but..since this thread was started...i have actually bought a new pistol
a ruger 22/45...not for home D...just for cheap plinking cheap fun!
i never had anything against handguns, actually they are great fun, but about the only advantage they give you is the ability to conceal...jmo.
Here's a "good reason to own a handgun". Developed in 1914, most notably used by small units wearing gas masks to clear Allied trenchs (with 32 rd drum mags) after mustard gas attacks. The fore-runner to the SMG concept. Called the "Artillery" model for it's enhanced long range performance. This configuration is legal to own (in Free states) with out NFA restrictions due to it's age and historical significance. Somewhat pricey however.
Here's a "good reason to own a handgun". Developed in 1914, most notably used by small units wearing gas masks to clear Allied trenchs (with 32 rd drum mags) after mustard gas attacks. The fore-runner to the SMG concept. Called the "Artillery" model for it's enhanced long range performance. This configuration is legal to own (in Free states) with out NFA restrictions due to it's age and historical significance. Somewhat pricey however.
very cool! is this one yours?
but this thread was never about a reason to "own a handgun," handguns are great! i never questioned if someone should own one. i just wanted another shotgun & due to finances, i had to sell my pistol to get it.
the original purpose of the thread was to weight out if i should KEEP my handgun or get another shotgun (for my purposes). i ended up selling my handgun to get another shotgun & less than a year later....buying another handgun (but a plinker this time, not for home D). in the end, i am happy with my choice.
First let me say that my wife used to cringe everytime I added to my arsenal, so I feel your pain bro. In time, she finally realized how much the value has went up on my babies over the years and she's not so bothered. (Just counting the days til I drop dead so she can sell them!) She once said, "Why do we need 50 guns, you can't shoot them all." My reply won her silence. "No, but I can arm 49 of my closest friends when TSHTF." I almost went with, "Why the hell do you need 50 pairs of shoes", but I wanted dinner and some lovin' that particular evening.
When you consider the value of the Baretta, if in good condition, you could easily sell it and buy a decent used pistol or revolver and a decent pump shotgun. When you look at it that way, the 4 gun cap really makes no sense. Think about it, you can have a nice FN SLP for $1100 or a used Mossberg 500 for about $200. It seems to me to make more sense to put a monetary limit on gun spending rather than a number of guns limit. All that said, for a home defense shotgun, you really need something short and maneuverable like a short barrelled pump action.
Just realized that I completely missed the last page in this thread and missed the part where you have already sold your Pistol and bought a shotgun so, disregard my previous post.
to be clear, i already own: 2 rifles, a 20 G dbl barrel, handgun
4 is my limit. i really want a SEMI AUTO 12 G. i have to give up something, for my purposes, the handgun seems the least useful to ME. but, i still have some reservations about having NO handgun.
its a tough choice to make...
The day I'm given a limit on my guns, my limit on exwives will change.
Does a woman have a limit on shoes or purses?
I've been a firearms instructor for about ten years. An older gentleman
who was of my first instructors always told his handgun classes, a
handgun is used until you can reach a real gun, a long gun.
well, here's a pic of my new 22/45....settle down boys . as for some of y'all who seem shocked by my spending limits, well....i think everybody has to draw the line on spending somewhere. firearms are NOT purses and shoes....my wife's purses & shoes = $25-50 each. my firearms = $300-700 each (THEN add scopes, optics, slings, new sights,....you get the picture i think). just a SLIGHT difference there . i openly admit i am not rich and my ENTIRE family has to set spending limits.
and if anyone was under the impression that i am "whipped" and can't get what i want, well....i gave the wrong impression. (especially considering my wife is so cool and rarely tells me no about anything). this thread was about controling spending & which type of firearm is more of a priority for myself (as well as other poster's opinions on that). thanks to everyone for their input, i appreciate that.
i kinda miss my beretta. it was a great gun. but i absolutely LOVE the new shotty i traded it for (i'll show you a pic). and in the end i saved up for my 22/45 also, so i you can rest easy gentlemen...i broke the 4 limit and now have 5 guns . i'm hoping the 22 will save me some $ plinking in the long run.
thanks for the input gentlemen....and by all means, continue discussing. i think its an interesting debate & i appreciate the different views about the "need" of pistols. here is my new one...
Hey, the .22 will work just as well in a home defense situation when it comes to something to use while getting to your shotgun. A few rounds to the chest with a .22lr and your just as dead as if shot with a .45. My main point was that a spending limit may make better sense economically than a number of guns limit since you could easily spend $1100 or more on a Saiga or FN SLP shotgun, or you could likely find a good used Mossberg 500 for $200 or so. Same with a handgun, you could spend anywhere from $250 for a S&W 9mm to $850 for a Sig P226 in the same caliber. Good luck with your choices, I think you will enjoy them both.
Hey, the .22 will work just as well in a home defense situation when it comes to something to use while getting to your shotgun. A few rounds to the chest with a .22lr and your just as dead as if shot with a .45. My main point was that a spending limit may make better sense economically than a number of guns limit since you could easily spend $1100 or more on a Saiga or FN SLP shotgun, or you could likely find a good used Mossberg 500 for $200 or so. Same with a handgun, you could spend anywhere from $250 for a S&W 9mm to $850 for a Sig P226 in the same caliber. Good luck with your choices, I think you will enjoy them both.
i totally agree woodstock! i could only have 4 firearms, but if they were match MIA's, top notch AR's, and fancy 0/U shotguns, i could have a collection that is costs me 10-15 grand easy. you could have 20-25 budget minded firearms for the same price.
i just reallygot into firearms 3-4 years ago. i was buying about a gun a year at that point (well, more with swapping some out), and i was given a "whoa, that's enough for now." so i needed to sell a gun to get another i wanted. so the 'four gun" was never set in stone, (obviously, i now have 5) it was just to slow down the spending.
and i agree again about the 22. people underestimate how dangerous they are. certainly wouldn't be my first choice for HD, but it'll do if you need it to.
i hope i didn't come off as cranky in my last post, cause i'm not at all. i just think its funny how this thread keeps coming up. but, it continues to be a good discussion worth debate. some have convinced me, its probably a good idea to have some kind of pistol for the ability to conceal. but a pistol is still the lowest on my "need" list. i got my pistol to fill two needs: i wanted a pistol, and i wanted a 22.
but a pistol just isn't my "go to" gun. i hear something serious going on, and the problem will likely be looking down my double barrel.....
The thing that gets me about your situation is you seem to have a hard limit on numbers of firearms due to money. I'd personally save up the money to get the shotgun if this were the case.
BTW, which shotgun are you looking at?
Jim
Can the wife handle a shotgun? (Home defense) happens in seconds not minutes, can either of you get to your home defense weapon quickly? My wife has weak hands, if nessarry she could fire a 40 or a 9 but NOT a shotgun. If you miss is the round your using going threw the wall and hitting someone in the next room? Can't see a long gun being grabbed quickly from the bed side!
There is a home broken into every 14 seconds in the U.S. One third of all bad guys are killed by LEO! Two thirds are killed by GOOD GUYS/GIRLS defending themselves or family. Be prepared, have a defensive weapon handy and make sure both of you know how to use it. You are not home together all the time.
Can the wife handle a shotgun? (Home defense) happens in seconds not minutes, can either of you get to your home defense weapon quickly? My wife has weak hands, if nessarry she could fire a 40 or a 9 but NOT a shotgun. If you miss is the round your using going threw the wall and hitting someone in the next room? Can't see a long gun being grabbed quickly from the bed side!
i think i have a good set up for our needs. my shotty is simple, short and quick. everyone will see this differently i think. it comes down to what you feel most comfortable with. i wouldn't say handguns are bad choice for HD, i just think they are a bad choice for me. and from all the info i can gather, i think a shotgun is a wise choice for HD.
first...most 8-10 year old boys can "handle" 20 and 12 gauge shotguns. all we're really talking about is a bump on the shoulder and a loud boom. if your life as at stake, recoil is NOT an issue i would think. my 60 year old mother would pull a 10 gauge off the shelf and shot it in a second if she felt her family was in danger. all you have to do with any firearm is practice and get good with it.
i think the shotgun's advantage is stopping power, ability to hit a moving target and more margin for error. this makes it my choice.
but i agree....handguns have some advantages as well.but i was never that good with handguns, and wouldn't trust my skills under extreme pressure. i fear i would get nervous and miss at least my first shot or two....that could be bad. i don't miss with my shotgun at close range. if you have good skills and training with a handgun, it could be good for HD. personally, i think the best use of a handgun is to carry or conceal it, not HD. but i'm no expert, its just MO.
There is a home broken into every 14 seconds in the U.S. One third of all bad guys are killed by LEO! Two thirds are killed by GOOD GUYS/GIRLS defending themselves or family. Be prepared, have a defensive weapon handy and make sure both of you know how to use it. You are not home together all the time.
well said! and also, make sure you have a system where an intruder can't easily find your gun/ammo & use it on you!
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Joe R
A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.” Proverbs 22:3
To begin with, no one including my wife tells me what and/or how many of anything I can buy. That is your first problem. Secondly I always carry a handgun, .45acp. I have plenty of rifles, shotguns, etc. but I would never sell any of my handguns. I have a .45 by my bed. When I am awakened by a drunk at the front door at 0130, I was there in an instant with my .45. Opened the door to hear "please don't shoot me mister". It sobers drunks up fast, a shotgun would have too, but there wasn't time. That was a true story by the way. I would correct the first problem, above, and keep the handgun.
hey! i just wanted to put up a topic to discuss. basically, i can't think of an advantage a handgun has over a shotgun or rifle.....so i want to sell my semi auto pistol(my only handgun) and get a semi-auto shotgun (of course i will lose $ on the deal, but i (and my wife ) set a limit on the # of firearms i can own, so i don't go crazy). tell me i'm making the right move, or tell me why i'm not. i'm interested to see your opinions on this matter.
I probably need to add a shotgun to my safe. Each type of weapon has it's advantages ans disadvantages. As I normally like to be armed, my pistols are my weapon of choice.
My wife would never be crazy enough to thinks she could limit the # of firearms I have. She has however said I've reached my limit on my hound dogs!