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Old 02-27-2006, 22:49   #1
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Japanese C&R

I know very little about Jap C&R but I wanted a rifle as a historic example but I've been to 2 gunshows and I was shocked at the prices. Nothing under $500 and usually over $600 for banged up stuff. ANYbody here mess with Jap stuff with any economical suggestions as to what to start with? For instance I have a M48 as a German example in WWII even though it isnt a K98 and it was made post war, it is mechanically a good example to shoot and understand what the Germans used. I just dont see anything Japanese that my pocketbook can tangle with. Why no Japanese $150 Mausers? i've heard the jap rifles were real pieces of crap compared to German weapons so why the pricey junk?
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Have you tried online? I've seen local Jap (not to insult anyone just don;t know the models) rifles at my gun stores for under $100. The ammo is pricey if you can find it so they usually sell cheap.
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I've seen local Jap (not to insult anyone just don;t know the models) rifles at my gun stores for under $100
Yea that price is more like it. History channel did a show on WWII jap rifles. The lack of raw materials towards wars end forced some very cheesy examples. This would be interesting to own but I wouldn't want to unload $500 on a late war model. The last gun show on Jan 11 a dude had about 15 examples but all over $500. I wanted to ask why so expensive but I was afraid he'd get mad at me. The WWII japanese soldier was usually shorter than his rifle but nowadays because of the introduction of milk into their diets many Japanese children are a head taller than their parents.
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the "last ditch" rifles are iffy at best from the last part of the war.if you can find a early model they are great rifles.they did a blow up test and the jap action was stronger than the 1903 and the K98K .
I have one made in 1939 with bayo and it is a great shooter.graf has brass and loaded ammo running about 20.00 a box if you don't handload.
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I agree that the Arisaka rifles are becoming ever more difficult to find. I've seen a few stunningly beautiful specimens, but mostly I find overpriced beat-up examples. If you have any luck, let us know.
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Old 03-18-2006, 13:42   #6
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JAPANESE TYPE 38 RIFLE MATCHING WITH A BEAUTIFUL STOCK
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IS A MATCHING TYPE 38 LONG RIFLE. THE RIFLE DOES NOT HAVE A MUM BUT THE MUM HAS BEEN EXPERTLY MACHINED OFF. THE RIFLE'S BOLT AND RECEIVER IS MATCHING. THE STOCK IS IN NEW CONDITION AND IN GREAT SHAPE. THE METAL HAS SOME PITTING BUT NOT TOO BAD. THE BORE IS BRIGHT AND STRONG.
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JAPANESE TYPE 38 RIFLE WITHOUT THE MUM
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THIS IS A JAPANESE TYPE 38 LONG RIFLE. THE RIFLE IS MISMATCHED, AND DOES NOT HAVE THE MUM OR THE CLEANING ROD. THE BORE IS BRIGHT AND SHINY WITH LOTS OF RIFLING REMAINING. IT IS IN 6.5 JAP CALIBER. THE STOCK IS REALLY IN NICE SHAPE WITH SOME HANDLING DINGS AND DENTS. THE RIFLE HAS ABOUT 60%-70% ORIGINAL BLUING REMAINING. THE PHOTOS WILL HAVE MORE DETAILS ON THE MAKE AND ANY SUB CONTRACTORS.
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JAPANESE TYPE 38 RIFLE WITHOUT THE MUM
100.0233
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THIS IS A JAPANESE TYPE 38 LONG RIFLE. THE RIFLE IS MISMATCHED, AND DOES NOT HAVE THE MUM OR THE CLEANING ROD. THE BORE IS BRIGHT AND SHINY WITH LOTS OF RIFLING REMAINING. IT IS IN 6.5 JAP CALIBER. THE STOCK IS REALLY IN NICE SHAPE WITH SOME HANDLING DINGS AND DENTS. THE RIFLE HAS ABOUT 60%-70% ORIGINAL BLUING REMAINING. THE PHOTOS WILL HAVE MORE DETAILS ON THE MAKE AND ANY SUB CONTRACTORS.
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JAPANESE TYPE I CARCANO IN 6.5 JAP
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THIS IS AN ITALIAN MADE TYPE I CARCANO. THESE RIFLES WERE MADE FOR THE JAPANESE FOR ITALY. THE RIFLE IS IN 6.5 JAP CALIBER. THE RIFLE IS AN INTERESTING BLEND OF CARCANO AND JAPANESE RIFLE. THE WOOD IS EVEN THE TWO PIECE BUTTSTOCK. THE RIFLE IS IN NRA VERY GOOD CONDITION. THE RIFLE'S UPPER HANDGUARD HAS A CRACK IN IT THAT IS EASILY REPAIRABLE. IT IS NOT BROKEN. (PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHED PHOTOS). THE BORE IS IN GREAT SHAPE WITH LOTS OF RIFLING REMAINING. THE STOCK IS OTHERWISE IN REAL NICE SHAPE. THE METAL HAS RETAINED ABOUT 30% ORIGINAL BLUED FINISH. A NAME IS STAMPED IN VERY SMALL LETTERS ALONG THE SEPARATION IN THE TWO PIECE BUTTSTOCK "MULLIGAN T. A.". THE ITALIANS DID NOT NUMBER BOLTS OR STOCKS WITH THIS RIFLE SO MATCHING NUMBERS ARE NOT AN ISSUE WITH THIS ONE. THERE ARE NOT MANY OF THESE LEFT, SO IT IS ONE FOR THE COLLECTOR.
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JAPANESE TYPE 99 ARISAKA RIFLE
SERIES 33 TOYO KOGYO HIROSHIMA PREFECTURE MATCHING WITH NO MUM
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THIS IS A JAPANESE TYPE 99 ARISAKA TYPE 99 RIFLE. THE RIFLE IS A SERIES 33 AS DESCRIBED ABOVE. IT WAS IDENTIFIED FROM THE HONEYCUTT BOOK "MILITARY RIFLES OF JAPAN". THE RIFLE DOES NOT HAVE A MUM, BUT THE RECEIVER AND BOLT, INCLUDING THE PIN, COCKING PIECE, EXTRACTOR AND HANDLE, ALL MATCH. THE BAYONET LUG IS UN NUMBERED. THE REAR BAND DOES NOT HAVE A PROVISION FOR A BIPOD. THE REAR SIGHT DOES NOT HAVE PROVISIONS FOR THE AIRCRAFT SIGHTS. THE COCKING PIECE DOES NOT HAVE ANY PATTERN ON THE BACK OF IT, BUT IT IS STILL CONCAVE (NOT FLAT). THE FRONT SIGHT HAS THE EARS AND ALTHOUGH THERE IS A HOLE FOR A CLEANING ROD, THERE IS NO BUTTON TO RELEASE IT WHICH MEANS IT IS PROBABLY A SHORT ROD THAT SCREWS IN. THE STOCK IS IN NICE CONDITION WITH THE USUAL DINGS AND DENTS. THE BOLT HANDLE IS STILL PLUM SHAPED. THE METAL HAS A FINE LAYER OF PETINA (NOT RUST) AND THE FINISH ON THE RIFLE IS ABOUT 60%. THIS IS A NICE EXAMPLE OF A MID TO LATE WAR RIFLE THAT MATCHES.
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JAPANESE TYPE 99 ARISAKA RIFLE
100.03
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THIS IS A JAPANESE TYPE 99 ARISAKA LATE WAR RIFLE. THE RIFLE DOES NOT HAVE A MUM AND IT ALSO DOES NOT HAVE A HOLE FOR A CLEANING ROD. THE REAR SWIVEL IS THE 1 SCREW TYPE. IT HAS THE LATE ROUGH BOLT WITH THE ROUGH COCKING KNOB, THE FIXED REAR PEEP SIGHT, A WOOD BUTTPLATE AND THE LARGE CROSS BOLT. THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THE LAST DITCH EFFORT OF THE JAPANESE TO SURVIVE THE WAR.
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JAPANESE TYPE 99 ARISAKA RIFLE AND NO DUST COVER GROOVE
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100.0348
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THIS IS A JAPANESE TYPE 99 ARISAKA LATE WAR RIFLE. THE RIFLE DOES NOT HAVE THE GROOVE FOR THE DUST COVER, WHICH MAKES IT A LATE WAR RIFLE. IT ALSO DOES NOT HAVE A HOLE FOR A CLEANING ROD. IT HAS THE LATE ROUGH BOLT WITH THE ROUGH COCKING KNOB, THE FIXED REAR PEEP SIGHT, A WOOD BUTTPLATE AND THE LARGE CROSS BOLT. THIS RIFLE'S MUM IS PARTIALLY GROUND. IT IS A NAGOYA PREFECTURE RIFLE WITH A BEAUTIFUL BORE AND STOCK.
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PRICE: $235.00


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Old 03-19-2006, 21:37   #7
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My advice is to check auctions & pawn shops. Sometimes you can find a deal. Every time I find a Japanese rifle at a gun shop, it's usually about $300. Sometimes with a bayonet, sometimes not. A few years ago, I could get Type 38 & Type 99s all day for about $80. I guess those days are over.
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Old 03-20-2006, 08:08   #8
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Be carefull for the late model 99's..... they liked to blow up and fall a part on the soldiers. I'm not sure how thick they are in the civilian market today though.
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Old 04-02-2006, 11:05   #9
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Zen900, I was in the same boat you were, looking for an example but not wanting to spend fortune on one. After I thought I would never get one my brother and I went to a small gun show and found one.

The seller said a guy came in with bayos and five rifles he said his Dad came back from the war with. His Dad had died and he was selling the rifles. The guy that bought them had gotten a good price so he was passing it on. The bayos were already gone and there were only three rifles left, so I bought one.

It's a T99 for $125 the stock was in good shape. The usual nicks and scrapes but still a lot of finish. It also wasn't split at the dovetail. Blueing was about 80-85%. No Mum, dust shield, AA sights or mono pod. The butt plate was rusted but with some oil and a nickel it cleaned up all right. I could clean it with a wheel but it wouldn't look right. No Import markings.

So keep looking and see what pops up.
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you might check out Empire arms they usually have something for more around 300 to 400.....
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You can make 7.7 brass using .30-06 cases. I've also used other calibers that are based on the '06 too. (270, 25-06, 280, etc). You'll need a rotary case trimmer or something else to trim them back to 58MM before sizing them though. You can also use surplus 7.62 X 54 or .303 Brit bullets with good results. I just loaded-up 103 rounds tonight that i had made brass for a year ago and bought the bullets in bulk online when they still had them.

You can always use the commercial components too, but there's not much savings there. The type-99 and type-38 actions are some of the strongest ever made. Just don't mess withe the late-war versions (last-ditch) if you want to be safe.
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Old 02-24-2009, 20:21   #12
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Seems to me there were always a half-dozen Arisakas on the rack at a gun shop upstate (northwest CT). Course, this was some time back before things started going crazy. I doubt they were over $159, but that's probably history now.
Another shop has crates of 7.7 machine gun ammo, but this is semi-rimmed and not the standard 7.7x58 rifle fodder.

You mentioned Japanese mausers...this shop has a Tokyo Arsenal Siamese Mauser in 8x50Rmm, too. Hard to keep all this stuff in order!

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A relative had a pristine Arisaka Type 99 with "Mum" intact and a bayonet (but not with matching serial # to the rifle). A militaria buyer appraised it in the early 90's at, IIRC, around $100-150.

He did say that it was probably an excellent shooter, but that the scarcity and cost of ammo made it not very practical. Because there were so many around, he also said they just didn't have much monetary or collector value.

Those last-ditch versions are just plain dangerous. Keep in mind, they were made when the Empire was getting 100,000's of its subjects to scour the forests for pine cones in order to turn the seeds into fuel! (Not kidding).
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I've got 2 "mid-war" 99s my dad brought back. Finish is a bit rough but fit is fine. This model withstood overloads that blew up other Mauser actions. (excluding last-ditch 1945 versions). Bore diameter is the same as Russian 7.62 and brass can be formed from other calibers. Ugly, functional, a seldom-shot little gem.
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The Japanese had type 38, 44, in 6.5x50mm. Type 99 in 7.7x58mm.
The earlier 38,99 were well made and used thru out the war. There is
evidence that a type 38 was converted to a 30.06. One of the most popular
converision was .257 Roberts, and a few to 6.5x55mm. There are referance
sites for s/n #'s and arsenals. But off the top of my head I don't remember
where.
My Father brough back a Type 44 from Japan, still have it no entinshion(sp)
of selling so don't ask.

Do your own research online, check surplus arms magazines, from time to
time they have articles. Learn to hagle at gun shows, if they won't
meet you by about half walk away and come back at the end of the show.
If they don't sell their loss.
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A friend brought one of those Italian-made Carcano/Arisaka breeds to me this week to see if I could tell him anything about it. Darndest thing I've seen.

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I am a late bloomer but here goes.the japs and books have the mid series as
substitute standard.there was another late one but it was safe.cast receiver with bolt locking into barrel.I have had one.the only japs that blew up were not rifles to be fired.I have had those.cast receivers and bolts and cold rolled barrels drilled from both ends and dont meet to well in middle.they were 6.5. not 7.7.the &.& hotchkiss MG ammo was sold by turning rim off.it is probably duds now As I have 1000 rds on feed strips.it also has a heavy bullet.I pull the bullet and use the powder in formed 06,dropping the charge 5 gr.
our 1903A3 were substitute standard but much better made.
I use a cut off saw on 06 cases.much quicker and easier.
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Originally Posted by WILDCATT View Post
..........the only japs that blew up were not rifles to be fired.I have had those.cast receivers and bolts and cold rolled barrels drilled from both ends and dont meet to well in middle.they were 6.5. not 7.7.
I remember one of those that came into the gun shop where I worked. The guy wanted it re-blued, and when I disassembled it for cleaning, the barrel was so loose I just unscrewed it with my hand. When the blueing was finished, the cast metal receiver was a reddish color but the rest of the parts looked nice and deep blued...........soft steel to be sure. (The M1917 US Enfields we blued were also hard to get a good blue on the receivers, but it was due to their heavy heat treatment, not inferior metal).

I remember some old guy telling us that this type of rifle was meant to fire only practice ammo that used wood bullets with either light powder or no powder at all in the cases. I think the Nazis also used something like this setup for practice ammo as well.
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I don't know about any actual kabooms, but the last-ditch ones with the grinder finish and crude blade and notch sights are supposed to be left unfired. Dicey heat treatment.
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Found Cheap Japanese Rifles (and this Forum)

I was just conducting research online to figure out pricing on Japanese rifles, because there's a mostly-German auction that has some pretty nice Japanese stuff. Came upon this forum (bonus). Anyway, prices seem low, and it's either because the rifles are problematic, or because they are not listed in the right auction (no collectors of Japanese rifles in the audience). Thoughts:

Craig Gottlieb Militaria Auctions

Check out the firearms section. The auction is mostly Nazi stuff, but . . . ? Authentic? Prices? I've dealt with them before on German stuff and they are pretty reliable, but have never been into Japanese rifles until recently.
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Jeez! Way to resurrect an old thread!

Welcome to Perfect Union.

I own a few Type-99's but I'm no expert. Maybe one of the more knowlegeable people here will chime-in.
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