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Old 03-22-2006, 19:34   #1
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How to spot a baby conservative

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...d=970599119419

KID POLITICS | Whiny children, claims a new study, tend to grow up rigid and traditional. Future liberals, on the other hand ...

Mar. 19, 2006. 10:45 AM
KURT KLEINER
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Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative.

At least, he did if he was one of 95 kids from the Berkeley area that social scientists have been tracking for the last 20 years. The confident, resilient, self-reliant kids mostly grew up to be liberals.

The study from the Journal of Research Into Personality isn't going to make the UC Berkeley professor who published it any friends on the right. Similar conclusions a few years ago from another academic saw him excoriated on right-wing blogs, and even led to a Congressional investigation into his research funding.

But the new results are worth a look. In the 1960s Jack Block and his wife and fellow professor Jeanne Block (now deceased) began tracking more than 100 nursery school kids as part of a general study of personality. The kids' personalities were rated at the time by teachers and assistants who had known them for months. There's no reason to think political bias skewed the ratings — the investigators were not looking at political orientation back then. Even if they had been, it's unlikely that 3- and 4-year-olds would have had much idea about their political leanings.

A few decades later, Block followed up with more surveys, looking again at personality, and this time at politics, too. The whiny kids tended to grow up conservative, and turned into rigid young adults who hewed closely to traditional gender roles and were uncomfortable with ambiguity.

The confident kids turned out liberal and were still hanging loose, turning into bright, non-conforming adults with wide interests. The girls were still outgoing, but the young men tended to turn a little introspective.

Block admits in his paper that liberal Berkeley is not representative of the whole country. But within his sample, he says, the results hold. He reasons that insecure kids look for the reassurance provided by tradition and authority, and find it in conservative politics. The more confident kids are eager to explore alternatives to the way things are, and find liberal politics more congenial.

In a society that values self-confidence and out-goingness, it's a mostly flattering picture for liberals. It also runs contrary to the American stereotype of wimpy liberals and strong conservatives.

Of course, if you're studying the psychology of politics, you shouldn't be surprised to get a political reaction. Similar work by John T. Jost of Stanford and colleagues in 2003 drew a political backlash. The researchers reviewed 44 years worth of studies into the psychology of conservatism, and concluded that people who are dogmatic, fearful, intolerant of ambiguity and uncertainty, and who crave order and structure are more likely to gravitate to conservatism. Critics branded it the "conservatives are crazy" study and accused the authors of a political bias.

Jost welcomed the new study, saying it lends support to his conclusions. But Jeff Greenberg, a social psychologist at the University of Arizona who was critical of Jost's study, was less impressed.

"I found it to be biased, shoddy work, poor science at best," he said of the Block study. He thinks insecure, defensive, rigid people can as easily gravitate to left-wing ideologies as right-wing ones. He suspects that in Communist China, those kinds of people would likely become fervid party members.

The results do raise some obvious questions. Are nursery school teachers in the conservative heartland cursed with classes filled with little proto-conservative whiners?

Or does an insecure little boy raised in Idaho or Alberta surrounded by conservatives turn instead to liberalism?

Or do the whiny kids grow up conservative along with the majority of their more confident peers, while only the kids with poor impulse control turn liberal?

Part of the answer is that personality is not the only factor that determines political leanings. For instance, there was a .27 correlation between being self-reliant in nursery school and being a liberal as an adult. Another way of saying it is that self-reliance predicts statistically about 7 per cent of the variance between kids who became liberal and those who became conservative. (If every self-reliant kid became a liberal and none became conservatives, it would predict 100 per cent of the variance). Seven per cent is fairly strong for social science, but it still leaves an awful lot of room for other influences, such as friends, family, education, personal experience and plain old intellect.

For conservatives whose feelings are still hurt, there is a more flattering way for them to look at the results. Even if they really did tend to be insecure complainers as kids, they might simply have recognized that the world is a scary, unfair place.

Their grown-up conclusion that the safest thing is to stick to tradition could well be the right one. As for their "rigidity," maybe that's just moral certainty.

The grown-up liberal men, on the other hand, with their introspection and recognition of complexity in the world, could be seen as self-indulgent and ineffectual.

Whether anyone's feelings are hurt or not, the work suggests that personality and emotions play a bigger role in our political leanings than we think. All of us, liberal or conservative, feel as though we've reached our political opinions by carefully weighing the evidence and exercising our best judgment. But it could be that all of that careful reasoning is just after-the-fact self-justification. What if personality forms our political outlook, with reason coming along behind, rationalizing after the fact?

It could be that whom we vote for has less to do with our judgments about tax policy or free trade or health care, and more with the personalities we've been stuck with since we were kids.

Kurt Kleiner is a Toronto-based freelance science writer.
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Old 03-22-2006, 20:57   #2
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Study was done in Berkeley?'Nuff said!
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Old 03-22-2006, 21:06   #3
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Hee Hee! I knew there had to be some deep, childhood insecurity psychology involved in why conservatives are the way they are.

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yeah thats us whining all the time with our hands out demanding more.
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Old 03-22-2006, 21:30   #5
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This ain't Berkeley...

"Of course, if you're studying the psychology of politics, you shouldn't be surprised to get a political reaction. Similar work by John T. Jost of Stanford and colleagues in 2003 drew a political backlash. The researchers reviewed 44 years worth of studies into the psychology of conservatism, and concluded that people who are dogmatic, fearful, intolerant of ambiguity and uncertainty, and who crave order and structure are more likely to gravitate to conservatism."

"A few decades later, Block followed up with more surveys, looking again at personality, and this time at politics, too. The whiny kids tended to grow up conservative, and turned into rigid young adults who hewed closely to traditional gender roles and were uncomfortable with ambiguity.

The confident kids turned out liberal and were still hanging loose, turning into bright, non-conforming adults with wide interests. The girls were still outgoing, but the young men tended to turn a little introspective."

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Honestly...I was like that as a kid....its scary, but the study seems true from my expirence and observation of others....
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I wasn't, LonePathfinder. I was extremely calm, even tempered and relaxed as a child. That has continued into adulthood and I'm about as conservative as they come. Read that again, guys. A true conservative, NOT a Neo-Con.
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Old 03-23-2006, 06:33   #8
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Davey, you mean you're not "dogmatic, fearful, intolerant of ambiguity and uncertainty, and crave order and structure?."
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Man... what a waste of our tax money. I've got to learn how to conduct studies!!

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Originally Posted by Boogyman


Davey, you mean you're not "dogmatic, fearful, intolerant of ambiguity and uncertainty, and crave order and structure?."
Hmmm...I guess that does sound a little like me...
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Originally Posted by Boogyman
This ain't Berkeley...

"Of course, if you're studying the psychology of politics, you shouldn't be surprised to get a political reaction. Similar work by John T. Jost of Stanford and colleagues in 2003 drew a political backlash. The researchers reviewed 44 years worth of studies into the psychology of conservatism, and concluded that people who are dogmatic, fearful, intolerant of ambiguity and uncertainty, and who crave order and structure are more likely to gravitate to conservatism."

"A few decades later, Block followed up with more surveys, looking again at personality, and this time at politics, too. The whiny kids tended to grow up conservative, and turned into rigid young adults who hewed closely to traditional gender roles and were uncomfortable with ambiguity.

The confident kids turned out liberal and were still hanging loose, turning into bright, non-conforming adults with wide interests. The girls were still outgoing, but the young men tended to turn a little introspective."


John T. Jost? The co-author of "Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition"

http://psychoanalystsopposewar.org/resources_files/ConsevatismAsMotivatedSocialCognition.pdf

"There are also cases of left-wing ideologues who, once they are in power, steadfastly resist change, allegedly in the name of egalitarianism, such as Stalin or Khrushchev or Castro (see J. Martin, Scully, & Levitt, 1990). It is reasonable to suggest that some of these historical figures may be considered politically conservative"


That’s funny, I don’t care who you are...
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Originally Posted by tri70
Man... what a waste of our tax money. I've got to learn how to conduct studies!!

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ya your not kidding we could make it a joint study how about what hapens when you shoot lots of ammo over a 50 year langth we should atleast get 50 mill.
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Yea but I bet this study is more indicative of the younger generations and probably children in urban areas. I'm in generation Y (23) which I think runs from about 1980 to 1995 or so, I'd have to check my marketing books for more info. I also grew up in more a less suburbia USA near enough to the city to go to school in town, but far enough in the country for my parents to have about 6 acres of property.

Each generation would have been raised differently. Baby Boomers would have been raised and schooled by the WWII generation, where as Gen X and Gen Y would have been raised by Baby Boomers and Gen Y to some extent educated by Gen X (as far as teachers).
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Come to thinking about it, this study seems to hit the nail right on the head!

Most conservatives I know are:

Not much fun

Very rigid in their thinking

Subservient to authority

Intolerant of change or new ideas

Easily embarrassed

Inclined to judge people by their appearance

Very fearful of anything that might upset their tidy existence

Insecure

Hyper-aware of their own image

Easily frightened by strangeness

Unable to adapt to new situations

Conformists to the status quo

Very concerned about how others perceive them

Inclined to reduce complexity to simplicity

Suspicious of strangers

Fearful of negative judgement

I guess considering all this it's easy to see why conservatives hate liberals so much, and are always bashing them. They consider liberals a threat, or in other words, are afraid of them!

Oh boy, here comes the backlash... (bracing myself)

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F*** YOU.... just kiding I think you are sort of wrong on this one boogy while yes their are some conservatives are panzy's but I know a lot that are some of the finest people i have ever met. I now an SF guy that is one of the finest christians I have ever met. and I like struckture but also like 'shooting from the hip' it depends who I am with.
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Originally Posted by SPARTEN117
ya your not kidding we could make it a joint study how about what hapens when you shoot lots of ammo over a 50 year langth we should atleast get 50 mill.
Now your talking!! If we shoot for 50 yrs does that make us want to go postal or just appreciate the value of good guns and ammo!!

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Originally Posted by treedawg
"I found it to be biased, shoddy work, poor science at best," he said of the Block study. He thinks insecure, defensive, rigid people can as easily gravitate to left-wing ideologies as right-wing ones. He suspects that in Communist China, those kinds of people would likely become fervid party members.
The premise used to try and "prove" this study wrong is incorrect.

"Communist" China is no more Communist than Communist Russia was. Or Communist Cuba.

They are instead fascist states that "pretend" to be all about the people, when in reality it's all about a few people in charge- the very definition of political conservatism. Rigid about ideology, structure, politics, lifestyle, ethics, tradition, etc.

Certainly the tradition of "communist" countries were created by the parties themselves, but they are nonetheless politically conservative governments.

True communism is nothing even CLOSE to what these Socialist states were like. Nothing close. The basic ideals were there, but never truly practiced.

In fact, I bet if any of you studied what true communism is, you'd think it was a pretty damn good idea. Until you realized that human nature itself is what would make true communism fail.
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