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evlblkwpnz

08-28-2008, 18:15

I have never owned a FN-FAL. Never shot one either. I've been an
AR AK guy for all of my adult life. I would like to have a 308. Would the FN-FAL types be a good decision (I have heard mixed reviews on the subject of dependability), or just get something else. I'm leaning toward a Saiga in 308, a Vector, or an HK. I have always been curious about the FN-FALs, however. What is your opinion?

mouthpiece

11-29-2008, 18:50

evlblkwpnz

11-29-2008, 20:49

I'm sure the saigas are probably the pinnacle of reliability. I would like to have one with the relocated trigger. I wonder how hard they are to get now. I'm sure the HKs have gotten scarce as well. BTW thanks for the reply. I had forgotten all about this post. So FN FALs aren't the kings of accuracy and they are the Minis of 308. I'll take that as my cue to not waste my time or money on one.

mouthpiece

11-30-2008, 03:34

Well I don't know about that. I love my FALs and they are Minute of man all day long just like my mini14s. And unlike my ARs, they go bang everytime.
The Siagas have got more scarce and the price has almost doubled in the last few months from what I understand. good luck. mp

TPW

11-30-2008, 18:17

Do some research. Start here.

http://www.snipercentral.com/rifles.htm

wonderdog451

12-05-2008, 17:44

I've never heard of anyone questioning reliability of an FAL. That being said they are 3 or 4 MOA guns. They are basically the Mini of .308/7.62 nato caliber rifles. Extremely reliable but not extremely accurate.
I've HEARD the Siagas are reliable. I know nothing of Vector or HK rifles.
Iethink the title of the""mini14 of the .308 world" is wrong. true, the rifle is not a 1.5moa rifle ,but very few autoloaders are.unless you spend the money for them to be.fn-fal rifles included, that list includes the m1a supermatch,the sr-25 and the DPMS and some of the other ar-10 type weapons..the real point is :"how well can you shoot? and "how reliable is your weapon?" up to about 300 yards, your average marksman is just not accurate enough to make full use of a $3000 rifle . my fn-fal rifles are reliable,parts are readily available and they are combat accurate. thats why I own 3 of them

A square 10

12-21-2008, 18:51

i have two and am getting another , ill not say im a shooter - im not , im a plinker , but i can ht what im shooting at with all of my 308s - im sure the new one will live up to expectations ,

all three are semis -

the M1A is a good platform and performs to 1" at 100 and 1.5" at 200 for me if i do my part ,
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/Asquare10/mikesrifles2041.jpg

the FAL is my 'new' one its not been tried as ive not been able to shoot it in final form , but it was a 3" at 100 with the leupold , didnt hold zero when cleaned ,
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/Asquare10/mikesrifles2040.jpg
so im onto an aimpoint
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/Asquare10/FN-FAL003-1.jpg

but the new one will be a test of all ive been told , moving the leupold to the AR platform in a DPMS LR308 , 24" bull bbl , we shall see ,
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/Asquare10/mikesrifles2043.jpg
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/Asquare10/mikesrifles2044.jpg

still building the lower - as in buying parts and such , ill get it done this winter and try it in the spring

Billy Dixon

01-08-2009, 12:58

I think the FAL is a great rifle to own.

I would sure pick them over a Saiga, a HK or any sort of AK. They are reliable, and while maybe not as accurate as an AR-10, they will shoot with your run-of-the-mill M-14s. Their shootability and ergonomics are far better than any AK.

I've shot them at 600, and they will normally hold the black even with surplus ammo. The same can't be said of your average untweeked Garand.

They are generally very reliable too, the only issue I've ever had that was a show-stopper was the bolt hold open slipping under the magazine follower. OMG! That is a royal bitch to clear! <_<

My only other criticism is the sights. Light years better than any AK, but the adjustments aren't as good as those of an M-14 or AR-15 and they will bite your glasses if you climb the stock a little.

It is one of the best service rifles ever made.

H2O MAN

01-08-2009, 13:06

I've been an AR AK guy for all of my adult life. I would like to have a 308.

The obvious choice would be a .308 AR-10 or .308 Sagia , both would
retain the muscle memory you have developed with your ARs & AKs.

Then again... I own an AR and an AKM, but all of my .308 rifles are M14s :)

Nobody

01-19-2009, 13:34

As with ARs, FAL come in all different configurations. Contrary to what has been written above, you can get a sub 1" MOA FAL. I know because I have one. It is a DS Arms SA58 with a 24" heavy match, free-floated barrel, a Magpul PRS stock, and a 4 3/4 lb., single-stage trigger. I also put match sights on it, as well. I recommend that you phone DS Arms and tell them what you want in a rifle.

EvilFreeman

01-26-2009, 13:35

BobSlaughter

02-06-2009, 11:19

Pardon my ignorance but could someone explain to me the difference/history between an FAL and the PTR-91? I'm a little cornfused. Thanks.

*PTR-91 is a G-3 clone, got it. So what's the primary difference between the FAL and the G-3 is my new question? :)

Good question. Both are 7.62NATO battle rifles.

The FN FAL was the primary NATO (France, Great Britain, etc., except for USA and Germany) battle rifle until reasonably recently. It is a gas-operated (some of the barrel gases are diverted to cycle the action) gun, full-auto capable in military versions, semi-auto only in generally available civilian versions. More at the Wikipedia artcile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_FAL).

The H-K G3 is the German battle rifle contemporary with the FAL. It is a roller-delayed blowback (i.e., mostly recoil operated, not gas) gun. Variant include the Spanish CETME and PTR-91 domestically produced gun. More can be found at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%26K_G3).

Both are good battle rifles, both cost less that the US M1A/M14 Garand-action gun.

xring1

02-24-2009, 22:48

I have a few battle rifles. My two favorites are my SVT-40 and my L1A1.
My L1A1 was built from Israeli parts on a very early fully machined Enterprise receiver about 20 years ago.. As far as accuracy mine must be a freak because I can hold a 1.5" to 2" group with the stock sights at 100 yds on a rest. I know I could do better with a scope.
I would recommend a "good" L1A1 as an affordable 308 choice anytime. There is a lot of junk out there so it pays to research.

CWizard

03-03-2009, 10:30

FAL mags are getting scarce and/or expensive. I got all mine from DSA, but they are out. They were $7 now I see them for $20. My FAL will shoot 2 inch groups at 50 yards but I'm still trying different kinds of ammo to see what it likes. If you want accuracy try a M-14 clone, but those mags are very expensive.