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Old 01-07-2008, 23:39   #1
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nagant revolver

Hello folks, mosin man here, so mosin man will bring you a nagant question. I am to pick up a nagant revolver today to further extend my collection. I know ammo is hard to find and when it is found, it floats away. What else can i shoot from this nagant? I hear .32 wsm can work in them. Am i wrong? Any advice and info would be great. THanks-the mosin man
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I've shot .32 longs in mine (wadcutter). Cases bulge to fit the cylinder chambers.
My brother has shot the .32 H&R magnums in his (LRN). Some of the cases split after firing.
One downside to firing a large amount of this incorrect ammo, is lead fouling at the cone. Since the correct 7.62 Nagant ammo actually seals this area with the brass upon firing. But I must admit, I don't shoot mine much. More of a collector piece for me.

There is alot of talk on most gun and surplus forums about firing anything other than the proper 7.62 Nagant ammo. I have one box of the correct ammo just to compare the .32 long to. I will stick with shooting the .32 long until someone comes out with a reasonably price 7.62 Nagant load.

As always, wear ear and eye protection when shooting.

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Well i finally came back from picking up the big boy. Thing is hefty but handier at the same time. I love it. I picked up some Hotshot brand ammunition in 7.62x38mm and some parvi partisan SW .32 long.All together, it cost me 137 with some lose change. Shes marked 1937 to go along with my 1937 91/30. All in all, thanks Ash for the info, i will try to keep her clean. Here is some relic porn for y'all.
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ok, ill post pics later, having computer problems
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Here she is folks
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another as well..., there will be a range report on Saturday.
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Looks nice. And paired up with a Mosin M44? or is it a M91/30 in the second picture.
The Nagant looks just like mine.

Have you tried the double action pull yet? A quote from a 3 Stooges episode, "It takes the strength of a mule to pull the trigger". Disorder in the Court. LOL
Very common with all DA/SA Nagants.

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Yep ash, thats my M44. Its something of a beast to shoot, but i love it and will be getting the ammo from my brother soon. Whats a good way to clean the nagant revolver ash?
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Nice, ammo is always a great thing of happiness. Yes the kick of the M44 is not something to take too lightly, for sure.

Cleaning the Nagant revolver is a snap. I start by making sure it's empty of course. Next, pull the cylinder out and go to town with your prefered pistol cleaning method. Both for pistol and cylinder naturally.
Check out surplusrifle.com for information on the Nagant field stripping (if needed, or you're not sure, or you may already have that website bookmarked).

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I bought 2 cylinders from sog, one fit one nagant perfectly, the other, well not so good. The one that works well shoots 32 acp all day long for cheap, compared to the 762x38 ammo prices.
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I pulled some berdan-primed brass from the bucket at a nearby range and found it decapped very easily with water and a .30 cal punch...but, where the heck do you get small pistol berdan primers? I don't have a Nagant and don't reload it anyways, but I was thinking about salvaging the brass for future possibilities. Maybe I'll just forget that idea!
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Originally Posted by mosin_man View Post
Hello folks, mosin man here, so mosin man will bring you a nagant question. I am to pick up a nagant revolver today to further extend my collection. I know ammo is hard to find and when it is found, it floats away. What else can i shoot from this nagant? I hear .32 wsm can work in them. Am i wrong? Any advice and info would be great. THanks-the mosin man
you can fireform .32 SW long cartridges to fit, thats what i did for mine. Or, AFAIK there were some 32 cailber cylinders floating around for the nagants. try gun shows.
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I shoot 32 Longs in all my nagants. Better accuracy than Fiocchi Nagant ammo that cracked at the crimp about half the time. I use the cheapest 32 Long with no problems, except after a hundred plus rounds you need to clean the lead out of the forcing cones.
H&R 32 mag works too, but pressure may be a bit much.
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Old 03-07-2009, 00:07   #14
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you want real cheap shooting, have a machinist make you a swag so you can pound buckshot pellets into bullets. not super accurate, but DIRT cheap fun!
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That is a great looking pistol. I really like the second one posed with the rifle.

I've been reloading .32-20 brass for my Nagants. If you compare the 2 cases they are real close except for 2 areas, the shoulder and length. Resizing the case removes the shoulder. The shorter case does not give the gas seal. Other than that it's comparable to shooting a .38 in a .357.
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BENJAMIN THE NAGANT MAN HERE. I JOINED YOUR FORUM TO TRY AND DISPELL THE MYTHS SURROUNDING THE RUSSIAN 1895 NAGANT GAS SEAL REVOLVER.

AS FAR AS AMMUNITION GOES, YOU CAN FIRE .32 S&W, .32 S&W LONG AND .32 H&R MAGS WITH THE ORIGINAL CYLINDER, THE PROBLEM HERE IS TWO FOLD, FIRST THE .32 S&W LONG IS LOADED WITH LEAD BULLETS, AS THE REVOLVER IS FIRED MOLECULAR LEAD WILL BE DEPOSITED ON THE CYLINDER PIN IN JUST BELOW THE BREECH END OF THE BARREL, AFTER A HANDFUL OF ROUNDS THE LEAD WILL PREVENT THE CYLINDER PIN FROM BEING REMOVED, IF USING THE .32 LONG YOU MUST REMOVE THE CYLINDER PIN EVERY 25 ROUNDS OR SO AND SCRAPE THE LEAD FROM THE PIN. YOU CAN AVOID THIS ISSUE BY SIMPLY USING HARD ALLOY OR JACKETED BULLETS, THUS THE .32 H&R MAGNUM COMES INTO PLAY. THIS WORKS FAIRLY WELL, HOWEVER, THE CASE WILL BULGE IN ITS LOWER THIRD AND WILL FAIL AFTER ONE OR TWO RELOADINGS, OCCASSIONALLY A CASE WILL SPLIT ON THE FIRST FIRING. NO NEED TO WORRY ABOUT PRESSURE, SINCE THE CASE HAS TO DRAMATICALLY EXPAND TO FIT THE CHAMBER A GREAT DEAL OF THE DRIVING FORCE IS LOST TO EXPAND THE CASE. THERE IS HOWEVER AN ALTERNATIVE.

I HAVE INVENTED A NEW CARTRIDGE WHICH I HAVE CHRISTENED THE 7.62x38mm CONVENTIONAL, THIS IS REFORMED 32-20 BRASS LOADED WITH A 115 GRAIN .312 DIAMETER ALLOY PROJECTILE AND 3.5 GRAINS (STARTING LOAD) OF TRAIL BOSS POWDER. THIS CARTRIDGE FUNCTIONS WELL AND ALLOWS THE NAGANT TO BE USED AS AN EXCELLENT FIELD, TRAIL, AND DEFENSE WEAPON. THE POOR MANS HOUSE GUN I CALL IT.

IN ORDER TO USE THE REFORMED 32-20 BRASS IT IS NECESSARY TO PERFORM A SMALL MODIFICATION TO THE REVOLVER. AS THE RIM OF THE 32-20 CARTRIDGE IS THICKER THAN THAT OF THE ORIGINAL CASE MOST NAGANT REVOLVERS WILL NOT ACCEPT REFORMED 32-20 BRASS. THIS IS DUE TO THE ABUTMENT PIECE, THIS IS THE PIECE THAT PROTRUDES FROM THE BREECH FACE OF THE REVOLVER, IT CONTACTS THE END OF THE CASE AS THE CYLINDER MOVED FORWARD ON ITS PIN.

THE 32-20 RIM IS .010 THICKER THAN THE ORIGINAL CARTRIDGE. IT IS A SIMPLE MATTER TO DISASSEMBLE THE REVOLVER, REMOVE THE ABUTMENT PIECE AND WITH A DREMEL TOOL REMOVE .010 FROM ITS FRONT SURFACE, REINSTALL AND THE REVOLVER WILL NOW FUNCTION PERFECTLY WITH THE NEW CARTRIDGE WHICH CAN BE LOADED VIRTUALLY FOR PENNIES.

AS TO THE NAGANT BEING COMPLEX, THIS IS A MYTH. THE NAGANT REVOLVER UTILIZES ONLY FIVE PARTS IN THE ENTIRE ACTION, ALL POWERED BY A SINGLE SPRING. THE GUN IS QUITE SIMPLE, ROBUST AND WILL PROVE TO BE ONE OF THE FINEST REVOLVERS YOU HAVE EVER OWNED, THE ONLY REASON THE REVOLVER IS SO INEXPENSIVE IS DUE TO THE LACK OF ORIGINAL AMMUNITION. THAT PROBLEM HAS BEEN SOLVED.

I HAVE AN ENTIRE SERIES OF HELP VIDEOS ON PAGE TWO OF MY WEBSITE THENAGANTMAN.COM, I COVER ALL ASPECTS OF THE NAGANT IN DETAIL, INCLUDING THE ABOVE MENTIONED MODIFICATION, COMPLETE DISASSEMBLY, REMOVING THE MAIN SPRING, TUNING THE ACTION, MAKING THE NEW CARTRIDGE, ETC. THIS IS THE MOST DEFINITVE INFORMATION AVAILALBLE ON THIS LITTLE KNOWN AND VERY MISUNDERSTOOD REVOLVER.

YOU CAN ALSO VIEW MY VIDEOS ON YOU TUBE http://www.youtube.com/user/THENAGANTMAN. I CURRENTLY HAVE ALL OF MY NAGANT VIDEOS RUNNING AS WELL AS MANY OTHERS ON MANY DIFFERENT REVOLVERS AND SELF LOADING PISTOLS, A TOTAL OF 44 IN ALL, WITH MORE COMING IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. I AM A 01 AND 03 F.F.L. AND WAS TRAINED AS AN ARMORER AT ABERDEEN PROVING GROUNDS IN MARYLAND.

I HAVE SPENT THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS DEVOTED TO THIS PROJECT, WHEN I BEGAN MY EXPERIMENTS WITH THE NEW CARTRIDGE I CONTACTED JOHN LEE, PRESIDENT OF LEE PRECISION, AFTER READING MY OUTINE FOR THE PROJECT MR. LEE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO DONATE ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT FOR MY EXPERIMENTS. MR. CHRIS HODGDON DONATED ALL OF THE NECESSARY POWDER, AND MR. GILBERT BERRY OF BERRY'S PRECISION PLATED BULLETS DONATED SEVERAL DIFFERENT PROJECTILES FOR TESTING IN THE NEW CARTRIDGE. I CHOSE THE 115 GRAIN ALLOY AS IT IS EASILY FOUND OR MADE, WORKS QUITE WELL, IS VERY CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL WEIGHT OF THE NAGANT PROJECTILE AND DUE TO THE HARDNESS OF THE ALLOY DOES NOT LEAVE LEAD DEPOSITIS ON THE CYLINDER PIN OR BARREL.

I HAVE WRITTEN A BOOK ON THE NAGANT TITLED "THE RUSSIAN 1895 NAGANT GAS SEAL REVOLVER, AN ILLUSTRATED OWNERS MANUAL". IN THIS I COVER ALL ASPECTS OF THE NAGANT, ITS HISTORY, MAINTAINANCE, LOADING, MODIFICATION, REPAIR, ETC. THE BOOK WILL BE OUT THE FIRST OF THE NEW YEAR.

IF ANYONE HAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE NAGANT GAS SEAL REVOLVER, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME DIRECT AT THENAGANTMAN@GMAIL.COM. I ANSWER ALL EMAIL QUESTIONS AS BEST I CAN AND TRY TO HELP ANYONE WHO IS HAVING A DIFFICULTY WITH THE NAGANT. I ASK NOTHING IN RETURN, ALWAYS HAPPY TO HELP ANYONE WHO OWNS THE NAGANT GAS SEAL REVOLVER.

I HOPE I MAY BE OF SERVICE TO ANY AND ALL

REGARDS

BENJAMIN
THE NAGANT MAN
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if you are a handloader you can reform 32-20 brass with Lee's 7.62 nagant dies
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I traded for one and later swapped it for a profit, but yeah, I liked it also. The are cheap on J&G Sales.
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I heard you can use .223 brass. But as far as the bullet in 7.62. I have no idea. These are great revolvers. But saddly ammuniton is getting lost in the time warp.
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Here's an excerpt from a little chronograph testing I undertook last summer and posted on a small private forum. It was mostly about the .41 Long Colt but some various .32 revolver ammunition was tested as well as the Nagant with both its proper ammunition and with some factory .32 S&W Long ammunition. The other .32 revolvers and their performance is given here for comparison to the performance of the Nagant revolver.
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The .41 wasn't the only Long Colt cartridge in attendance at the range today. I included a little 4-inch Colt New Pocket (transition) revolver that I have and a box of both .32 Long Colt and .32 Short Colt ammunition. This revolver dates from 1905 and is in reasonable shooting condition with a fair bore and a nice, tight action. It went head's up in competition with a couple of other elderly revolvers, both chambered for the .32 S&W Long. I think it beat out it's Smith & Wesson competition for load performance.



Ammunition used was late vintage Remington .32 Long Colt and late vintage Winchester .32 Short Colt.

Remington .32 Long Colt 82 grain lead round nose

783 fps MV
112 ft./lbs. ME
72 ES
24 SD

Winchester .32 Short Colt 80 grain lead round nose

763 fps MV
103 ft./lbs. ME
54 ES
19 SD

I fired the Winchester .32 Short Colt load first. The Remington .32 Long Colt load fooled me into thinking that I could perceive a significant increase in power when I was firing it. It was longer and had a heavier bullet. The chronograph revealed how wrong perceptions may be.

The Remington .32 Long Colt load billowed great clouds of white smoke, both from the muzzle and from the barrel/cylinder gap. It didn't hang in the air like black powder smoke but dissipated in a wink. I thought this a bit unusual and excessive. I'm guessing it has something to do with the bullet lube used. The revolver was very sooty at the end of its session. I've not examined the bore closely yet but a cursory look in bright sunlight, without my reading glasses, revealed that rifling could still be seen so perhaps leading isn't too bad.

As may be seen there is very little difference in velocity performance between the .32 Long Colt and .32 Short Colt. Couple this fact with the whopping 2 grain difference in bullet weight and we effectively have identical cartridge performance.

My 1917 vintage Smith & Wesson Model 1903 .32 Hand Ejector was also carted out to the range and put through its paces with Aguila factory loads. This revolver is tight as new. It sports the 3 1/4-inch barrel which has a sparkling bright bore.


Aguila 98 grain lead round nose fired in the Smith & Wesson Model 1903

631 fps MV
87 ft./lbs ME
50 ES
20 SD

A Colt Police Positive .32 was also tested with the Aguila ammunition. This little revolver has seen better days but still has a little original finish and is serviceable. It has a 4-inch barrel.



Aguila 98 grain lead round nose fired in the Colt Police Positive

728 fps
115 ft./lbs ME
37 ES
16 SD

The surprise here for me was that the Colt gave so much higher velocity than the Smith & Wesson. I can't imagine that 3/4 inch of additional barrel length on the Colt would make much difference with a low pressure load like this Aguila .32 S&W Long ammunition.

The Police Positive is much the better gun for pleasant shooting. It gives a fuller grip and is better balanced though it is still pretty small and concealable. For me, both the Smith & Wesson Model 1903 and the Colt New Pocket have stunted grip frames with thin panels that don't afford a truly adequate grip for my fairly large hands. I enjoyed the Police Positive so much that I shot it for a while at the "spinning quail" disc target I had brought with me. I forget about actually shooting this Police Positive from time to time and need to take it out more for some great .32 fun.

I also tried the Aguila in the 7.62 Nagant revolver that Chuck sent along to me last summer, just because so many claim that it is ok to shoot .32 S&W Long in the Nagant's factory cylinder. I've already tested the revolver for accuracy with .32 S&W Long and satisfied myself that it is a non-event to fire .32 S&W Long ammunition in it. All that remained was to test .32 S&W Long for velocity and consistency.



Aguila .32 S&W Long ammunition fired in a Nagant revolver

574 fps MV
72 ft./lbs ME
25 ES
15 SD



By studying the 7 cartridge cases in the above photo, one may see a slight bulge in the .32 S&W Long that forms when it is fired in a Nagant revolver. I've fired most of a box and have not had a split. It will be noticed that the ejector rod is extended in the photo. I failed to notice this and actually loaded and fired the revolver once over the chronograph with the ejector rod extended.

So, using the same ammunition, the Colt Police Positive gave the best efficiency. It is preferred for pleasant shooting. If I bear down and really strive to shoot both the Colt and the Smith & Wesson for accuracy they group identically for me. I feel that I may be more prone to fliers with the Smith & Wesson.

The Nagant will give a really good accuracy performance with the .32 S&W Long ammunition, better in fact than it shoots its own proper ammunition. It handles, balances, and points much better than it looks. It is hopeless to load and unload with any speed. Slower than molasses, it operates like a Colt Single Action Army but with a curious pivoting ejector rod that has no spring to retract it. If under attack or fighting hand-to-hand, in a combat situation, one would have it's cylinder's compliment of 7 shots with no reasonable way to reload in a timely manner. The gas seal system for which it is famous does work, but for no purpose since the ammunition is so feeble.



Here's a test of Fiocchi factory 7.62 Nagant ammunition with a 98 grain jacketed bullet.

672 fps MV
98 ft./lbs ME
84 ES
28 SD


The numeral 10 on the target was the aiming reference for the proper 7.62 Nagant ammunition. The numeral 6 on the target was the aiming reference for the Aguilla .32 S&W Long Ammunition. Distance was 10 yards.


When considering the operation of the Nagant, one would have been just as well off to try to beat back the German hoards in 1941 if he'd been armed with a Colt Police Positive .32.
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