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TacticalGenius
09-13-2008, 20:09
I got into a "debate" a few days ago with my buddy who thinks Obama is the greatest thing since sliced bread. He thinks Obama can do no wrong and McCain can do no right and fails to listen to reason that Obama is human and as a result, imperfect, just like McCain. He continuously berates McCain and Palin while preaching nothing but recycled "Propaganda", for lack of a better term, about how awesome and "qualified" BHO is. ( a 1st term senator against a senator who has been in the Beltway for 20+ years, has a son who enlisted in the Marines and been to Iraq, and has served in the Navy himself. As well as his running mate having a son in the N.G. and on his way to Iraq. What has the Obama/Biden families contributed thus far in regards to military service to our country?)
Anyway, my buddy and I were "debating" and he said that Palin is not qualified to be the VP. My answer was that she has done the job that most parallels the presidency (being Gov.) and done it very well and with a very high approval rate to boot. She is responsible for everything within her states borders, economy, agriculture, roads, wildlife etc., and has sent her National Guard (and her son) to Iraq, She also visited her National Guard while they were in Kuwait a couple years ago. (Has Obama done that for the soldiers from his state? Nope, he only went to Iraq as a dog and pony show so that he could have a "clear idea of what was going on" so that he could continue to berate how the war is being run and claim he can do a "better" job even though he has yet to even touch a real uniform.) Palin doesn't take any B.S., is a straight shooter, as is McCain and she has an immense amount of integrity when compared to most other politicians *cough* Obama *cough*.
I posed the question back to my friend regarding what makes Obama qualified to be the president. His answer was this, "Obama has run one of the best, articulate and well-managed campaigns ever." I cut him off there and ended the "debate" and told him to come back with something better than that.
Please tell me that Obamas qualifications are beyond being a puppet for his staff and feeding the masses what they want to hear so that they vote him into office, so that when he gets to office he can enact his own agenda. He is doing what my job in the military is, PSYOP. He is PSYOPing in a way that we aren't even allowed to do in Iraq! He is creating a false reality around himself that is lulling people into believing what he says. He is exploiting Maslows Hierarchy Of Needs (politically) in an effort to hypnotize America. And he is creating needs out of the wants and desires of Americans to make it seem like he is the answer for it all. This can't be his qualifications, can it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations
I am under no illusions here either. I know that NO politician is squeaky clean or perfect. I do not agree with some of the ads McCain has run, it is nothing but childish tit-for-tat politics that he and Obama need to get away from and prove that they are mature adults. I also know that McCain is not without fault in his career, but know that he is able and willing to learn from his errors. And because of that, among other reasons, he will do a great job as president. I also know that Obama has done decent things during his career as well, getting rid of Hillary for one, but do not have the faith in him to learn from his mistakes. I feel he will continue to be arrogant and ignorant and fail to acknowledge or listen to other opinions that don't coincide with his or his parties. And for that reason, among others, I feel he will be a poor president.
TG
AR15_Fanatic
09-13-2008, 20:47
I going to say this because it applies to all of the political candidates out there. While it may be great that some of the candidates out there are experienced in leadership roles in the federal / state governments, there is absolutely no requirement for experience listed in the US constitution aside from that a candidate for president must be a natural born US citizen and over the age of 35. No more, no less. There have been good presidents who were former military and/or held leadership roles in the armed services (Eisenhower, JFK, Truman, etc.) but there have been other former military presidents who really sucked! (Carter, GWB, etc.) And some people with very low political experience worked out to be tremendous presidents (Reagan comes to mind quickly).
The point is that over the past two decades both parties have sought out candidates from the wealthy ruling families who were perfectly groomed with ivy league education, perfectly connected with the power brokers, perfectly aware of how state and federal governments work from over a decade of experience in them. And they turned out to be perfectly terrible presidents for the country, accomplishing nothing except burying the country in nearly 9 trillon ($9,000,000,000,000.00) in debt and allowing the country to continue to slide into malaise and mediocrity. It truly is time for a change and think this may be a plausible explanation for Sarah Palin's popularity, because she is so much more relatable to by the average American than these blue blooded beltway types like McCain.
No I don't think the fact that Obama is a relative newcomer to American politics is a good litmus test of potential as president. In fact it may be a good indicator that he would be a tremendous president!
It's Obama's platform and plans for the country that I'm not too fond of.
COBRADOC
09-14-2008, 23:03
I going to say this because it applies to all of the political candidates out there. While it may be great that some of the candidates out there are experienced in leadership roles in the federal / state governments, there is absolutely no requirement for experience listed in the US constitution aside from that a candidate for president must be a natural born US citizen and over the age of 35. No more, no less. There have been good presidents who were former military and/or held leadership roles in the armed services (Eisenhower, JFK, Truman, etc.) but there have been other former military presidents who really sucked! (Carter, GWB, etc.) And some people with very low political experience worked out to be tremendous presidents (Reagan comes to mind quickly).
The point is that over the past two decades both parties have sought out candidates from the wealthy ruling families who were perfectly groomed with ivy league education, perfectly connected with the power brokers, perfectly aware of how state and federal governments work from over a decade of experience in them. And they turned out to be perfectly terrible presidents for the country, accomplishing nothing except burying the country in nearly 9 trillon ($9,000,000,000,000.00) in debt and allowing the country to continue to slide into malaise and mediocrity. It truly is time for a change and think this may be a plausible explanation for Sarah Palin's popularity, because she is so much more relatable to by the average American than these blue blooded beltway types like McCain.
No I don't think the fact that Obama is a relative newcomer to American politics is a good litmus test of potential as president. In fact it may be a good indicator that he would be a tremendous president!
It's Obama's platform and plans for the country that I'm not too fond of.
You know, the water boy for an NFL football team sees the same game that the coach seees, but if the coach's contract suddenly expired, the team owner would be stupid to suddenly make the water boy the new coach. How much more importaint is the office of the President of the United States than the position of coach of a football team?
e80hydro
09-16-2008, 03:36
:lol:
steve4102
09-16-2008, 06:18
Your friend isn't freesw by chance is he?
As everyone that can think past the MSM's BS knows, Obama has very little if any experience on anything. He has spent most of his career as a US Senator on the campaign trail and not doing his job. Check out his voting record as a Senator, pretty pathetic. Also check out what one of his own followers has to say about his record as a US Senator.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o
He is an empty suit. If Obama had an R after his name instead of a D, he would be reduced to a pile of rubble by the MSM and I would agree with them. He is a pile of rubble and has no business in congress let along the Oval Office.
His answer was this, "Obama has run one of the best, articulate and well-managed campaigns ever."
Your friend didn't come up with this on his own. This comment and others like it are straight from the Obama campaign and the MSM. When put on the hot seat and asked these types of questions , this is all they have to offer.
mnottfam
09-16-2008, 08:11
...B, etc.) And some people with very low political experience worked out to be tremendous presidents (Reagan comes to mind quickly).
You're right. Mr. Reagan had very little political experience. He was only governor of California, thus, just like being governor of Alaska, makes him poorly experienced for the job he did.:lol:
BigOleSwingin`
09-16-2008, 08:55
I going to say this because it applies to all of the political candidates out there. While it may be great that some of the candidates out there are experienced in leadership roles in the federal / state governments, there is absolutely no requirement for experience listed in the US constitution aside from that a candidate for president must be a natural born US citizen and over the age of 35. No more, no less. There have been good presidents who were former military and/or held leadership roles in the armed services (Eisenhower, JFK, Truman, etc.) but there have been other former military presidents who really sucked! (Carter, GWB, etc.) And some people with very low political experience worked out to be tremendous presidents (Reagan comes to mind quickly).
The point is that over the past two decades both parties have sought out candidates from the wealthy ruling families who were perfectly groomed with ivy league education, perfectly connected with the power brokers, perfectly aware of how state and federal governments work from over a decade of experience in them. And they turned out to be perfectly terrible presidents for the country, accomplishing nothing except burying the country in nearly 9 trillon ($9,000,000,000,000.00) in debt and allowing the country to continue to slide into malaise and mediocrity. It truly is time for a change and think this may be a plausible explanation for Sarah Palin's popularity, because she is so much more relatable to by the average American than these blue blooded beltway types like McCain.
No I don't think the fact that Obama is a relative newcomer to American politics is a good litmus test of potential as president. In fact it may be a good indicator that he would be a tremendous president!
It's Obama's platform and plans for the country that I'm not too fond of.
Excellent post Sir if I might say so, but unfortunately it`s the proverbial pearls before the swine.
The only part I disagree with is that Obama has the potential to be a great prez. A great showmaster he is, for sure. He`s still the lesser evil because he might end the reign of warmongers and profiteers.
Obama is qualified to run for POTUS under the constitution. However, despite how much or little experience he or others claims he has, it is the wrong kind of experience from my personal perspective.
As a gun owner who understands the importance of an armed citizenry, I do not want to elect a president or VP that is dedicated to taking away that right. That kind of experience is not what I'm looking for. Obama's assertions to the contrary on this issue on the campaign trail are BS. Look at his voting record.
One comparison in experience that I haven't seen is in comparing Hillary Clinton's experience with Sarah Palin's.
The reason we haven't seen this comparison from the McCain campaign is because they're trying to lure former Hillary supporters.
ice-nine
09-16-2008, 09:40
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy ... I mean, that's a storybook, man." - Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del. 2007
BigOleSwingin`
09-16-2008, 09:49
One comparison in experience that I haven't seen is in comparing Hillary Clinton's experience with Sarah Palin's.
The reason we haven't seen this comparison from the McCain campaign is because they're trying to lure former Hillary supporters.
LOL Sarah Palin is the nightmare of every Hillary Clinton supporter, and pretty much on every issue.
LOL Sarah Palin is the nightmare of every Hillary Clinton supporter, and pretty much on every issue. True, but notice how I specifically referred to a comparison in experience and not where they stand on the issues.
COBRADOC
09-16-2008, 19:07
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy ... I mean, that's a storybook, man." - Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del. 2007
First off, let me state right up front that I don't like hyphonating America.
But the term "African-American" is supposet to refer to Americans who are decended from Africans who brought to this country agaisnt their will and made slaves. Mr. Obama's mother was a white American and his father was an African Arab. His ancestors not only were never slaves in America, there is some evicence to indicate that they may have been slave owners and slave traders.
So in my book, Mr. Obama not only is not an African-American in the truest sense, but for him to call himself such is an insult the the fine Americans who can rightfully call themselves African-Americans.
However, there is some speculation that Mr. Obama may have in fact been born in Kenya but was quickly taken by his mother to Hawaii to register his birth so he would have an American birth certificate. If that is the case, then Mr. Obama would actually be an African and not an American at all. But that's another story.
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