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Old 03-18-2012, 17:44   #1
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first bolt action centerfire, need the tricks of the trade

i bought my first high power rifle, a cz527 in 223. i always have been a big 22lr shooter. but i love this gun, but right now with 8 dollar a box ammo i am shooting 7 inches at 175 yard, and about 5 with my first reloads with no load development. i was wondering how good that is with a gun under 100 rounds threw it and what the gun is capable of. but i would like to know how much you guys clean the barrels, because i noticed the first of the day will be off a little, and that is with a fresh clean barrel, i do not know if center fires like fouled barrels like 22lr. i guess i am looking for tips to get me on my way. thanks in advance

ps i was shooting off a box on a picnic table
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Old 03-22-2012, 09:49   #2
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what are you using for handoads? my best is 25gr of varget under a 55grfmjbt hornady. i get sub moa out of my savage axis. varget burns clean so once i get cose to 100 rounds accuracy maybe a little off. i see some guys clean after every 5 shot group. that seems excessive to me unless you are going for optimal accuracy every shot all day or working up a load.
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CZs typically are pretty accurate rifles, certainly better than 3 MOA.
Generally speaking, the primary causes of inaccuracy are (mostly in order):
1. Poor shooter
2. Loose screws (action, scope, etc.)
3. Poor ammo
4. Other, minor things

A box on a picnic table is certainly not an ideal rest for accuracy testing, especially at 175 yd, so you're not really getting a true picture of what the rifle can do off the bench. Apart from that, and assuming you have the fundamentals of position, sight picture, breathing and trigger control well in hand, as well as good optics on the rifle, I would go over the rifle and scope rings carefully and ensure that all the screws are snug.
Then I would try a few different ammo brands and bullet weights. Stick with known good performers, whether in factory ammo or handloads. You can't expect 1 MOA out of surplus ammo (2-4 MOA is more the rule), nor will you get top accuracy out of surplus bullets.
Only then would I worry about cleaning regimen.
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Get you some sand bage for your rest. You can get them from Mid way USA or any good gun supply Co.
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well, i took the whole rifle apart, bolt, dismounted the scope, everything. i adjusted the trigger and polished the sear then put everything back together. i wiped up some 50 reloads, it was the first time with this combination but it was 24 grains of ar-comp with 50 grain vmax boattail, i have no idea how fast they were going because i cant find my crony but seemed 80% to 90% load. then i headed to my grandpas 17 acres of heaven on the river. i moved to a concrete picnic table and set up. i still only had a toolbox for a rest. and i am a good shot, i shot every weekend and can shoot better than anyone i personally know, my buddies always bring gun to me for sighting in and have me shoot their guns if they are having problems. but anyways, i set up at 50 to reset the scope,(with pmc 55 fmj) and only had to move 2 clicks, but i noticed the gun was more consistent i was shooting 3/8 groups. then i moved to 175 with pmc and was getting 4 inches again, so i switched to reloads and my first group was 1 inch high and measured 1.25 inches. so i was extreamly happy. i shot about 100 rounds with no noticeable change in poi or groups without cleaning. so taking the gun apart soved the fliers and the rest was the ammo. at the end of the day my brother took a 20 oz pop bottle full of water, to the other end property. it is about 325 yards and i pulled the first shot, and got it on the second. i love this gun it is pretty and lives up to all the hype. this gun is a keeper and will never sell it. and i bought this gun to go coyote huntin this summer, i know if i am able to see them they are dead
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hey ed what part of oh you in? im just north of cincy and im heading to springvalley after i take mrs scuba out for breakfast. if you are not to far we can get together and you can shoot my ruger gunsite 308. after a few rounds of that my mini 14 or savage 223's feel like a bb gun. i have been eyeing the cz rifles lately. my brother has one in 22lr and it is a great shooter.
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