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Old 06-14-2010, 10:42   #26
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Wouldn't that qualify as a short-barreled rifle and require the $200 license? Or, does it qualify as a pistol? I don't know the nuances of what the distinction is between rifle and pistol. There are 223 and 7.62x39 pistols and rifles - just noting what is more commonly a rifle caliber than a pistol caliber. Whereas, a 9mm is used for both but is most commonly used as a handgun caliber. Can anyone help out here?

pretty sure that's a Short Barreled Rifle.
reason being, it started life as a rifle, not as a pistol. it could be argued that a stock cannot be easily re-attached, so its a pistol, but the whole thing could be restocked and left with an SBR.
I'm no BATFE lawyer, but that's an SBR to me

for clarification purposes, its a "stamp", not a license. one time $200 fee to BATFE

I've got 2 SBR's, both started life as rifles. you see people building "pistols" out of ARs and AKs, and usually marking them (or using marked/registed receivers) as "pistol" to be safe.
take a "pistol" so you can play with your new toy, till your tax stamp comes thru 4 months later and you can put a stock on it.

to muddy the water, a short barreled rifle can have a pistol grip on it (or a second one in the front), and no stock. a "pistol" can have a short barrel on it, but no stock. put a foregrip on a "pistol" or non-registered SBR, and you now have an AOW (any other weapon). good times!
of course, the AOW is only a $5 stamp, but wait and paperwork is still the same....
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Old 01-17-2011, 20:33   #27
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Yes, that's quite a testament to the Polish guerrillas' dedication -- and desperation!
very good point. during my last trip to visit my family that still remains in poland, we visited the polish resistance museum in warsaw. very awesome they have sewer mock ups that you go through, guard towers, armored vehicles.... and guns lots of guns.

the polish underground used anything they could get their hands on. pistols and sub machine guns were best since they could easily be concealed. but what ever they could get their hands on was like gold.

my grand father used a bread knife several times during his escape in 1939. him and 2 friends killed several nazis and stole their guns... and one car. when trying to flee in the stolen car they realized none of them knew how to drive LOL

the polish made very good weapons Radom weapons are very good quality. too bad they were a neutral nation when they got invaded. my grandfathers uncle was the minister of war.
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:56   #28
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That would definitely be a wrist "cramper" for certain. I'm sure it was effective. In that situation you'd use a sealed drain pipe and gunpowder if it was possible. Anything to fight the oppressors.
On a side note I'd actually like to have the one posted above by freesw.
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Old 02-12-2011, 21:23   #29
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Ha! Cool, but ridiculous!
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Old 11-22-2011, 21:50   #30
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They were used at close range by confidence killers, much like the crude, single-shot improvised pistols the CIA taught freedom fighters to use in the 1960's. The con killer is no more complicated than any other con man, except instead of stealing from his mark, he kills him.

Also note that because the weapon was usually fired at point-blank range, it was often fired with the palm of the hand over the end of the pistol grip nub, allowing the arm to take the recoil directly, not torsioning the wrist.

There were instances during WWII when the Russians cut down their rifles into pistols for city warfare, but for the most part, Mosins this short were for the express purpose of close contact assassinations.
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Old 11-29-2011, 13:13   #31
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Im wondering how safe these are. Any feedback on problems ?
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Old 07-31-2012, 05:56   #32
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Terribly old thread, I know...but your Mosins reminded me of this. Maybe they were used for the same thing?

SMLE used in polar bear trap in The Lee Enfield Forum Forum
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Old 08-01-2012, 23:25   #33
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Originally Posted by Capt. Killingfield View Post
Terribly old thread, I know...but your Mosins reminded me of this. Maybe they were used for the same thing?

SMLE used in polar bear trap in The Lee Enfield Forum Forum

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