Yoopers unite!

[trforester]

Any yoopers manage to figure out this computer thing yet? I know V-Max is down in the banana belt, I'm up in the Copper Country. Anyone else chompin' pasties out there?

[Tailgunner]

Not me, I'm a troll from the Sunrise Side (and to make things worse, I work in "Detroit")

[Butie]

Let's just say that Toni's pasties are pretty good.

[trforester]

Ever try Krupp's, in Twin Lakes? Potatoes not sliced, but cubed and don't turn to mush, and the meat isn't greasy. A little more like a half-cannonball, but not so much you can't fit it in your mouth!

[Butie]

More like mother used to make them, I never had a food processor pasty in my childhood. Next time I am up I will make it a point to stop there.

[trforester]

Everyone get their deer (or two) this year? Saw 10 does, 5 birds and a butt load of squirrels opening day, had to work night of the 16th. Woke up around noon on the 17th, Lagasco finally came and filled my leaky propane tank around 2:30, and out in the back 40 by 3:15.

Took a post against a 5 ft scotch pine near the old apple orchard, and heard a coupla snorts. Around 3:50, a doe comes trottin' through, and I got the old, venerable Savage turty-turty bolt with '60's vintage Weaver KV ready.

Around 4, in comes a nice 6-pointer cruising after the doe. Easy 80-90 yard shot, so I took it. Bucky circles 15 yards towards me, trying to figure out what hit 'em, and stood there staring towards me. After a few minutes, looking through the scope, I see him dripping blood off his tongue. Lung shot!

He goes 20 yards away from me, drops, and I walked the half mile back, changed into grubbies, grabbed the 4-wheeler, gutted him, loaded all 140 lbs on the rack, and hung him in the pole barn. MMM-MMM yummy!

:)

[Tailgunner]

Nothing special here, Doe @ 400yd on the 2nd day, Doe @ 100yd on the 4th day (and partnered up with another shooter on a 2nd at the same range) and finished up with a walking spike @ 200yd on the 6th day

[trforester]

How's everyone enjoying the global warming?:lol:

[Butie]

How's everyone enjoying the global warming?:lol:

My brother says Houghton cty. already got ~50" and it's colder than a mother in laws heart. I don't know if I could deal with that anymore.

[trforester]

Yeah, it's slicker than snail snot on the roads, there's banks here, and the morning temps have averaged about 5 degrees for the last week or so. At least it's been getting up to 20 in the afternoon. Global warming my rosy-red cheeks! :ph34r:

[Butie]

Yeah, it's slicker than snail snot on the roads, there's banks here, and the morning temps have averaged about 5 degrees for the last week or so. At least it's been getting up to 20 in the afternoon. Global warming my rosy-red cheeks! :ph34r:

I don't think the Global Warming theory has alot of teeth these days.

[trforester]

That wind does, though!:o

[Butie]

There is no wind in Trap Rock Valley.

[trforester]

Tell that to the 25+ that was blowing the couple-inch-an-hour snow while trying to repair the roof on my place! Can't wait to build, and get out of this 35-yr old trailer with scabbed-on additions!

[Butie]

Tell that to the 25+ that was blowing the couple-inch-an-hour snow while trying to repair the roof on my place! Can't wait to build, and get out of this 35-yr old trailer with scabbed-on additions!

That would blow (no pun) for sure. Any snowmobiles running around yet?

This never happens here, I have been in CO for almost 19 years...it is literally -18 outside right now.

[trforester]

Yeah, the snowmobiles are out and about, even in the blizzard weather yesterday. Took 4 hours to snow-blow, nice balmy 10 degrees. Only broke one shear pin. On the propane line. Good thing I've got the pipe-cutter and flaring tool in a handy spot, or the wife would have been ****ed.

Oh, yeah, only 4 below here.

[Butie]

I just read the Gazette, looks like you had some wicked weather for sure. I would like to go up there this winter and do some snowmobiling and visiting.

[XLT]

I live on the east end, north of the bridge. The only good pasties around here are from the churches when they have a pastie sale.

[trforester]

Yeah, anything by the bridge tastes like a cross between a hockey-puck and a brick, but they'll give you heartburn just the same. Go west, young man, and find a REAL pasty!

[trforester]

Everyone must be snowmobilin'.....

[trforester]

Anybody else runnin' low on wood?

[Excelagator]

Hey guys! I'm not a yooper, but on the same latitude 60 miles on the Wisconsin side. I visit access "roads" north of Champion, Mi. when I can.

Dan

[trforester]

Hey guys! I'm not a yooper, but on the same latitude 60 miles on the Wisconsin side. I visit access "roads" north of Champion, Mi. when I can.

Dan

Hurons or the Yellowdog?

[Excelagator]

Hurons or the Yellowdog?

Triple A Road, Yellow Dog Plains, Peshekee Grade Paved and Dirt (dirt is smoother!), Northwestern Trail, Silver Lake Basin. Silver Lake Basin. The access road was closed off last time we were there.

I would like to get on Huron Mountain Club Property, but I know that is not possible! :( Well possible but not legally!!!:huh:

http://inlinethumb27.webshots.com/40410/2995346370050322362S425x425Q85.jpg (http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2995346370050322362ZsJdou)

Dan

[trforester]

I would like to get on Huron Mountain Club Property, but I know that is not possible! :( Well possible but not legally!!!:huh:

http://inlinethumb27.webshots.com/40410/2995346370050322362S425x425Q85.jpg (http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2995346370050322362ZsJdou)

Dan

That's what happens when you have so much money, you can block a state highway (M-35) from going through private property. Guess that whole "eminent domain" concept only applies to those that don't own Senators.

What do you think of the Eagle Project?

[Excelagator]

That's what happens when you have so much money, you can block a state highway (M-35) from going through private property. Guess that whole "eminent domain" concept only applies to those that don't own Senators.

What do you think of the Eagle Project?

Yup, alot of history, and money surrounds the HMC. Henry Ford, Aldo Leopold Planning trips there I know a bit about the area. I have probably logged hundreds of miles wheeling through there on an extended weekend in the past 4 years. When we go we navigate with GPS/laptop set-ups, you can get lost quick there

I'm against the Eagle project on the fact I don't think they control the run-off. They tried it in Wisconsin and failed. There is too much rock, sand, water and the changing terrain. I think there are too many variables to go wrong. I heard just the mine and being clean Triple A road, Yellow Dog Plains will not be the same.

Dan

[trforester]

If the mine goes through, there is a possibility of damage. There's a possibility of ill consequences for anything you do. With Cliffs iron mine laying off 3/4 of the workers, this would give a little wiggle room for the (ha ha) U.P. economy, though. Timber prices are not in the toilet, they're already down the drain, so there goes 1/2 to 3/4 of those jobs. Not many have the resources to vacation up here, so there went 1/3 to 1/2 of those jobs as well.

We're hurting bad up here, with mining, logging and tourism down the tubes. About the only thing keeping the raft afloat are the colleges, and Granholm sounds like she's gonna cut that to the bone as well.

[Tailgunner]

We're hurting bad up here, with mining, logging and tourism down the tubes. About the only thing keeping the raft afloat are the colleges, and Granholm sounds like she's gonna cut that to the bone as well.

TR, you could always try what I'm doing for work, and that is locate employment further away from home.
I worked at one of the Gypsum quarries near home, but after that job died (they went from 90+ employies to less than 20), I started working some 3 hours away (my search circle was a "8 hour drive", one way). I simply rent a room for work and only get home to the wife/kids on alternating weekends

[trforester]

TR, you could always try what I'm doing for work, and that is locate employment further away from home.
I worked at one of the Gypsum quarries near home, but after that job died (they went from 90+ employies to less than 20), I started working some 3 hours away (my search circle was a "8 hour drive", one way). I simply rent a room for work and only get home to the wife/kids on alternating weekends

I'm one of the lucky ones here, work at a hospital. People will still get older, sicker, and hurt, so my job probably won't dry up. That being said, my forestry consulting firm (been out a year after tearing up my ankle) is only existing on USFS and BIA contracts, and they can be fickle. I can exist on half of what I used to make, so I really don't have to make the drastic changes, yet. Just have to prepare for the worst, 'cuz it's coming...

[V-Max]

Wow, just found this thread. I'm from the Menominee area and a bunch of factories are getting rid of entire shifts. Ansul shuts down on weekends. I have a pretty secure job, doing pretty much all the sales and marketing at my company, but the housing crisis has hit me hard already(I'm a Culligan man that does a lot of residential) and record unemployment is really going to hurt.
Anyways, it's really cool to find this. We're going to need to have a Yooper grill out and shoot this summer!

[IRONSIDES68]

Wow, just found this thread. I'm from the Menominee area and a bunch of factories are getting rid of entire shifts. Ansul shuts down on weekends. I have a pretty secure job, doing pretty much all the sales and marketing at my company, but the housing crisis has hit me hard already(I'm a Culligan man that does a lot of residential) and record unemployment is really going to hurt.
Anyways, it's really cool to find this. We're going to need to have a Yooper grill out and shoot this summer!

I've been lurking for a while I'm a yooper transplant, I lived in Chassell until I was 15, still have relatives there. Now I live outside of West Branch, ex 202 on I-75.
if you have a yooper cookout give a holler. I drive truck and I'm always in and out of the U.P. I drive for John Veriha, I know V-Max has seen those trucks, lol

[V-Max]

Yes! We're right down the road from you. Small world.

[bouhunter]

To the top:)

I lived in the UP for 10 years - Ironwood and Escanaba area's.

Below the bridge now but I have great memories of those years in da' UP!

[XLT]

Just got done grilling burgers on the grill, 48 degs, at least it wasn't snowing. Snow was in the air last saturday thou, didn't stick. I know I live in the banana belt by the bridge, but geez, will it ever warm up???

[trforester]

I recently (May 12th) sent Congressman Bart Stupak an e-mail from his website asking why he isn't a co-sponsor of H.R. 1207, Ron Paul's bill to audit the Federal Reserve System, like 179 other congressmen. Here's his response:


May 22, 2009




Dear Mr Abramson:



Thank you for contacting me regarding the housing market. I appreciated hearing from you.



I agree with you that we should not be encouraging homeowners to go into foreclosure, and I voted against legislation that I believe would have encouraged this practice. The majority of homeowners in the United States have borrowed responsibly, and it is unfair to Americans who have lived within their means to bailout those borrowed recklessly. My staff collected foreclosure information for counties in the First Congressional District for which data was available. While foreclosures were slightly higher in 2008 than 2007, the problem was not nearly as dire as has been portrayed by some interest groups.



However, the problems in the housing market that led to the current economic crisis are very real and must be addressed. Congress and the Obama Administration must focus on restoring consumer confidence and freeing up credit for qualified individuals to buy homes. However, I am concerned that the home mortgage proposal announced by the Administration and considered in Congress further encourage irresponsible borrowing and do not adequately target relief to those families facing foreclosure as a result of losing a job or skyrocketing health care costs.



In July 2008, Congress passed and President Bush signed H.R. 3221, the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008. This legislation created the HOPE for Homeowners (H4H) program to help individuals at risk of default and foreclosure refinance their mortgages into more affordable, sustainable loans. The program took effect in October 2008 with a goal of helping 400,000 homeowners by 2011. However, only 25 loans have been renegotiated nationwide so far under that program. We must fix this program before we create a new bureaucracy and additional government programs.



I support efforts to loosen restrictive requirements for the H4H program and fix problems that exist with other federal housing assistance programs to help families struggling to meet their mortgage payments. Instead of focusing on these efforts, a number of new programs have been created and proposed.



On February 18, 2009, President Obama announced the creation of a new Homeowner Affordability and Stability Plan. This plan is aimed at bringing homeowners and banks together to reduce monthly payments to keep families in their homes. This proposal would also allow more homeowners to be eligible to refinance adjustable-rate mortgages into more stable 30-year fixed rate loans. Additionally, the President's plan also would provide guidelines for loan modifications and allow judicial modifications of home mortgages during bankruptcy. I do not support the creation of new government programs until we fix the initial failures of the H4H program.



Separate from the plan announced by the President, the U.S. House of Representatives considered H.R. 1106, the Helping Families Save Their Homes Act of 2009, on March 9, 2009. The legislation would allow judges to adjust the terms of a mortgage for borrowers only during bankruptcy proceedings. I voted against legislation because I was concerned it would encourage more Americans to file for bankruptcy as a way to lower their mortgage payments.



The mortgage cramdown provisions in H.R. 1106 are overly broad and do not effectively target those Americans who need help the most. I advocated for tighter restrictions on judicial authority to renegotiate the terms of a mortgage because I am concerned that credit unions, community banks and their customers across Northern Michigan - which were not engaged in risky subprime lending - would be hurt by the legislation.



I have heard from our community banks and credit unions across Northern Michigan. I have also heard from individuals who are struggling to pay their mortgages because they lost their job or face unimaginable medical expenses. Rather than targeting these individuals and helping them stay in their homes, H.R. 1106 rescues those who knowingly entered into risky mortgages.



Despite my opposition, H.R. 1106 passed the U.S. House of Representatives by a vote of 234-191. The legislation awaits consideration in the U.S. Senate, where I hope changes will be made to strengthen it. I hope the Senate is successful in limiting the scope of this legislation, and in establishing conditions that will target relief to those families who are facing foreclosure because they are out of work or facing high health costs, not simply anyone willing to file for bankruptcy.



We are facing tough times in Michigan and all across the country. But even during these tough times, Northern Michigan residents are playing by the rules and doing everything they can to meet their financial obligations. I support policies that will provide these individuals a helping hand when they need it; not legislation that encourages irresponsible borrowing.



Again, thank you for contacting me. Please feel free to contact me again in the future with issues that concern you.






Sincerely,

BART STUPAK
Member of Congress


Not only is it automated, it isn't even near the topic to which I inquired. Anyone else try contacting him since the election? This is the third e-reply I've received, and the longest....