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[Ruger22C]

If Obama is elected...

How long will it take for "pre-ban" magazines to go up in price, for "assault rifles" to go up in price, and..
How long will it take until the Assault Weapon Ban is reinstated?

[COBRADOC]

If Obama is elected...

How long will it take for "pre-ban" magazines to go up in price, for "assault rifles" to go up in price, and..
How long will it take until the Assault Weapon Ban is reinstated?

If Osama Obama is elected, you can expect all of the following to happen before the 4th of July '09.

[gossman]

Doubtful that soon. If you haven't bought them already what are you waiting for?

[Ruger22C]

Lack of funds, Goss. Saving up ...

[BlenderWizard]

If Osama Obama is elected, you can expect all of the following to happen before the 4th of July '09.

All of the following, what? You didn't type anything else. All of the preceding?
:D:D:D:D

[gossman]

Lack of funds, Goss. Saving up ...

Don't fret, you will have at least 18 months if Obama is elected, the problem isn't with getting the mags, the problem is getting the ammo. HiCap mags are over rated, read Col. Cooper and see what he thinks about suppressive fire which is all hicap's are intended for. A true rifleman is far move dangerous than one with an auto loader and hicaps doing a "spray and pray".

[Ruger22C]

Why will it be a problem to get ammunition?

As long as the magazine size does not affect reliablity (spring tension), or the ability to shoot effectively (too heavy, or perhaps gets in the way) then I believe more rounds = more likely to live. You can fight longer before you "have" to reload, or switch to your handgun.

But I definately agree, skill over equipment. I would rather have a trained combat shooter on my side, with a bolt-action, vs. an untrained shooter with a full-auto (in most cases).

[billdeserthills]

If Obama is elected...

How long will it take for "pre-ban" magazines to go up in price, for "assault rifles" to go up in price, and..
How long will it take until the Assault Weapon Ban is reinstated?

I remember reading that Prez Bush offered to sign any gun ban legislation that crossed his desk- Result is that apparently none has

[markw76]

Obama could sign legislation limiting purchases of ammo, say to a box a month, as soon as he has a pen in his hand and the bill is in front of him. Then watch the price spike.

A wise man once said if you haven't stacked it deep by then it's too late.

edit: if they did ban hi-cap mags again, what would they mark them with to avoid confusion with the previous ban? New AWB? I'd guess before 2009 is concluded.



There isn't a smiley for my sentiments on such a possibility.

[Ruger22C]

"Obama could sign legislation limiting purchases of ammo, say to a box a month, as soon as he has a pen in his hand and the bill is in front of him. Then watch the price spike."

Is this likely?

[markw76]

I wouldn't put it past Pelosi and Reid to engineer something procedurally to get something in front of Obama along those lines, yes. Especially if the lefties pick up a few seats in November. My advice: Buy accordingly, on plastic if you have to. Nobody ever regretted having too much ammo, too much gas, or too much money.

[Ruger22C]

Congress has to vote on such a thing, right? We'd see it coming?

[markw76]

Wasn't long ago I heard about Reid calling a vote in the middle of the night so the opposition couldn't mount sufficient voting opposition. I can't remember what is was about. But such trickery and deceit has been used in DC for hundreds of years. It is possible we wouldn't hear about an actual vote until it was all over. But we'd know it was close.

[Ruger22C]

The bills pass in a single day? Lovely.

[Ruger22C]

The conversation has turned to politics. I am moving the thread now.

[markw76]

First the house, then the senate. I don't know about a single day, but I've read how sometimes they wait until after the evening news is committed to what they have, then the members sneak back for some voting known to be unpopular or politically risky. Maybe a day and a half, depending on how long it takes to recall members to vote.

[Ruger22C]

And then what, do we sit back and let BHO attack our 2A for the next 4 years until there's nothing left, or do we do something about it?

Remember, the 2A was meant primarily to protect us from government. We lose all hope of fighting for our freedom if we they disarm us.

I wonder what will happen. I have seen MANY people say that they will die fighting if gov't comes to take their guns.. I don't think this will ever work. Gov't doesn't want to lose lives? Don't attack us. Wait until we're out of supply, since we can't get any more. Owners die due to age, many will eventually give them up becuase they don't want to go to prison. Many will be found and confiscated as time goes by. Rust and debris eventually destroys most firearms (owners don't care for them properly), and so on.

What do you guys think will happen?

I think they'll "slowly" attack our freedom, and we'll slowly give it to them with little resistance. I.E. limiting ammo purchases, or semi-auto weapons. People aren't willing to go "out" and fight in the case of a martial law, they'll stay in their homes and hope no one ever comes for them. How much less so are they willing to fight over the types of firearms they can have?

I also don't believe it will be like alcohol prohibition. Once it happens, you fight to get it back or kiss it good bye for eternity.

[markw76]

Problem is, in the condition the country is in now, it would take something really, really bad "threat to liberty" wise, in order for there to be any popular backing for anything overt. Usually that means the populace is not allowed to vote. You are at extreme risk any time you decide things are bad enough to take action yourself. Best to wait until there is a nationwide call to do something. Like, from every other city and town, not just some groups in each state. Go too soon over that line and you're a nut.

[Ruger22C]

Exactly, Mark.

They will attack us slowly enough, that there will be no popular backing that "this is worth dying over."
We've given them fully-automatic weapons, we've given our right to carry in certain states, and so on. BHO will just push harder.

[markw76]

Exactly, Mark.

They will attack us slowly enough, that there will be no popular backing that "this is worth dying over."
We've given them fully-automatic weapons, we've given our right to carry in certain states, and so on. BHO will just push harder.

As long as we can vote and have a say in Congress, or the courts, that is how it should be handled, IMO. If that is all taken away from us, Katie bar the door!

[Ruger22C]

What if they pull a "fast one" like you just said ? ;)
Some things aren't worth dying over.. but we as a nation need to draw a line some where. Not that it will ever happen.

[markw76]

I think the actions that need to be taken will become apparent to everyone if that happens. Like I said, Congress and the Courts.

[Ruger22C]

Guess we just have to sit and wait to see what happens. I hope it all goes well.

[ncroamer65]

"Can't never do anything" "Crazy like a fox" "Method to maddness"
You can do nothing but sit at the PC and belly ache, buy a million
rounds of ammo and 1001 guns but standing alone only gets you dead.
Start with small groups in each state so there is something to build on.
Now is the time to start moving.

[markw76]

There already are, in every state. Your local version of state rifle and pistol association. Most are already affiliated with the NRA and thus informed of the latest shenanigans in DC. They may not be survival oriented, but they're organized.

[Ruger22C]

But how many of those people are willing to die?

[markw76]

Dying isn't the goal, is it?

First you have to network. You might be surprised who you meet in a gun related association. I doubt they have a committee set up for what you're talking about, but it's local and it's a start. You could start by getting together with, or starting a preparedness group. There is more to the game than guns.

There are survivalist boards, the problem being the armchair commandos you'll have to identify and ignore. Gobs of raw information though on a wide range of topics. Or so I hear.

[Ruger22C]

The objective isn't to die.
But if you're not "willing" to die, you won't fight.

[Ruger22C]

We should fight in the court rooms first, of course.
But we all know Obama has extermist views. Can he pass those laws? Probably not. Is it possible? Yes.

If he does, we must be willing to die to protect our basic freedoms.

[mnottfam]

Going back to OP, the prices HAVE already started to rise in anticipation...

[markw76]

It is less than 2 months now.


Tick Tick Tick

[billdeserthills]

I can't wait for the election "freak out" to start so I can begin selling bunches of military style weapons!

[markw76]

I'd sell a few mags for ammo money, but I never seem to buy them cheap with that in mind. I think most outfits would grouse if you cleaned them out of 1000 units of something. 10 or so at a time is my limit.