I have a picture of my short-gas fn-Fal in the gallery, since I posted that picture, I have added a DSA scope mount to it. I like the whole short-gas setup so much, I am building a second one that has a heavy barrel profile, I can not wait to get it finished. My only issue is do I want to spend money on a DSA lightweight lower or stick with a steel lower and do I add a scope mount or not.
I took mine to the rifle gallery yesterday and hit pop ups at 100,150 and 200yrds with the irons like a hammer hits nails. Targets were approx 8"wide x 10"tall. I didn't even know I could see that well anymore. I'm going to save the scope for when I really need it.
Hmmmmm. Granddad carried an 18lb BAR with a belt loaded with 12 magazines, each 20 rounds of 30/06.
I carry an AR-10 type with 12 magazines, each loaded with 20 rounds of 7.62.
I'm 4" taller and 30lbs heavier than Granddad was. If I can't carry the load it ain't the rifle's fault. I may carry fewer rounds than a guy with an AR-15, but I plan on needing fewer, too.
My experience with these run-and-gun "tactical" shoots is that they involve "engage, this target with x many rounds, move to here, engage this target ...". There is no consideration of what you are shooting and it's all set up on the theory that you need multiple hits. I don't plan on it.
Just my opinion but if the FAL or other type guns are to "heavy" problem is you aren't spending enough time in the weight room, not the gun. Just my opinion. SCAR-H is another good point.. Thats pretty damn light, and still has the 308.
DSA sells the short handguards. There is also a guy named Adam762 I think on the falfiles.com website who can turn your fullsize FAL into a short gas type.
Here's another. Attachment 21188
That FAL is damn sexy. I insist you put it away before I have to start selling stuff to buy one.
Heavy...lol...okay! How about we get off the couch and run with packs and rifles like our fathers, grandfathers, great grandfathers, and fore fathers! Or we can sit on our foo-fee futon couches and cry like little girls cause anything heavier than our lil 9mm polymer pistols are just to dang heavy and hurt our PlayStation wrists and our Xbox hands and make our pansy little muscle-less bodies ache to the point we need pain killers and Prozac to be happy. So lets put down the junk food and grow a pair and man up and get some real man exercise from real work outs the old school way and not use our Kinect? Maybe if we made real men... they would like and carry real guns!!! Then we could go back to kicking butz and taking names and not be PC and afraid to sweat! You never see the DUKE crying or whining. FAl etc and .30 cals are man guns...to heavy please start posting in the ladies section...okay..they are tougher than you...scratch that!!!!
Kev please start a posies-pansy section for the new breed! Buttercup area or huckleberry .30 cal haters or????
As a pasty-skinned, doughy-armed, exercise-phobic lardarse of a man I am finding the idea that a couple of extra pounds is too heavy.
I'd rather carry a "heavy" rifle with a good optic and 100rds that do the job than a lighter, flimsier rifle with 10lbs of dress-up and 200rds of hopped-up .22 that can't punch through a simple block wall, thanks.
ROTFLMAO!!!!
AR10's, Fals, M1as, Garands, to heavy eat meat and work out! X-box and the couch are not you friends... .30 cals and bigger, fresh air and the smell of gunpowder in the early AM! That builds muscles!
some of us are fathers - grandfathers , just sayin
but yes i still lug a 308 as well as the 223 for that moment when its time , and a 45 as well as 9mm , its just that this thread is so 'young' , thanks for being that , we were young once - and have not forgotten
Rhodesian Combat Veterans confirm that the FN-FAL was too heavy for LRRP activities. They preferred the AK. That said, it's only a concern if you're fighting a Bush War in Africa. A wonderful rifle, but probably too heavy for non-18 year old bodies to hump for days at a time.
Too heavy? Are you kidding me? The only complaint I got about my FAL is the magazines arent built as heavy or as rugged as the AK-47 Mags! But then again I dont own a X-Box 360 or Playstation III and I spend a lot of time out doors and my idea of a real meal is a 22 ounce porter house and a two fisted baked potato not tofu and salad greens. No I am not a lard azz neither at 5'11" and 190 lbs. Talk about the wussyfication of modern man...
Too heavy? Are you kidding me? The only complaint I got about my FAL is the magazines arent built as heavy or as rugged as the AK-47 Mags! But then again I dont own a X-Box 360 or Playstation III and I spend a lot of time out doors and my idea of a real meal is a 22 ounce porter house and a two fisted baked potato not tofu and salad greens. No I am not a lard azz neither at 5'11" and 190 lbs. Talk about the wussyfication of modern man...
I agree with all of the above, except I'll take my steak and potato with some roasted broccoli, and I do happen to own a PS III
My dream gun is an 18" barreled M1A in a Troy MCS
and I'd carry the eff out of it when I went hunting...
on foot, at 6-8k feet on the side of our volcano.
i rather carry a .308 knowing it won't ever fail me and i'm a skinny guy, i've never had a problem with stronger/heavier rifles, you won't be thinking "man this rifle is heavy" when you're getting shot at.
I just added a USA made Stoll type muzzle brake and bipod to mine. Added some weight up front but made it easier to swing, point and shoot off hand. Accuracy improved also.
God knows I carried 1000rds if linked 7.62x51 ammo, along with a spare barrel and a tripod... Along with my own weapon and ammo... Now that was a load with body armor, water, assault pack etc..
My FAL isn't bad to carry at all.
My Sub 1/4-1/2 MOA FAL
The military are testing caseless ammo now, that should cut down some weight
By the time guys add all the whistles and bells to the ARs they might weight as much as a MBR. Now if you kept the AR 15' s as they where ment to be... They could argue for the weight savings.
"Ounces equal pounds, pounds equal pain"
The reason the M16 was designed was to have a more controllable firearm on full auto and to get more rounds with the soldier out in the field. We are talking about 'Nam though.
IIRC the U.S Army did a study during the war and they figured out that it took something along the lines of 15,000 rounds of "spray and pray" 5.56mm to kill one VC
My grandpa calls the 5.56x45mm a gopher round
If i could afford to shoot the M1A, I would have it in a heart beat. I love the garand action. But the Mini was less than half the price and the ammo prices are about half as well. So for being 18 it was pretty much a no brainer.
Although you better believe the second I can afford to own a M1A and shoot one that it'll be in my closet
As well balanced as most .308 battle rifles are, weight is really a non-issue. I find an 18'' FAL easier to carry afield than my 20'' HBAR AR-15, because of balance alone.
cost is less than you think. i started with a single stage lee kit for a $100. with add ons like a digital scale and case prep tools im still no more than 200.
once you start you recoup your money rather quickly.
ROTFLMAO!!!!
AR10's, Fals, M1as, Garands, to heavy eat meat and work out! X-box and the couch are not you friends... .30 cals and bigger, fresh air and the smell of gunpowder in the early AM! That builds muscles!
It is a free work out! Ditch the gym buy more .308 and run with your AR 10 over head for 5 miles!
Kevin
7.62 is the winner
COWBOY the F UP!
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