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Old 11-16-2008, 18:40   #1
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How much ammo can be stored at home?

How much? Do I need a flam locker after a certain # of rounds. I want to stock up but want to be in the limit of the law. I heard a few years back that one could only have 10,000 rnds in his/her home. True or a load of bull?
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WOW that IS a good question, how much ammo IS too much? But I vaguely remember the 10K number being tossed around before.
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There is a National Fire Code, and then there are local ones. The applicable one would probably be the more restrictive of the two the way things usually work. 10K may be about right. Loaded ammo poses minimal risk, especially if it'd all sealed up in ammo cans. Smokeless Powder is something else again, and Black Powder is even more restricted for quantity. As it should.
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Hm... So I might want to do something with the 500,000 round in my garage... I kid, of course. I never knew there was a limit, interesting. If it's 10k I'm halfway there.
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I'm far more restricted by my budget and how much I'm willing to hump up out of the basement than anything official. It'd take 2 or 3 days as it is, but I'm no athlete (anymore....).
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This is a great question!

My first response was "as much as I can afford and fit in my house"

I'm not aware of any federal statutes about it. I'm pretty familiar with federal firearm statutes, have attended a couple of the NRA's National Firearms Law Seminars (at which the ATF gives a presentation on all of them) and have never heard the subject addressed.

State and local laws may say nearly anything.

If you've ever ordered ammo on-line or through a catalog, you often see restrictions for shipping ammo to certain states and localities.

Also if you've had ammo shipped to you, you're familiar with the ORM-D sticker. It stands for "Other Regulated Materials-Domestic." While ammo falls under this, so do aerosol cans and lots of other chemicals (even perfumes, apparently). ORM-D is basically dangerous but not superdangerous stuff (e.g., dynamite). ORM-D has limits on the quantity that can be shipped. Perhaps this is the limit that people have heard of?

I know next to nothing about fire codes, but unless for political reasons (which I'm not saying hasn't been done - anti's are everywhere), why would there be limits on the amount of ammo and not, say, alcohol, aerosol cans, etc.?
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Excellent point. I suppose my girlfriend's beauty supply collection could potentially be dangerous at a much sooner point in a house fire than the ammo- in the cans- in the 500lb safe.
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Exactly. I'm not worried one bit about my ammunition, as it is all stored in ammo cans. The military has used these cans for decades for a number of reasons.
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Originally Posted by Ash View Post
Exactly. I'm not worried one bit about my ammunition, as it is all stored in ammo cans. The military has used these cans for decades for a number of reasons.
Same here. As far as I'm concerned, it's nobody's business how much ammo I have. It's all stored in military ammo cans and locked away out of sight. It's only when someone is dumb enough to go out and shoot up something, or you go around in the wrong places and start bragging about your stash that anyone is going to ask anyway.
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Originally Posted by COBRADOC View Post
Same here. As far as I'm concerned, it's nobody's business how much ammo I have. It's all stored in military ammo cans and locked away out of sight. It's only when someone is dumb enough to go out and shoot up something, or you go around in the wrong places and start bragging about your stash that anyone is going to ask anyway.
Or when you go on forums and tell every one about the 25k of ammo you have stashed in the first bedroom on right, in the closet behind the modified fully automatic AK-47.
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How much?

Do you think the zombies will care how much ammo you have stashed away? Just joking, but seriously...
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Old 11-18-2008, 23:14   #12
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Just check on the position of your gas meter in relation to the ammo dump. Might not be a good thing if the meter is on the other side of the wall. I realized one time that my gun safe sat the thickness of an outside wall from my gas meter. Safe moved now to the other side of the house.
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Originally Posted by evlblkwpnz View Post
Excellent point. I suppose my girlfriend's beauty supply collection could potentially be dangerous at a much sooner point in a house fire than the ammo- in the cans- in the 500lb safe.
Storing ammo in a safe is UNSAFE if you were to have a fire that would become one very large bomb. Ammo outside a safe will have less damaging effect in a fire. Research that , you'll see what I am talking about.
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The OP stated,
I want to stock up but want to be in the limit of the law.
You are free to stock however much you please. There are no laws to limit you on this, only rumors of such.
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Don't give the gun grabbers anything else to think about-back when the klintons were in office,good ol slick willy wanted to put limits on ammo and create storage life disfunctional ammo so nobody could hoard the stuff!
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no gas or full autos here so i suppose I'l' be OK. 25,000 rounds? How many AR barrels will that wear out? thanks for the tip on not keeping it in the safe. I will check it out. Thank you gentlemen.
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Originally Posted by KMO View Post
The OP stated,

You are free to stock however much you please. There are no laws to limit you on this, only rumors of such.
That's not necessarily true. It depends where you live. Massachusetts, why you would live there, has a limit. http://www.goal.org/misc/faq/powder.html

Just check with local law and ordnance, if you really care that much, or just store it away in your underground bunker and don't go yapping about it to everyone.
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Originally Posted by evlblkwpnz View Post
How much? Do I need a flam locker after a certain # of rounds. I want to stock up but want to be in the limit of the law. I heard a few years back that one could only have 10,000 rnds in his/her home. True or a load of bull?
I have never heard of a law or code in the USC which limits the amount of ammunition that a person can posess. Generally I have at least 5000 rounds or so available in my house. This question would probably be best asked to your local Fire Department where there may be local ordinances for the storage of explosive devices in/on a residence (ammunition falls into this category). So in respect to a fire hazard, you could be held legally liable for an unsafe ammunition magazine.

Also consider how realistic it is to store that much ammunition on your property. If you are really serious about guns and like shooting that much ammunition (and can afford to!) then you may have a plausible reason for that much ammo. Be realistic people. Zombies are not going to rise from the dead and start killing us, there probably won't be an alien invasion tomorrow, and, though the most virulent anti-Obama zealots on this board will shake their PCs furiously when they hear me say this, in all likelihood we are nowhere near a government cabal so tyrranical that a large scale armed resistance movement will be required to topple it and restore the Constitution's control of it. Even the Swiss Militia, an organization which trains with the deadly serious purpose of activating and deploying come an invasion of their nation only requires its members to keep a sealed tin of 500 rounds in their domicile.

If you are really serious about building an ammunition magazine for storing tens of thousands of rounds on your property, for you safety, I suggest you create a professionally constructed magazine (bunker) in accordance with local, state and federal fire codes.
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Hey, when the Zombies come crawling out of the ground, your going to have to apologize for that comment, before you may seek safety in my Zombie proof bunker and share my ammo cache.
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Originally Posted by AR15_Fanatic View Post

Also consider how realistic it is to store that much ammunition on your property. .......... though the most virulent anti-Obama zealots on this board will shake their PCs furiously when they hear me say this, in all likelihood we are nowhere near a government cabal so tyrranical that a large scale armed resistance movement will be required to topple it and restore the Constitution's control of it.
Heresy! Off with your head! I am planning my escape route to AKA Caleb immediately.
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I agree with the unlikelyhood of needing to have enough to supply a platoon for a week's worth of firefights. I still have to contend with the potential for politicians messing with the ammo pipeline further down the road, especially after losing on the 2A and the AWB. I expect them to go after the ammo supply as an easier alternative. Being able to roll your own is a start, but even that is vulnerable. One thing going for it is rolling your own is a relatively low-volume pursuit. Doesn't look as "evil" as being able to go out and buy it all at once...
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I am concerned with stocking up because I don't want to pay through the nose for it in the future. I remember when decent 7.62x39 was $2 per 20 round box and I see how it has risen in just a few years. I would like to have enough rounds to hit the range once in a while and not worry about paying a mint for my hobby. At the rate I'm going, 1,000 rounds of each caliber I need would probably last me the rest of my days, except for 22cal. My girl and I love to wring out the Walther P22 because it's so cheap to shoot. I'm not worried about the "Alien Invasion". Foreign invasion? I will say that as long as our citizens are armed, I think most countries would think twice about trying to invade us. I believe it is necessary for our nation to keep it's strength as an armed nation and would like to do my part to the fullest extent of the law.

BTW a limit based on # of rounds doesn't make much sense to me now because different rounds have different amounts of explosive material. Hmmmmm? For example, How could the possible explosive hazard of 500 rnds of 22 equal 500 rnds of 50 bmg? When I get rich, I'll just buy a low income housing community and put 10,000 rnds in each roach infested unit. In sealed battlepacks, in ammo cans, of course. Dessicant and roach bait for one and all!! Let's see 100 units x 10,000 rnds = 1,000,000 rnds. Please don't wake me up. If I'm dreaming....I'm dreaming BIG.
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Hey, when the Zombies come crawling out of the ground, your going to have to apologize for that comment, before you may seek safety in my Zombie proof bunker and share my ammo cache.
If your reasoning behind stocking up on metric tons of ammo is the inevitable undead invasion then that's fine by me. Personally I would be more worried about a rogue government... Ours or others. Either way, I think stocking up is a good idea. And please don't turn me away from your doorstep!
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IIRC, small arms ammunition is considered Flammable rather than Explosive. Bulk primers are another matter...but they are pretty safe unless exposed to high heat, as is ammunition unless it is confined in a suitable chamber. Those That Know would like powder in a magazine with a "weak wall" so as to relieve gas pressure in a fire before it gets high enough for the burn rate to take off and- Boom!.

All that said, military ammo cans are plenty good, even for a big pile of ammo. It keeps things separated by steel enough that things won't "take off".

Back when I was still working, they ran us through a Hazardous Materials class for Fire Dispatch. This included placards. Did you know that there is a worse placard to see than "Explosive"? It is highly deceptive, too:

"Dangerous"
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Originally Posted by evlblkwpnz View Post
I am concerned with stocking up because I don't want to pay through the nose for it in the future. I remember when decent 7.62x39 was $2 per 20 round box and I see how it has risen in just a few years. .
When Clinton came into office, SKS's were $75, a NIB MAK-90 was $150, and bulk 7.62x39 in berdan primered steel cases were easily had for $30 for a 1,000 rounds. Times are changing fast, especially when 5.56 was $2.99 a box just after the war to $10 a box. Sounds like not only gold has increased dramatically lately.
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