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Old 06-04-2006, 06:33   #26
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Out of all the training senarios we went though in the army, the only situation I would feel unfomfortable with a lever is room clearing.... I imagine it would be almost as good as a shotgun for that. I would still prefer a full auto for that though. Either way, I wasn't looking to replace an M4 with a lever... which I think I already said....




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Guess I'm getting old, or at least out of step with current trends.

Whats wrong with blued steel, an oil finished walnut stock and a reasonable length barrel.

I'd be more likely to replace a factory barrel with a full-octogon, 24" version than to cut one off and "scout" scope mounts are unbalanced and ugly as sin in my opinion. Not even sure that any scope is proper on a traditional lever gun anyway

Now........scoping the Savage 99 is a different story. I agree with Boogy, there's never been made a more beautiful (I'd go farther and say sexy) firearm ever made. A scope mounted properly (above the action, not stuck out on the barrel) just looks right on this most modern (odd thing to say about a 100+ year-old design) of lever guns.

Boogy, you'd love my new 99........a .358 featherweight.

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Ressurection from the dead.....

...of this thread


I have one of each, my hunting 1895, and my "tac" 1895: you know one for work/one for fun.

It really doesn't take much to shorten the barrel of one of these. A saw, good filing skills, and retapping of the front site screw holes. The handling capabilities of the SBDB (Short Barreled Distributor of Badness) for pickup, in-house, and other same type of situations outweighs the standard 22" version completely. Now that said, the night vision destroying abilities of the SBDB are something to behold. There is quite the fireball when fired at night. And that varies with different types of powders.



And for a comparison of barrel lengths:



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Old 03-22-2007, 10:38   #29
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track down a winchester ledgendary lawmen rifle. I had one and should have kept it. Neat old gun. Does not use a rebounding hammer so slick cycling. They used to be about the cost of a new rifle, but i guess with the 94 being out of bizness they are higher now. I have a trapper size 94 in 44 magnum. Can shoot it fast, but its light enough that it wants to twist when you fire and out yonder it dont hit so well. Holds 10 rounds. I have a ranger i bought many years ago. It has the tube cut about 3 inch shorter than the barrel. Every ranger i see has a full length tube. Anyone know anything about that?
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Originally Posted by stillborn View Post
When you jump down to the 16 inch barrel, do you lose any accuracy or distance? Or would it still be good out to 200 yards?
In my experience, "no" to both...not practically speaking, anyway. You might have some trouble using a typical bead-style levergun front sight precisely on a man-sized target at 200, but that's it. 150 yards is a chip-shot from my 16.5-inch barreled Marlin with iron sights, but I have a Williams 5-D receiver rear sight with a .125-inch peep aperture on that carbine. I use ammo that the carbine likes, and I practice. Killed a whitetail buck with one ribcage shot at a measured 141 yards with it a couple years ago.
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Originally Posted by Mannlicher View Post
Lever guns make great tactical weapons? That must be why so many armies issue them? So many police departments?
Seriously, for defense they are great, but as a tactical weapon, they leave a lot to be desired. Being able to reload them quickly is just one drawback.

Not to jump all over you, but they can fulfill the role of a tactical weapon when trained and willing to use one. Gabe Suarez has made comments about this very subject, had some used in his tactical rifle classes, and they were able to hold their own in said classes. Now if you feel the need to hose the room down, no they (leverguns) will not be able to do that like a magazine fed rifle/carbine; but in the right hands it won't let one down either.

If you would care to look here: http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?t=649
then you can start to see when and where the usefulness of a levergun can be used.

And there are many other examples of just how fast one can function a levergun, just look at the "cowboy action" shooters to get an idea. Now given that speed, some practice with full powered ammo, and you DO have a definite problem on the receiving end of one of these "obsolete" weapons!
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Originally Posted by Bubba w/a 45/70 View Post
Now that said, the night vision destroying abilities of the SBDB are something to behold. There is quite the fireball when fired at night. And that varies with different types of powders.
Very true, here's a broad daylight freeze-frame of a factory Winchester 300gr out of my 1895GS...

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I bought a Winchester 94 .44Mag Trapper 16" back in 1994 and have been using it for a truck,camp gun ever since and goes good with my .44Mag Ruger SBH. I would not feel underguned with it If I needed to use it to protect myself or my family.
I like the Trapper so much I boght an old beater Winchester 30-30 20" and converted it into a 16.5" Trapper, I also converted my 1895G to 16.25"
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I would think the 16" or 18" M92 like these http://www.legacysports.com/products..._carbines.html
would be better for this project.

And you wouldn't have to chop an old classic.

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It's one thing to chop an old classic and another to save and restore an old beater project rifle that cost's half of what a puma would.
http://www.levergunluvers.com/phpBB2...pic.php?t=1955



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I remember an article from years ago that had a picture of a Tactical .30-.30, but I can't find the pic.
Here's a link to an article from the same source, though:
http://www.suarezinternational.com/leveraction.html

Maybe he's got the pic stored somewhere on his site.
This isn't the pic I'm thinking of, but it'll do:
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You know what? A good lever gun is just about the ONLY gun I DON'T have as yet!
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if they weren't just so darn slow to reload.............,

and if only you could be sure that your 'competition' would not be armed with a good semi auto.
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I know what ya mean, But I dont think its right to call it Tactical. It would be better to call it Practical. Also in the gunworld today the word tactical is anymore these days a deragative word favored by the left wing to describe a weapon they think we shouldnt have. We as gun owners should refrain from using words like Tactical or Assault.

Anyway heres an attachment of some concepts a gunsmith friend of mine and I are working with for ideas for 'Practical Lever Guns'. nothing like the fast handling of a lever gun but why not take them to the next level. Just wanted to share my Ideas. I'm curious to see what ya guys think. If anyone is interested let me know, we are in the process of making these available forsale.

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Snowman336,

Aren't you a retired police officer? If so would you mind sharing what you know on the 125gr bullets from the 30/30?

One thing I would like to bring up to the original poster is that they may want to find a 16 levergun and shoulder it, point it, etc at a gunshop and see what they think. While I like leverguns I don't like the shorter barrels, 16 inch versions. Also Clint Smith from Thunder Ranch once pointed out that a 20 inch carbine when shouldered will only be about 4-6 inches longer than a pistol in the hands and at the ready position.

Either way a levergun is a great tactical weapon IMO.

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I'm an active duty deputy sheriff still, but I don't have too long to go before I retire. Been at it for 35 years, that seems like it ought to be long enough. We've done testing here to determine if there are .30-30 loads that are safer to use in suburban areas. There are just too many guys around who have a .30-30 to ignore the caliber.

Our testing found that there are two commercially-available loads that penetrate about the same in ballistic gel as our issue handgun load, but are delivering 1,700+ ft/lbs of energy over that penetration distance, compared to the 400 or so ft/lbs generated by the handgun ammo. I know I'd hate having that much energy arresting inside me.

The two loads that are "urban-safe" for a poor man's homeland defense rifle in .30-30 are Winchester's generic 150-grain jhp (catalog #X30301). The other is the 125-grain jhp loaded by Federal Cartridge under catalog #3030C. Both loads are well known to veteran levergunners and, while they aren't the only .30-30 loads that would make a fearsome anti-personnel round, the testing indicates that they likely won't over-penetrate on a 2-legged homicidal assailant.

Been packing a .30-30 of some sort in the cruiser since about 1973, I guess. As a working tool, I've used it more than any other firearm on the job, mostly for euthanizing road-injured livestock and deer. I have photos of test bullets in .30-30 caliber, if anyone wants to look 'em over. Contact me at kjones366@yahoo.com

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tactical lever guns

Saw those on the WWG website. How in the heck could you shoot those sawed-down 45/70's with any accuracy at all? They look cool but are pretty useless - better off to buy a shotgun instead, don't you think?
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Originally Posted by Boogyman View Post
Just please don't ruin a good 'ol classic lever-action rifle by cutting it up and painting it and such, OK? Do it with a newer one!
That's the worst part of my "treasure hunts" at pawn shops. I HATE see the things some folks do to really classy guns.

I GOTTA build something like these! http://www.wildwestguns.com/Bushwacker/bushwacker.html I'm thinking of a .480, so I can shoot .454's and .45 Colts, as well.

As for this "tactical" crap..... tactical is just a word meaning, "We didn't bother working on the finish, or spend money on wood, so we painted it black, and raised the price $100." I get sick of hearing about this stuff. Like tactical knives. WTF? They're still sharp and pointy, they're just ugly and black!
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With all the talk of A future AWB if an when they try and ban all semi-auto , and I am sure some day they will , maybe next year or 20 years from now , the Lever action rifle would have to take it's place, I don't know if I would call it tactical , but A good lever action rifle will have to do .
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+1. I have been trying to shore up my collection b4 the next election. Browning BLR in 308 is at the bottom of the list. Want to get all the semis in first, but I figure the BLR will not be regulated for some time. I think we may see ourselves dumping SKS, K31, AK, ar15, saigas, and all the rest in barrells for the gov't to destroy before long. Just like in England.
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Originally Posted by Bubba w/a 45/70 View Post
Not to jump all over you, but they can fulfill the role of a tactical weapon when trained and willing to use one. Gabe Suarez has made comments about this very subject, had some used in his tactical rifle classes, and they were able to hold their own in said classes. Now if you feel the need to hose the room down, no they (leverguns) will not be able to do that like a magazine fed rifle/carbine; but in the right hands it won't let one down either.

If you would care to look here: http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?t=649
then you can start to see when and where the usefulness of a levergun can be used.

And there are many other examples of just how fast one can function a levergun, just look at the "cowboy action" shooters to get an idea. Now given that speed, some practice with full powered ammo, and you DO have a definite problem on the receiving end of one of these "obsolete" weapons!
He might also want to look at something along the lines of an 1873 with a short stroke kit in .45 Colt or .357. The lever throw is so short that you need not take your hand off the stock; just flip your fingers a little bit. The .45 Colt or .357 coming out of a rifle ain't nothing to sneeze at.

Originally Posted by salvo View Post
It's one thing to chop an old classic and another to save and restore an old beater project rifle that cost's half of what a puma would.
http://www.levergunluvers.com/phpBB2...pic.php?t=1955



That's about what my "grab and go" '94 looks like! I call it, "Freckles!"

Originally Posted by Johnwilliamson062 View Post
+1. I have been trying to shore up my collection b4 the next election. Browning BLR in 308 is at the bottom of the list. Want to get all the semis in first, but I figure the BLR will not be regulated for some time. I think we may see ourselves dumping SKS, K31, AK, ar15, saigas, and all the rest in barrells for the gov't to destroy before long. Just like in England.
Might I suggest one of the BLR's with the pistol grip? They're harder to find, but feel a hell of a lot better than the straight stocked ones. I'd always wanted one, until I traded into a .30-06. Too heavy, with too long of a lever throw. Damn thing just felt weird. I had a chance to buy one of the PG's in .308, and really wish I would have. It felt really nice, and had the shorter barrel, which I also suggest, unless you're some kinda tree stand fairy.
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I seem to remember watching or reading something about special forces guys in the Vietnam usuing 1895 lever guns in .444 Marlin. because of the stopping power. I think these were personal guns shipped from home by family members, not issued by the army. Any gun in the hands of our armed forces is a tactical.
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I'd hate to have to carry battle packs of .444!
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