I see two types of profiling here:
*White car- auto profiling based on color
*Black driver-color of skin profiling
Oh boy! Jackson and Sharpton will be all over this.
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Jaysus! Hats off to Officer Gramin's! A really bad one, and he came out on top.
Edit: This guy was trained up the wazoo. It's not the training. It's the fear, and the adrenaline. Some people call it "The Elephant" and some people call it "The Beast." This guy did it right. The Perp had to be doped up IMO. The fuel line was cut, but he just kept coming.
Obviously there is a training issue here. FRONT SIGHT, SMOOTH TRIGGER! Wow, 17 shots with 2 good ones. Shot placement is key. That and getting off the line and moving to create lag time.
17 of 32. Not only the three headshots with the final 3 rounds he fired, but "a couple to his torso, and one to his abdomen,". That's six out of the 17 hits that are probably pretty serious, perhaps eventually fatal even if none of the 11 extremity hits were, which is not definite. Honestly, that's better shooting than most police shootouts I've read about.
He takes the right lessons, too. Shoot better. He finally steadies down and makes 3 consecutive accurate shots and ends the fight.
An old marine once told me that if you want the other guy to stop shooting at you, kill him. Nothing else is proven to work in all cases.
What's suprising is not only did he hit the guy 17 times he was using .45 acp!
Not surprising at all. The idea that a .45 will knock someone down is a fallacy spread around by the 9mm sucks crowd hollywood who make bad guys fly through the air when shot. He could've been killed with one .22 if aimed properly. At least he learned by his own admission that the spray and pray method used by police may not be the best tactic.
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HMMMM17 Shots huh, well being in a shootout is no fun and things happen really quick, not to mention most gun fights happen within 7feet of each shooter, Now keep in mind that adrenillen is rrunning high and hot on both sides, one guy is trying to keep from going to jail and the other is bound and determined to put him there. I know I had to qualify once a year if I didnt qualify. I could not legally carry in the field. and many departments are that way. even Para Military and High Risk Security (N im not talking about the ole Barney Fifes How shouldnt even have a bullet let alone a firearrm. However a even funner one is that in a city in NY State some years back a Robbery Suspect was being persuded and shots were exchanged between the police and the suspect it was over 50 rounds If memory serves me right, and the person whom took down the suspect without a fatality to the suspect. Was a Female Investigator from the District Attorneys Office.and with one single shot!. In this case it could have been a case of nerves, being shot at can really mess with your thought process, The best advise I can give is training, training, training, and remember one thing the minuate one thinks they can outshoot anyone can be in for a rude awaking. To the Men & Women whom place thier lives on the line everday to protect us & our freedoms, Be Safe & Be Carefull Out There! ....Doc
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I think he did outstanding for a Skokie cop, they are as officially anti-gun as Chicago and the fact that the officer was making any hits is good on him and not due to any particular effort of the big wigs in Skokie to make him a marksman. He's alive bad guy isn't, nuff said.
If you call that good shooting, shame on you. If you "think" training once a year is anything, you're completely lost. Even once a month is way too little, unless you are a proven master shooter.
If you call that good shooting, shame on you. If you "think" training once a year is anything, you're completely lost. Even once a month is way too little, unless you are a proven master shooter.
Hell yea I call that good shooting, he hit the guy 17 times before he finely put him down and a bunch of those round were outgoing through the windshield while rounds were incoming through the same windshield. I'll bet that was a real crap your pants moment.
Everyone has access to body armor ! Military training teaches center mass targeting, but head shots are a must ! On many levels ! Its a lot bigger than a tin can !
30 something total rds fired by him? :-) that's 7 seconds or more, at point blank range, much slower if 5 yds or so, and that's not including the mag swap. I'd seriouisly question why all the time and rds. Was he using cover? why have to do all that shooting, in the first place? Sounds like panic, to me. Just like the 41 rds fired at the unarmed Jamaican in NYC a few years ago, who was "pointing" his wallet at 4 cops. they managed to hit him 22 times, only one solid hit. No car in the way, tho. :-)
Did you even read the article? He was in his car trading rounds through the windshield. I'd be unloading to, trying to get the incoming to stop. The bad guy and the cop both went dry at the same time.
ears blown out, firing inside of a vehicle? wow. Best to get out of the far side door, keeping the car between you as cover, and get the earplugs into place. It's the blasts smacking eardrums that cause so much flinching/missing at point blank ranges, guys.
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