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Old 02-23-2011, 21:27   #51
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Is that the new scout version?
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Old 02-23-2011, 23:37   #52
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Originally Posted by 5legion View Post
That's either a compact new Ruger rifle or a HUGE rabbit.

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its a jack rabbit they can get big we some around here pushing 15 lbs easy
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Originally Posted by ECVMatt View Post
Is that the new scout version?
This is the variable scout scope. It is available as a custom order. I ordered mine with a German #4 reticle.

The scope is rather long and you can see that it extends back over the ejection port a couple of inches. I mounted it as far forward as possible and, if I move it any farther, I can't see through the scope when it's on 4x.

The scope is fairly bright and clear and should be a nice conventional scope for this rifle. From what I've seen, there really isn't anything available in a scout scope that wasn't available twenty or twenty-five years ago. I'd like to see somebody come out with a 30mm tube and an illuminated reticle.


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On my Savage scout and marlin 45-70 guide gun, I use Nikon encore handgun scopes, and have another one to use when I get my Ruger scout. One is an older monarch with target turrets and the other two are newer encore versions with BDC reticles.

They are 2.5-8x28, and the eye relief is just right for a scout rifle and for me not enough eye relief for a handgun. On my marlin 44mag lever-action, I use a cheap NCstar 2-8power illuminated reticle EER scope. I works good on the 44mag, I just don't know if I would trust it on any of my more heavy recoiling guns. Is feels and looks a little lacking in the quality department.
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I've heard of a lot of guys using pistol scopes as rifle scout scopes. When you think about it, the felt shock from a .44 magnum revolver is probably a lot more than a .308 rifle. I wouldn't try it with an NCStar either, but there are some decent BSA and Simmons scopes that I've read are pretty popular with old surplus bolt action scout setups.
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I was always under the impression--quite possibly the mistaken impression--that most pistol scopes had parallax set at 50 yards and wouldn't work well on a rifle at longer range.
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I don't know abot the parallax setting. I normally shoot mine at 100 and 200 yards and have had no issues with them on my 44mag, 45-70 or with the 308.
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I talked to Chris at Alpha Industries Mfg about the AI compatible mags he sells. He said his mags needed a slight modification along the rear spine to work in the Ruger and he's getting the mags modified. The modified mags will be shipping next week.

More magazine sizes/prices/options is a good thing and I look forward to getting a couple of these to try in my gun.
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Also, I talked to Josh at Burris and he told me that the parralax in thier pistol scopes is set at 100 yards. The only exception to this is the 3x-12x-32mm which is parallax adjustable.

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Parallax will/should not be an issue with scout configured rifles using pistol scopes. Remember, these same scopes are used on Remington XP and Encore handguns chambered in rifle cartridges. Both of these guns operate in similar envelopes so the needs of a "Scout Rifle" shooter can be easily met with a pistol scope.

FWIW Parallax issues are more commonly found with lesser quality scopes. Buy better glass and you won't have to worry about it.
I have been using a 2x Burris pistol scope for better than 10 years on my swedish pscout; it has always put the 6.5 right where I want it!
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Originally Posted by 83Enforcer View Post
Parallax will/should not be an issue with scout configured rifles using pistol scopes. Remember, these same scopes are used on Remington XP and Encore handguns chambered in rifle cartridges. Both of these guns operate in similar envelopes so the needs of a "Scout Rifle" shooter can be easily met with a pistol scope.

FWIW Parallax issues are more commonly found with lesser quality scopes. Buy better glass and you won't have to worry about it.
I have been using a 2x Burris pistol scope for better than 10 years on my swedish pscout; it has always put the 6.5 right where I want it!
Good points.

In talking with folks at both Burris and Leupold, it sounds like most extended eye relief scopes are designed for rifles with a tremendous amount of recoil. The idea is to put the scope a couple additional inches away from the shooter's eye/face to avoid the extremely humorous "crescent" cut above the shooting eye. I had an old boss who had a custom .340 Weatherby built on a Sako action. Beautiful rifle but ungodly recoil! It could have benefitted from an LER scope. But I digress...

Anyway, Iím learning that the issue with some pistol scopes is that the eye relief might be extended too much for some rifles. These pistol scopes can require 12" or more of distance from the eye for proper use. That shouldn't be a problem with the forward rail on the Ruger.
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IMO the maximum minimum eye relief for a pistol scope on a scout rifle should be 10 inches. Most mfg's will either publish the eye relief range, (ie 10-24"); or they will simply post the minimum, (ie 20").

example

you are looking at 4 pistol scopes and the published eye relief are as follows:

1. 10-24"
2. 12-20"
3. 9.5-28"
4. 20"

1 & 3 should work, but 2 & 4 will not. YMMV
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Here's the gun without the XS Sight extended mounting rail. I've also reinstalled the factory Ruger rear.

Note how far the Leupold variable scout extends back over the receiver. I moved the scope back slightly from where I had it on the XS rail so it's more forgiving when cranked up to 4x.
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What was your assessment of the XS vs the factory rail set-up?
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The sights and muzzle-break look real original

I have to admit this rifle is kind of cool. They definitely got the mag and bottom metal right. I'll start taking the M77 seriously as tactical rifle when they remove the integral scope bases.

I cringe at the thought of putting a Mark4 or Nightforce in Ruger rings.
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Originally Posted by SevenMM View Post
I'll start taking the M77 seriously as tactical rifle when they remove the integral scope bases.
I think the integral rings and bases were a nice feature but they're kind of dated now especially for the tactical crowd. Ruger uses the same bases on the Mini-14/30 and I'd like to see something like built-in Picatinny bases rather than the propriety rings.
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Originally Posted by 5legion View Post
What was your assessment of the XS vs the factory rail set-up?
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The XS rail is going to be THE option if you plan on mounting a conventional scope on the Ruger. It gives the gun a level of versatility and options not available with the factory rings or the factory scout rail alone. The backup rear sight is a nice feature but probably not really of interest to those who'll be running the Ruger as a short and lightweight counter sniper. The rail over the top of the receiver does add a little height but proper rings should make that a moot point.

With that said, I'm going to play with the rifle as more of a true scout for awhile and see how I like it.
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Has anyone been shooting one of these past 200m? How did it hold up out to 300m? 5L
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Originally Posted by 5legion View Post
Has anyone been shooting one of these past 200m? How did it hold up out to 300m? 5L
Mark Gurney of Ruger tells me he was getting regular hits on an 18" steel target at 1000m with his Scout. I don't know what optics and ammo he was using.
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I got to shoot at some distant targets in the desert with mine. No paper, just rocks and some steel targets. I was only using the irons and all targets were 12" or bigger, but once I figured out the dope they were all easy to hit. The max I was shooting was about 400 yards. Yes I missed quite a bit, but when everything was right I hit almost every time.

The gentleman from Ruger was using the extended XS rail and a traditionally mounted scope.
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Just a side note I thought of but dont think I ever posted, tech-sight's new mini-14 rear sight should fit the scout. I'm going to be ordering one with the adjustable aperatures when I finally get one of these, I love that rear sight on my mini.

So anyway...
The jury seems to be leaning towards this being a very practical (almost always better than tactical) little rifle that is much more capable of "real world" long range accuracy than Ruger haters would care to admitt.
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Originally Posted by GDKPIKPWG View Post
Just a side note I thought of but dont think I ever posted, tech-sight's new mini-14 rear sight should fit the scout. I'm going to be ordering one with the adjustable aperatures when I finally get one of these, I love that rear sight on my mini.

So anyway...
The jury seems to be leaning towards this being a very practical (almost always better than tactical) little rifle that is much more capable of "real world" long range accuracy than Ruger haters would care to admitt.
Can you post a pic and/or link for the sight?

Ruger has been making hammer forged barrels-darned good ones-since 2005 or so. The complaints about accuracy are no longer warranted.
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Tokarev,

I am very interested in the Adj Scout scope. Where did you pick it up? Once you have used it a while, a review would be nice. How are you liking it so far? Does this have to be mounted further back to allow for the extra magnification?

I believe that this is the scope that one of the Gunsite instructors was using on his rifle.

I would like to get one of those for my rifle. I have a fixed power right now that is at Leupold right now for repair. I am interested in up grading sometime in the future when funds allow.

Thanks for any information you can give.
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The scout scope is available through Leupold's custom shop. I ordered mine with the German #4 reticle but they have many others avaiable.

I can move the scope out so that the ocular end is beyond the ejection port but then I cannot get proper eye relief for anything above the lowest setting. The scope is longer than I had been expecting but I don't think the additional length is going to be a problem in any significant manner.

I like the scope so far but have yet to take it to the range. The wind's been howling here for the last few days. If we ever get a brake, I'll get the gun on paper.
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Tech-SIGHTS Precision Shooting Accessories

The mini-200 that fits the new production mini-14's should (in theory) fit the scout rifle. It is much easier to adjust, and allows the use of tech-sights adjustable aperature system. Adjustable aperature is sold seperately, but altogether I think both products were well worth it on my mini.
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