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Old 05-01-2012, 16:30   #51
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Originally Posted by RubiSCAR View Post
FN SCAR 17, 8.5 lbs of 7.62x51mm justice.
It sounds like you are getting a 17s or have one. I bought myself one for my own personal birthday gift; last JULY . Still lovin' and sentimentally attached to my 187 series Ranch Rifle tho.. Back to business ...... you are right 8.5 lbs. or 9 with a little scope. Not too heavy.
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Originally Posted by theboonedockssaint View Post
It is a free work out! Ditch the gym buy more .308 and run with your AR 10 over head for 5 miles!
until your gun hating neighbor calls the cops on you


wish I could go for a beach run with my body armor, full mags, and rifle.

but alas... the attention it would get would be uhhhh... undesirable.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Snuffalupagus View Post
until your gun hating neighbor calls the cops on you


wish I could go for a beach run with my body armor, full mags, and rifle.

but alas... the attention it would get would be uhhhh... undesirable.
Make it a charity event. Recruit other like minded nuts and raise money for Wounded Warriors or some such. Heck, call it the Full Battle Rattle Beach Run and have the press come give you free publicity.
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Weight an issue for some in a 308? Here's one answer: DPMS AP4. 7 1/4 Lbs. Comes with a Miculek comp. And that comp makes anything sound loud! Light, loud and lovely. What more could you ask for except maybe a M1A SOCOM? One can have their cake and eat it too. As ya get a little older a couple of pounds ain't that fun carrying in the woods. And some times you don't have to give up too much. Went from a 12 to a 20 slug gun and the deer don't know the difference. 556 vs the 308 though, 200 yard chuck gun vs a round that'll take down an elk. There the extra knock down power is worth every ounce.
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308 too heavy...? Too powerful...?

Nope!
Been using AG-3F1 (HK G3A5 with G3A4 stock) for ages, weighs in at approx 10 lbs clean, 11-12 lbs with optics and B&T rails.
Someone needs to bulk up a bit methinks...

Controllable too, if ya know what you're doing.
Check this:
Not me, I prefer semi auto fire (it's a buddy of mine, to be fair, he's just having a bit of fun), but it is quite controllable with a little bit of practice.
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Rifle no, it's the ammo that starts to be. Yes I know real men who have their vests loaded up with twelve 20 rnd mags waiting for the apocalypse. I've found eight to be challenge if I still want to carry my home on my back plus water. Of course a side arm is a necessity and any connoisseur of 308 battle rifles would not be caught dead with a handgun caliber under .45, so the 1911 or double stacked .45 gets worn. 45 ACP weight adds up, especially in twelve rnd HK USP mags. A hundred and eighty rounds can go fast in a firefight while nine 30rnd mags of 7.62x39 or 5.56 makes more sense if you have to hump, run and gun. Now if you get to ride into battle, a FAL with twelve mags makes a lot of sense. Full powered battle rifles can control a lot of ground.
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Old 06-14-2012, 07:08   #57
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Old 06-21-2012, 20:18   #58
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I'm a bigger is better kinda guy to, but lets face it at any giving point one is going to have to cover the other and that is a fact. One man is not going to be able to defend what is his alone with or without multiple platforms.
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My son is a big man. He carried a M240 in Afghanistan and won't talk about the Tallybans (miss spelled on purpose) that aren't here anymore. He is not Infantry, he is comm, but he's big and strong so he got the nod. He loved it and used it to his advantage. Much heavier than any a 7.62 weapon, but he managed. Got into a six hour battle with them f'ers, he lived and they got their just reward (whatever that might be).
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I preferred the m249 myself and always elected to trade to it if it wasn't issued to me (which was rare) Some people on here don't realize some units will work with you on choices even when your not infantry so carefull you don't get the trolls after you. Anyway I seemed to shoot those better than the m16 or m4 and didn't have to worry about failures as much if at all.
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DH1633PM, Thanks for raising a boy that sent our nations enemies to the great beyond. It doesn't matter if he used a 7.62x51, 5.56x45, or a .22LR.
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Originally Posted by tcallre View Post
DH1633PM, Thanks for raising a boy that sent our nations enemies to the great beyond. It doesn't matter if he used a 7.62x51, 5.56x45, or a .22LR.
Ditto to that, despite what kiwi thinks perhaps we did do something for the common man on the street either way we served our time and don't disrespect those who didn't so they shouldn't disrespect those that did. Anyway I think most big caliber weapons will remain heavy till they can find some new age material that is light and can handle high pressures//stress
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A FAL to heavy??? Hmmm I was delighted when I was issued my L1A1 SLR, my previous assigned weapon was a shoulder fired 84mm anti tank gun. (Carl Gustafe AKA Charlie G.) Now that WAS heavy!! Add 4 rounds of 84mm HESH plus the ergonomics of a barber wire wrapped brick and you may appreciate my delight.
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Originally Posted by gavbar View Post
A FAL to heavy??? Hmmm I was delighted when I was issued my L1A1 SLR, my previous assigned weapon was a shoulder fired 84mm anti tank gun. (Carl Gustafe AKA Charlie G.) Now that WAS heavy!! Add 4 rounds of 84mm HESH plus the ergonomics of a barber wire wrapped brick and you may appreciate my delight.
The L1A1 and all the other 308 battle rifles are a little on the heavy side but only when compared to their little brothers. The loaded mags themselves feel hefty. But there is something about having one in your hands, the L1A1 fits very nicely, eats whatever you feed it, and is much less finicky than a lot of other 308 battle rifles.
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Not too heavy... not too light - the M14 is just right.

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As always nice '14 waterman. I am about ~130lbs and my favorite rifle is the M1A/M14 and pistol is a .45 1911. I don't think either is too heavy, even with a full loadout.
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Nice to see this thread living again. I shot my first deer back in 1963 with an M1 at about 150 yards.

I'm 68 now and I still like to tote my para FAL around the desert shooting those angry cactus that pop up over the hills and I usually carry 3 extra mags on my treks which are usually about 2 hours long. Good exercise and a lot of fun.

If you think a battle rifle is too heavy and you're younger than me, you definitely need to back away from the video game and get outside a little bit more.
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I'm thinking that today's youngsters are way too spoiled! I've humped everything from Enfields, Bren guns and SLRs, and the ammo. Talk to a Bren loader who carries over 24 mags of 303 x 30/ or later, 7.62 plus his rifle, mags and kit, not to mention other web gear.. etc. A FAL weighs nothing and regardless, when you really NEED to use it, trust me, it doesn't matter if you have to lift a bus. Sure 5.56 M4s weighs nothing and you can carry a lot of ammo, but I'd rather keep my distance and punch big holes with my 7.62.
I spoke to a returning USMC medic recently who told me of effective fire coming from the mountains, way out of 5.56 range .. and when they eventually found them, they were using WWII Enfields..... . I wonder if weight was on their minds when they were outgunning the M16 crowd? Of course, they weren't bright enough to move... but that's another story.
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Originally Posted by H2O MAN View Post
Not too heavy... not too light - the M14 is just right.

NICE M14! How's that Vortex working for you?
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In 1776 the average American soldier stood 5.4". His weapon the Brown Bess Musket was over 6 feet with fixed bayonet and weighted 14 lbs. loaded.
But then the American "Patriots" were not playing "Hide and Seek" with the Redcoats.
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Good point Mr Ranger
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Originally Posted by Brenman View Post
NICE M14! How's that Vortex working for you?
The Smith Vortex is working great... I have them on my M14s, an AR, and an AK.
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Remember guys... The Garand and the M14 were made for men. Now women are getting involved. God help us.
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Good point wetncold.
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Originally Posted by Durango Ranger View Post
In 1776 the average American soldier stood 5.4". His weapon the Brown Bess Musket was over 6 feet with fixed bayonet and weighted 14 lbs. loaded.
But then the American "Patriots" were not playing "Hide and Seek" with the Redcoats.
Except the Brits had the Brown Bess, but point well taken anyhow. I have one hanging on my wall with bayonet attached and I sure wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of it!
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