FN-FAL Talk Tech Talk about the Fabrique Nationale FAL and it's variants.

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Old 10-24-2009, 17:07   #1
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Whats Your Tightest group?

Okay so we all know that a battle rifle is not a sub moa gun.. But i was wondering what are some of the nicest groups you've got.

*Also what tricks did you use to attain these groups? was it tricking it out with aftermarket rails and flashlights and lasers and tasels? just kiding but really what can be done to a FN-FAL to improve accuracy? I dont own one..... YET.... but i want to research first and i would like to know how they shoot and what makes them better.
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Old 03-12-2011, 05:09   #2
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I have 4 different makes of FAL's and have not shot them for quite a few years here in Canada since the powers that be have put them on a "prohibited" list and give no permit to transport to a range anymore. When I did shoot them regularly I used mostly Argentinian surplus ammo.

At 100 yards I have never got better than about 1 3/4" and that was with what I thought was the worst of the bunch, a Rifle Ishapore (East Indian) beater that had seen some serious action overseas at one time. Next would be an converted automatic Israeli FAL with a heavy barrel. My belgium made FAL printed around 2" or a little over that but would appear to be made to the highest standards of the bunch.

All of these had iron sights with several of the used battle rifles having some slop on the sights (read wiggle room) that most likely contributed to loss of accuracy shot to shot.
I have never shot one with glass optics but don't think it would matter with me since my eyes are still good and used to iron.

I would think the barrel quality would play a big part in accuracy and then it would be a matter of how consistantly the rifle locks the ammo in the chamber. I do remember firing a Canadian c1 that shot some tight groups if loaded single shot and the bolt dropped on each round individually. It spread out a bit if fed from the mag.
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I've found that these rifles are ammo sensitive. I suspect that working up handloads could match or exceed the performance of this factory ammo. Below is a picture of one of the best groups I have from an 18" DSA SA58. No tricks other than using a 3-9x scope mounted on a DSA heavy duty scope mount. None of the various brands of mil-surp ammo come even close to groups like these.


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Old 03-14-2011, 15:20   #4
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thanks for the reply's. i still dont have a FAL but i picked up a cetme for cheap and now i know why i got it for cheap i have to take it to a smith and get some trigger work done because it shoots 2-3 rounds with one trigger pull. so thats not good lol. but im going to see if i can get it to shoot, if not i think it is going to fun a m1 garand or maybe a 1903
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Not all FAL's are created equal. You get a true Belgian FN FAL and it will shoot most ammo within a MOA at 100 yds if you know how to shoot. I have a friend in AZ that has several of the Belgian made FAL's and he shoots sub MOA @ 1000 yds pretty consistently with his. His National Match M1A barely shoots a tighter group at the same distance.

You need good ammo and a good eye to reach out there, but the weapon itself is certainly capable of sub MOA groups.
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Who says FAL's wont do sub moa? Small group is 25 yard zeroing, larger is 100 yards.Imbel FAL with Vortex strike fire red/green dot.
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I had one of my lowers outfitted with a Williams trigger group, which gave me a really nice trigger pull with very little creep. That modification alone has allowed me to shoot plenty of groups that averaged about 1 to 1.5 moa at 100 yards. I also like to have my headspace a little on the tight side as well. Those two things alone will go a long way toward improving your groups.The very last thing you must do is practice, practice and then practice some more!
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Originally Posted by Airacuda View Post
Who says FAL's wont do sub moa? Small group is 25 yard zeroing, larger is 100 yards.Imbel FAL with Vortex strike fire red/green dot.
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Shot mine today and my 100 yard group looks like your 25 yard zero.. All my holes were touching to where you could put nickel over the holes I was using 150gr Barnes bullets, in the prone with the rifle over my assault pack. Mine is an L1A1, but still basically the same. With surplus ammo it won't shoot that, even with surplus FMJBT ammo, but with the Barnes ammo, it easily shoots sub MOA. The only thing I have done to it was put an 4-12x56 mil dot scope on it. Other than that it's basically unchanged from when it was built in Australia in 1966 and used in Vietnam. Of course I have a different barrel on it now, took the Aussie wood off and the fire controls had to be fixed so it wouldn't shoot full auto... Semi only now.
Here's a pic of the rifle
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And Australia didn't even make the good ones.
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Some are better than others... I prefer the L1A1 over the FN, folding charging handle, groves cut in the bolt to help with sandy areas, it will accept inch or metric mags, etc.
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Originally Posted by Steve in Allentown, PA View Post
I've found that these rifles are ammo sensitive. I suspect that working up handloads could match or exceed the performance of this factory ammo. Below is a picture of one of the best groups I have from an 18" DSA SA58. No tricks other than using a 3-9x scope mounted on a DSA heavy duty scope mount. None of the various brands of mil-surp ammo come even close to groups like these.

Mine will shoot groups like this at 100yds with open sights but only with the gas plug turned off, single shot. I'm using M-80 bullets and surplus WC-846 powder.

Three shots into one ragged hole at 50yds is common.
The lower is an early BGS serial # 208, produced for the second trials. Barrel, bolt etc. are early G1 with a Stoll muzzle brake I added. Humpback plastic stock and metal stg handguards and bipod. Also have a set of plastic bipod cut handguards for hot weather and non-bipod cut.
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My gas setting is on about 4 and like I said earlier, it was easily shooting 1/2 MOA at 100yrds. I'm a believer in Barnes bullets now.
I'll get some pics of it next time I take it out. I couldn't believe it shot what it did and my father couldn't either.
Maybe it was just A lucky day with all the stars and moon aligned just right, but either way, it was easily 1/2 MOA

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Not my best, but shows what better versions of the platform are capable of. DSA StG58, Leupold 4X scope, handloaded match bullets, prone, 100yds.

Five-shot group measures .90 inch (coin is U.S. penny).

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barrel attachment

i actually shot only few rounds from fn fal, but have to conclude that the barrel is not designed that well especially how it is attached to the gun body i found the barrel vibrates too much especially if you use low grade ammunition. Thus i have to agree that because of this there is inherent sensitivity to the ammo quality. But have to say compared to famas fn-fal is godsend. Famas accuracy was so horrible that at 100 yards i could not even hit the 5 inch target.
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I Shot at 50 yards with LC ball 58 that put 5 rounds in the X in 1 hole. I kept the target I'll post it one of these days. A friend came across a guy that had 5000 rds of mostly LC Match .45 and 2000 rds of LC Match 7.62X51 1980 and about 200 rds of the LC ball. For $2.00/box. I bought it. The .308 LC Match didn't shoot very well. But the brass was nice to have.
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