...
Lets just say Im glad lever actions are not issued anymore but they work great in the states.
I guess I have to say that, as much as I love my Marlin 1894 Cowboy .357, this is my choice for a short, tac rifle:
Of course, it cost me a little more than the 1894, too.
ive got a puma 92 16" carbine in .45 colt, stock sights put a magazine in a pie plate offhand at 50 yards. I load up 250 grain hornady hollow point xtps pretty fast. Its the weapon i usually carry while woods loafing up north, took two deer this year with it too. I also keep it loaded in the house just in case...
Lets just say Im glad lever actions are not issued anymore but they work great in the states.
I'm not being a dick, but you should really be able to do that with pretty much any well built rifle or large framed, quality handgun using careful, aimed fire and a rest of some kind.
No your right.
Most people should be able to do what you said, I can do it with a pistol, time, and a rest. What I described was offhand ie no rest, and I forgot to say under 10 seconds too. Ten shot, ten seconds, from the low ready. I wasnt bragging either, Ive seen it done faster with 73s. I was mearly trying to say that it makes a pretty good defensive weapon but not a good battle rifle.
One thing nobody has mentioned is the ease of reloading as you shoot , with a little practice. when your clips run out you are in a fix, with the semi auto. I do have a mini 14 for my SHTF . But its hard to beat the practicle gun.
One thing nobody has mentioned is the ease of reloading as you shoot , with a little practice. when your clips run out you are in a fix, with the semi auto. I do have a mini 14 for my SHTF . But its hard to beat the practicle gun.
Umm...I don't think running out of ammo in a firefight would be too much of a problem for me with my AR. My chest rig holds 8 30-round mags and with one in the rifle, let's see....that's about 270 rounds.
one well placed shot will fix that problem. I've heard stories from a uncle that was in WW2 talk about german marksmen picking off solders that had auto and semi auto weapons with a bolt action. It happens but it dose'nt hurt to have a plan.
i dont have a semi so i can shoot one person 20 times, i have one to shoot 20 Obamatrons without reloading when they come looking to disarm america. thats the benefit to autos
one well placed shot will fix that problem. I've heard stories from a uncle that was in WW2 talk about german marksmen picking off solders that had auto and semi auto weapons with a bolt action. It happens but it dose'nt hurt to have a plan.
Ah yes, the one-shot, one-kill philosophy. I subscribe to that myself. However, firefights sometimes involve multiple adversaries; thus the comfort level in high-cap magazines.
a shooting buddy has a Marlin .357 lever, it shoots real good. I've shot it several times. he loads his own, some hot stuff. it's a 'companion' to his 8 shot .357 wheely.
we joke about tradeing, I tell him he won't give me enough boot for my Marlin Camp!
either one of those guns are good for defense situs, good shooters at 100 yds.
I hope nobody gets me wrong. I do have my semi auto's and I've stored up on some clips. I hope I dont ever have to defend my country on home soil from whomever. I'd rather keep hunting and plinking. I do not forget history and how this country was formed and the rights we have that keep it that way. An ol hunter dont waste ammo, he takes careful aim, quickly.
Jeff Cooper referred to the 16" pistol cartridge lever gun as the "Kansas City Special" and the 16" 30-30 as the "Brooklyn Special". He considered both as quite acceptable for dispatching "goblins" at short to medium range.
Generally, the best setup would lead one to get a trigger job, have the action slicked up, add a sling with a butt-cuff and add a Ghost Ring rear sight. Additional rounds in a stock holder wouldn't hurt.
As for semi-automatics vs lever actions; a good marksman seldom needs more than one shot and generally, if you shoot the right one, it takes the wind out of everyone else's sails if you're facing a group.
I'd gladly take my Kansas City Special over a pistol if faced by several goblins if the range were more than 25'. For certain, the biggest and baddest would get the first aimed shot amidships and then it would be snap shots for the rest.
Jeff Cooper referred to the 16" pistol cartridge lever gun as the "Kansas City Special" and the 16" 30-30 as the "Brooklyn Special". He considered both as quite acceptable for dispatching "goblins" at short to medium range.
Generally, the best setup would lead one to get a trigger job, have the action slicked up, add a sling with a butt-cuff and add a Ghost Ring rear sight. Additional rounds in a stock holder wouldn't hurt.
As for semi-automatics vs lever actions; a good marksman seldom needs more than one shot and generally, if you shoot the right one, it takes the wind out of everyone else's sails if you're facing a group.
I'd gladly take my Kansas City Special over a pistol if faced by several goblins if the range were more than 25'. For certain, the biggest and baddest would get the first aimed shot amidships and then it would be snap shots for the rest.
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Then I must have a Alaskan Thumper, .45-70 1895G w/ XS ghost rings All in Tactical Night Shade (blued)
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Where did you find the photo of the Marlin Rifle. Do you have any information on the stock.
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