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Old 05-10-2011, 13:39   #1
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guns are not normally used in attacks.

that means that you can't justify firing at the attacker much beyond 10 ft. This is proven by the dept of justice, every year, in their Annual Crime Survey. Google for DOJ's home page and check it out.

Also, read Cirillo's book about gunfighting. out of 280 armed robbers, caught red handed in 1968 by the NYPD Stakeout Unit, only 40 did not surrender. They were cornered by the cops, they were going away for life, mostly, for multiple armed robberies, yet they chose to surrender rather than be shot. If you are smart enough to allow the attacker an exit, over 90% will not make you shoot them. So , how often will you have to fire beyond 10 ft, hmm? So why bother with slowfire practice at longer ranges? it's a waste of time and money.

Also, check out the FBI's UNIFORM CRIME REPORT. in it, every year, most gunfights occur at 10 ft or less, and only 5% or so occur beyond 10 yds. since most attacks are not made with guns.,this means that less than 2% of the time, you will fire at more than 10 yds, while most shooting will occur at 6 ft or less. So work on what the odds say you will be doing, folks, extremely rapid draws and shooting, at powder burn distances.
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why go to rifle matches with a tricked out AR with a 26 inch barrel and 90 grain bullets shooting to 600 yards? You yourself keep harping on the fact that sniping in a SHTF scenario is pointless.

References here:
can't call in an evac chopper or airstrike
only unaware men offer exposed, stationary
GUARANTEE 6"groups, 600 yds, with AR, 223
what r u so SCARED of?"need" lg rg sniping?
for shtf, long range sniping is bunk
why care if he flops around a bit, 223 hit,900m?-
223 has 250 ft lbs left at 1000 yds,
Head on prone men are 10" disks as targets

Make up your mind
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that's right, it is. also, you can't read. the 26" barrel and 90 gr bullets are for ONE THOUSAND YARD matches. 80 gr bullets and 20" barrels do just fine at 600 yds. I quote these performances to show you how silly it is to bother with 30 caliber rifles. A few matches will show you that you aren't capable of 600 yd hits under anything LIKE combat conditions, regardless of what gear you have. The REAL long range shooters KNOW that what I say about the AR and 223 is true and correct. those who mouth bs that they have read on the net are the only ones who are the naysayers.
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I practice Karate on pumpkins in my garage.
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Originally Posted by tap View Post
.... A few matches will show you that you aren't capable of 600 yd hits under anything LIKE combat conditions, regardless of what gear you have.
And yet somehow our soldiers are making those hits with plain old M14s, M16s and even the occasional M4. You on the other hand have ABSOLUTELY NO combat experiance but think you can tell our vets on the forum who have that they don't know what they're talking about. Exactly what mqkes you qualified to tell others what does and doesn't happen under combat conditions. Your game playing at some matches doesn't count like real world experiance that our vets have.
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I practice Karate on pumpkins in my garage.

LOLZ... ROTFLMASO...

and now for something else totaly random:
how about a nice peep show?
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Originally Posted by mr. Snuffalupagus View Post
lolz... Rotflmaso...

And now for something else totaly random:
How about a nice peep show?
check out the chicks!!
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Please tell that this tap fellow has actually mistaken this area for the jokes and humor section.
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Originally Posted by SSGNasty View Post
Please tell that this tap fellow has actually mistaken this area for the jokes and humor section.
Nope - he's for real.

John melvin davis (tap) is just a raving lunatic. He actually thinks what he post's is true.

Google "gunkid" and you'll get the whole story about him.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Snuffalupagus View Post

LOL wow someone has WAY to much time on their hands lol but very funny!
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chill time for the yellow chicks there..it's funny LOL
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Practice for 10 feet? You'd probably want to search the LEO 21 foot rule and how fast an adversary can cover that distance...many of officers found out the hard way with knife attacks and such.
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is the news really true?
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I never pay to practice shooting except for the cost of the ammo. All practice in not necessarily for self defense, could be for gathering food or just for the competition. As for as the Easter candy I wouldn't let my dogs eat, I have no idea of the significance.

With posted signs and painted posts, anybody that comes to my front door gets met by someone with a gun in hand. By the time they come to the back door, we know who they are and if we don't know them we go out and greet them with gun in hand.

My yard is about 2 acres in size and it's mine. Only friends, meter readers or deliveries are accepted within my gated yard and only friends in my home and only some friends in my shop. Invitation only although some friends have long standing open invitations.

40 to 50 yards is where I do my most practice.
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Recent news events seems to differ in shooting distances from Taps 6 foot powder burn distances. I practice from a few feet to 25 yards with pistols.
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Might want to check out all the rifle shooting latly. We had 2 with 10 miles in the last month. We are talking 100's of rounds and at 50 yds. There an older guy just killed bad guy with a 357 at 165yds. (4-5 hits) Besides that its fun!
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Originally Posted by Metalhead View Post
Practice for 10 feet? You'd probably want to search the LEO 21 foot rule and how fast an adversary can cover that distance...many of officers found out the hard way with knife attacks and such.

this 100 percent true.


I've tried it.

using a 1 to 1 replica glock forgery airsoft gun in a Safariland duty holster
and a rubber knife

I was able to constantly (I did get "shot" on a few attempts) close a 20-25 foot gap with the knife and deliver severe to fatal cuts before the shooter could shoot me ( and although I have had some martial arts training - I'm not a Knife fighting "expert" by any means, I'm pretty sure I'm a better Knife fighter than an average thug - as I've picked up a few Arnis and Escrima tricks from training partners over the years, though I've never formally studied the styles.)

when I switched off and became the shooter, the situation was similar - usually I had to resort to a half assed left handed grapple with the knife wielder while finishing my draw and fire at powder burn distance, while getting slashed repeatedly with a rubber knife.

again none of us were "pros" but I'd say we were all "weapon competent"

I say create as much distance between you and an aggressor as possible, if that means retreating to draw - so be it. a pissed off drug addled knife or bludgeon wielding thug is not something you want to be 10 feet from if your weapon is still in the holster.
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that means that you can't justify firing at the attacker much beyond 10 ft. This is proven by the dept of justice, every year, in their Annual Crime Survey. Google for DOJ's home page and check it out.
So let me see here. I hear a bump*thump at fark thirty in the morning and grab Mr. Mossberg. I go to my door and see a man in black with a flash light in one hand a gun in the other and a guy behind him with a knife and a crowbar. They are 18' from me and approaching. Are you saying I should let them get to arms length of me before I start filling them full of #4 shot.

Maybe your mothers basement only gives you 10' as the longest possible shot but I have an open house plan and a shot might be as far away as 32' add to this I am to old, cranky because I am old and a little irate at having to get up when I would rather be sleeping. Nope, boogerman is gonna get shot and if he don't fall down he is going to get shot again and again until he does fall down or he turns his back on me and runs home to his mommy.

Store keeper minding his counter is one thing and a man protecting himself and his family from a carjacker is another close encounter but most of us don't go chasing armed criminals for a living so your stats mean about zip to us.
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