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Old 03-07-2011, 15:31   #101
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Ruger GSR Flash Hider Pics: YHM, Armlite A2, Ruger FH

Posted this on ScoutRifle.org - The Scout Rifle Community - Index hought yo guys might like to see it here.

So I bought the YHM Phantom and was really excited because I wanted a compensator that wouldn't kick up dust while firing prone. When it arrived I thought it had everything I wanted except the thing was a BEAST. Heavy and big. I ordered the Armalite A2 with the intention of sending the YHM back. Well I decided to take some some pics so you guys can be the judge. I like the A2 it is very clean and the smallest of the three and has all the features I'm looking for.

Armalite A2, Ruger FH, YHM Phantom



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Like I said, I think the Armalite has the cleanest appearance and will lighten the overall weight; while hiding the flash a little and keeping dust down to minimum. The YHM will probably be the better performer; but I just don't like the size. The Ruger I hear is a decent flash hider, but will really kick up the dust in prone; while the other two will not.
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Originally Posted by Tokarev View Post
I haven't removed either from their respective receivers but, in comparing my Scout rear and Mini-30 rear, they appear identical.
Ok, but does it mount in the rear scope mount or behind it? From the pic it looks like it mounts in the rear mount. The Tech sights I see mount behind the scope mount in the mini not in it.
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Looks like you might be right:
http://www.ramanon.com/forum/attachm...1&d=1294148629

That looks to me like it is the same aperature, but a totally different mount than the mini. Tok, can you remove the rear sight assembely like you would a scope, or is it one little hex screw in the middle?
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Both sights are held in place by a hex head screw down through the top of the base.

The Scout sight actually sits on top of the receiver's rear scope base. It needs to be removed to install the scope ring but it doesn't attach to the base itself.

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Originally Posted by Tokarev View Post
Both sights are held in place by a hex head screw down through the top of the base.

The Scout sight actually sits on top of the receiver's rear scope base. It needs to be removed to install the scope ring but it doesn't attach to the base itself.

Should totally work with the tech-sites product then. The install is literally just that one screw (there are two support screws as well like with the 10/22 tech sights, but that goes into the sight assembely without touching the reciever).

I really hate the ruger integral mounts... They need to do away with that mess and just have two short weaver mounts, and move the rear sight off of it. Then someone could have quick-detach rings to mount a scout scope, rear scope, or go to iron sights without breaking out the toolbox.

It seems like ruger always goes 95% of the way with making a great product... I'll never understand that 5% that seems so simple to meet.

(I'm a ruger fan still, just a sometimes annoyed one.)
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I was thinking the .30 cal Smith brake would be slick on this rifle.

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I'm now begining to wonder if I shouldn't wait to pick up the Scout from Ruger...since Ruger has a curious habit of introducing new models in steel and then making them in stainless. Given the choice I would prefer one in stainless.

I have talked to the folks at the local gunshop (largest in the northwest) about getting one and they said they were taking back orders and it would be at least a couple of months before they were available from the distributor. So it looks like I really don't have a choice but to wait.

Ruger shot themselves in the foot with their marketing stratagy on the LCP, lots of hoopla and poor response to demand...I wonder if introduction of the gunsite scout rifle isn't going to be a repeat performance. The Savage is looking pretty good right now....
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I sent them an email on monday saying I wanted to see a more affordable version of the GSR in 7.62x39, a long with a few reasons on why I think it would be a really marketable gun. I got the expected autoreponse at first, then today a "we forwarded that idea to marketing."

If any members here think that would be cool... Then send them an email. If they get enough, who knows.
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I just bought a GSR today on GB = $775 shipped. What the heck. I would like to see if they make them in milder 7mm08 but .308 is a great round so its hard to complain. My Frontier was .308 and I missed it ... the GSR is like the Frontier done right!
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Congrats 5L! I bet you will enjoy it.
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I am not sure you could build one for the same price as a Ruger or Savage, when you include the cost of the gun, gunsmith fees, and parts. I would be cheaper to just get the Savage or Ruger. The Savage scout in my case was cheaper (about 100 less) than the Ruger. And Savage makes excellent rifles.

Before the Savage came out I was going to use an old M77 to build a scout. After pricing out parts and labor from a gunsmith. I kinda gave up, then the Savage came out (reintroduced) and right after that the Ruger came out. I had to have the both, looking back now I could have built a custom for what these two cost me.

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I emailed Sharp shooter supply asking some questions about that extended magazine for the Savage, and depending on their response, (been waiting 4 days for a reply already) I may order one to try out in my model 10FCM. If I get one, then I will post a review.
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Has anyone tried the new Weaver scout scope? It's a fixed 4x power, which works pretty good for GP with my ACOG.
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Originally Posted by GJW1911 View Post
I am not sure you could build one for the same price as a Ruger or Savage, when you include the cost of the gun, gunsmith fees, and parts. I would be cheaper to just get the Savage or Ruger. The Savage scout in my case was cheaper (about 100 less) than the Ruger. And Savage makes excellent rifles.
I did all the math for this once starting with a Howa barreled action... It ended up being like $1200 with the iron sights possibly not working out.

That being said, a CZ 527 (only in 7.62x39 or .223) is a pretty solid stand in for a bolt action with iron sights and a quick handling barrel. Only a standard scope mount though, plus you would only be saving a whole lot buying it used.

If only Mosin Nagant M44's could have a forward scope mount that would not ruin the historical value rifle or impede use of the iron sights... Then you could have a great alternative with only a few disadvantages-- and a few advantages (stripper clips, single shot loading, etc.)-- for less than $150.
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Originally Posted by GDKPIKPWG View Post

That being said, a CZ 527 (only in 7.62x39 or .223) is a pretty solid stand in for a bolt action with iron sights and a quick handling barrel. Only a standard scope mount though, plus you would only be saving a whole lot buying it used.
I think Ruger already makes a nifty little "scout lite" rifle in the Mini-30. Add an Ultimak mount and an LER scope or red dot and voila!
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Originally Posted by Tokarev View Post
I think Ruger already makes a nifty little "scout lite" rifle in the Mini-30. Add an Ultimak mount and an LER scope or red dot and voila!

MSRP on the mini-30 is only about $40 cheaper than the GSR. By the time you pay for the ultimak rail, you're losing money. Then the ammo being picky... No beuno. The "good" 7.62x39 that the mini needs is more expensive than a lot of the cheaper .308 that the GSR would probably eat right up.

The only real benefit to 7.62x39 is that there is cheap imported ammo available... The mini-30's firing pin doesn't like that cheap ammo, and even if you get an aftermarket pin, the barrel is sized for "American" 7.62x39 so it performs horribly. Like I said earlier, I am a Ruger fan, but often a frustrated one. Why make a rifle in a caliber that is only sought after by penny pinchers, then make it sized wrong and with a wussy firing pin to negate that benefit, then give it a top shelf MSRP? The reason they made it was supposedly to fill in the market niche that SKS's held for a while, but in reality they ended up with nothing but a deer sized mini-14 (which is cool and all, but totally missed the point of an affordable "everyman's" rifle).

So, no mini-30 for me. Probably just going to hold out for the GSR... If I stay poor long enough, maybe I'll eventually find a used one... Or just start slowly building a custom gun, ordering a part every other month or so so it doesnt break my bank all at once. That or throw it on a credit card lol..
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Originally Posted by GDKPIKPWG View Post
MSRP on the mini-30 is only about $40 cheaper than the GSR. By the time you pay for the ultimak rail, you're losing money. Then the ammo being picky... No beuno. The "good" 7.62x39 that the mini needs is more expensive than a lot of the cheaper .308 that the GSR would probably eat right up.

The only real benefit to 7.62x39 is that there is cheap imported ammo available... The mini-30's firing pin doesn't like that cheap ammo, and even if you get an aftermarket pin, the barrel is sized for "American" 7.62x39 so it performs horribly. Like I said earlier, I am a Ruger fan, but often a frustrated one. Why make a rifle in a caliber that is only sought after by penny pinchers, then make it sized wrong and with a wussy firing pin to negate that benefit, then give it a top shelf MSRP? The reason they made it was supposedly to fill in the market niche that SKS's held for a while, but in reality they ended up with nothing but a deer sized mini-14 (which is cool and all, but totally missed the point of an affordable "everyman's" rifle).

So, no mini-30 for me. Probably just going to hold out for the GSR... If I stay poor long enough, maybe I'll eventually find a used one... Or just start slowly building a custom gun, ordering a part every other month or so so it doesnt break my bank all at once. That or throw it on a credit card lol..
I'll bet if you did some shopping you could find a Mini-30 Tactical for under $700.

I've not had any problems with Yugo 7.62x39 in my Mini-30 and the small quantity of WOLF I've used in it has been fine.

Sorry to drift the thread. Let's get this sucker back on track!
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Yea we did get off topic...

But I'm willing to bet I can find the GSR for under ~$750 out the door if I shop around for long enough. Since the GSR is what I want, and I have an SKS for 7.62, I'll just hold out for it. I think by summertime I should be able to afford one without too much trouble. I could afford one earlier, but I have a shopping list of parts for my other guns that I kind of want to get done first.
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Originally Posted by 5legion View Post
Has anyone tried the new Weaver scout scope? It's a fixed 4x power, which works pretty good for GP with my ACOG.
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Are you talking about the Classic K? The eye relief specs look good but at a listed 14oz it seems rather heavy. The Hi-Lux 2-7 variable is about two ounces lighter. Two ounces ain't much but it all adds up.
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Tok - Yes the classic K scout. I'll let you know - just ordered one from Midway. I am counting on Weaver's rep as a decent scope as little review on the net. I did see the wt issue, but 2 oz not going to kill me. It would be really easy to put too much scope on this rifle I think but a fixed 4x is a KISS sweet spot I think for 300m and less. Also ordered some nice 1" Tally QD rings and a 5 round AI mag. So I'm quickly over the $1k mark on this project! I also plan to get a 3rd sling swivel installed and use a Wilderness Tac Ching sling.
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Ching Sling

Andy over at ScoutRifle.org - The Scout Rifle Community - Index is a good source for the Ching Sling. Good quality at a decent price.
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Originally Posted by 5legion View Post
Tok - Yes the classic K scout. I'll let you know - just ordered one from Midway. I am counting on Weaver's rep as a decent scope as little review on the net. I did see the wt issue, but 2 oz not going to kill me. It would be really easy to put too much scope on this rifle I think but a fixed 4x is a KISS sweet spot I think for 300m and less. Also ordered some nice 1" Tally QD rings and a 5 round AI mag. So I'm quickly over the $1k mark on this project! I also plan to get a 3rd sling swivel installed and use a Wilderness Tac Ching sling.
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I agree with the KISS idea. That's why I won't put a bipod or a 24x scope on my Scout.

Let us know how you like the scope!
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Well, I finally got to take my Ruger scout out for a shoot and overall it seems OK at this point, it is not giving the same groups as my Savage Scout has with my hand-loads or factory ammo. It however did very well with factory winchester 180gn PowerPoint, the Savage did not like that stuff.
Overall after shooting I am pretty happy with the size and handling characteristics of this rifle. I do not have near the trigger time with this gun as the other scout, and it will probably get better the more rounds I send downrange.

I am blaming the problems right now on the weaver scope rings, they will not stay tight. The whole range session went like this; shoot 4 rounds tighten rings and repeat.

The difference in triggers is amazing, the Rugers more than adequate trigger pull feels like a double action revolver when compared side by side to the Accutrigger.

I will order some new rings the weavers just will not say tight on the rail, also will have to locktight the rail on the barrel, after about 50 rounds the rail came loose.

The possibilities with this rifle abound, I am going to order more mags and a different brake/flash-hider.
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Here are four new videos about the GSR on Ruger's website. I enjoyed watching these:

RugerŪ Gunsite Scout Rifle Extras
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In my never ending quest to find the most versatile optic, I have mounted a Swarovski Z6i EE scope. This is a very nice piece of glass and has a great amout of versatility with magnification from 1x to 6x. It does have an illuminated reticle that's visible in all but the brightest sunlight. The image is crisp and clear and color rendition is about perfect.

On the down side, the scope is a dangerous game scope with extended eye relief and not a scout scope with long eye relief. It's designed to keep you from getting whacked by the scope when mounted on something like a .375 Ouch and Ouch. The position pictured is as far forward as I can mount the scope and still get proper eye relief off the bench. For standing offhand, it wouldn't hurt to move the scope back about 1/2" but it's already back as far as it'll go with the factory rail. I might have to re-mount the XS scope rail to give me a little more room.

As you can see, the scope covers the ejection port and I had to remove the rear sight to mount it. But it still allows the bolt handle to clear and be worked quickly and freely.


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Unboxed my GSR today!

My initial impression: nice little rifle with excellent fit/finish. Shoulders and points very well, much like Mini-14 (sights BTW are great and an old fav for me at this point after owning several Minis). I like the laminated stock. The 10 rnd mag is a bit much for GP use and there is some play with it when inserted. Nothing crazy, sort of AK like wobble but not so much. 5 rnd AI mag (bought from Midway) is nice and tight and handier. Prob will get another even though pricey ($65?). Disappointed in the plastic trigger guard. Trigger is crisp, just right in my view. Not too light but crisp. Overall a neat little rifle. If it's accurate it will def be a keeper. I can't help but wish it was an 18" barrel but we'll she how she does. I plan to shoot irons in coming weeks and then mount my new Weaver scout scope.
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