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The news this morning is that Senator Joe Biden will be Obama's VP choice. So much for wanting change.
The news this morning is that Senator Joe Biden will be Obama's VP choice. So much for wanting change.
He good a plagiarizing speeches though. :lol:
magnomark
08-23-2008, 10:53
:lol:Just another radical mudslinger.......:lol:
magnomark
08-23-2008, 11:06
:huh:Oh Great.............Now we have a pair of future world leaders with absolutely no ties to any military experience that could be in charge of the most powerful military on earth?:o<_<
COBRADOC
08-23-2008, 11:12
:huh:Oh Great.............Now we have a pair of future world leaders with absolutely no ties to any military experience that could be in charge of the most powerful military on earth?:o<_<
Have no fear - if they get elected we won't have to worry about being the most powerful anything in the world.
collegeb
08-23-2008, 14:14
Biden was the one during the Dem debates said the person who personified his guns to some extent had a mental disorder.
http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Joe_Biden_Gun_Control.htm
I like Joe Biden, and think Obama made a good choice, but would have much preferred Bill Richardson:
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Bill_Richardson_Gun_Control.htm
"Endorsed by NRA"
Rugermann
08-23-2008, 14:58
Joe Biden is probably THE MOST ANTI-GUN Congressman. He seems to truly hate firearms.
He is a loser in many, many ways------just like Ole'Barack. Both are very, very much for BIGGGGGGGGGGGGG GGGGGovernment!!
If McCain is thinking----he will pick Mitt Romney-----FOR THE WIN!!!!
Jeff
Rugermann
08-23-2008, 15:00
Hey freesw------didn't see your post til after posting mine.
Did you actually say you liked Joe Biden!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My God man, do you own any firearms?????????
Jeff
Hey freesw------didn't see your post til after posting mine.
Did you actually say you liked Joe Biden!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My God man, do you own any firearms?????????
Jeff
I did, and yes.
Haven't you ever known someone that was right about most things but flat-out wrong about one (or maybe even two or three) important issues? All I know of Biden is what I've read and seen on TV. Obviously we're now going to hear a lot more about his record, so I may have to amend my opinion, but to the best of my knowledge, he's been right about most issues over the years. He's Catholic, which doesn't prove anything but is a good sign as far as I'm concerned. He's been right about the nature of the Bush/Cheney administration. Really, a big part of the job of the next president and his administration is going to be fixing and cleaning up the mess this administration is leaving behind, specifically, what they've done to the entirety of the executive branch. Bush and his cronies filled the federal government with incompetent party hacks, and they and their policies need to be rooted out as much as possible. And congress needs to also be involved in undoing the most egregious civil liberties abuses that the Bush administration has attempted to institutionalize. These matters get to the heart of the bill of rights more than any realistically conceivable gun control measures do, because the Bush administration has fundamentally changed the way government relates to its citizens: If they don't like a law they just ignore it.
What many people don't know, and would find hard to believe if they did, is that there is an element within the GOP that decided, over two decades ago, that running massive deficits accomplished three goals: it allowed them to keep taxes on the wealthy low, since they don't have to be fiscally responsible; then the deficit gives them an excuse to cut entitlement spending, which doesn't affect their constituency; and allows them to funnel huge amounts of federal largess to favored business interests for little or no real return. Why the last one? Because part of their agenda is also to discredit the federal government generally, to convince Americans that the federal government is incompetent. The aftermath of Katrina is a perfect example of this. So why not fill the ranks of the federal bureaucracy with incompetent party hacks like Brownie? It's just another opportunity to reward loyal college Republicans. See:
http://us.macmillan.com/thewreckingcrew
I've already conceded that, if you're a single issue voter, and your issue is the 2nd amendment, your choice is already made. Obama's choice of Biden can only solidify such a position. I understand that, and am not about to try to convince you otherwise. Why would I? The evidence is clear. I've also posted that I do not believe an Obama administration nor even a significant Democratic majority congress will do any more than nibble around the edges of gun control. They know it's a new "third rail" of politics (like Social Security, touching it is a career ender), and there are too many important things that need to be done to risk mid-term congressional defeats as occurred in 1994. What they'd "like" to do, and what they "will" do, are two different things.
Hey freesw! Google the names Joe Biden and Neil Kinnock and tell us what you think.
Hey freesw! Google the names Joe Biden and Neil Kinnock and tell us what you think.
LOL, don't need to.
Like I said, I'd have preferred Bill Richardson, but Biden's "plagerism" problem of two decades ago isn't very high on the list among my concerns.
I can already see or hear the reporters asking senator Biden, "In your own words, why did you agree to become Obama's running mate when you said flat out that you would not accept the VP nomination? ".
I can already see or hear the reporters asking senator Biden, "In your own words ...
LOL
"...you said flat out that you would not accept the VP nomination? "
"I am not running for vice president," he said in a Fox interview. "I would not accept it if anyone offered it to me. The fact of the matter is I'd rather stay as chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee than be vice president."
I know what he'll say: That duty trumps what he'd prefer to do. If Obama told him that he believed Biden would be of most assistance to him, in winning and in governing, then Biden would be selfish to say no.
I'm sure Biden will be criticized for this, but it's a zero. Potential VP candidates are put in a weird position by the process and by the press. If they say they're willing to be VP, they get unwanted attention.
It remains to be seen whether Biden can limit himself to "no comment" more often, as he should have in that instance.
It's too bad senator Biden's sphincter doesn't understand what no comment means.
One news report (I missed which network) made a point of noting Biden's previous statement that he felt Obama was not experienced enough. I wonder how they resolved that between each other...
I also see many Clinton supporters are saying they'll refuse to give Obama their vote now that he's officially "dissed" their champion. Who the heck will they vote for then that won't result in nightmares?
Marlin 45 carbine
08-24-2008, 08:17
my take is that Biden will be Obama's 'hatchet man' to go after McCain while Obama 'stays clear of the fray' so to speak and espouses his glorious vison.
centurion
08-24-2008, 10:36
Yea now we have two of the most ANTI-GUN senators there are running . (The NightMare) team.
centurion
08-24-2008, 10:49
Marlin 45 carbine , you got that right , thats exactly what Obama had planed to help defeat McCain , the McCain camp got there work cut out for them now. BUT on the negative side I heard that Michell Obama did not what her husband to pick Biden , In her own words ( he's A lose cannon ) she's worried about his loud mouth statements may offend some voters.
One news report (I missed which network) made a point of noting Biden's previous statement that he felt Obama was not experienced enough. I wonder how they resolved that between each other...
Oh, just like R. Reagan and Bush Sr. resolved that little "voodoo economics" flap. :lol:
I also see many Clinton supporters are saying they'll refuse to give Obama their vote now that he's officially "dissed" their champion. Who the heck will they vote for then that won't result in nightmares?
The petulant PUMAs will just write in "Hillary Clinton," probably.
my take is that Biden will be Obama's 'hatchet man' to go after McCain while Obama 'stays clear of the fray' so to speak and espouses his glorious vison.
I agree. Biden never promised to run a "new, cleaner" kind of campaign, and McCain sure hasn't.
McCain says Obama's selection of Biden won't have any impact on his VP selection (of course he's got to say that). That said, I wonder how Obama's pick of Biden will affect McCain's decision.
I'm glad that Obama didn't choose a pro-gun running mate from a battle-ground state or Hillary Clinton. Joe Biden is a proven loser that adds nothing to the Obama campaign. What good is it to have a VP running mate with foreign policy experience if his point of view is different than yours?
Marlin 45 carbine
08-25-2008, 19:10
Biden has 'blue collar roots' but let's bet he will be 'PC' from now on buddy.
Unfortunately, "blue collar" just means you work for a living, not that you have any sense.
mnottfam
08-26-2008, 08:02
So true, Mark. Sadly, working-class usually in this country means socialist-liberal-public-education-indoctrinated. I look back at all the social-engineering they tried to pull on us kids in the '70's, and am glad I was able to start thinking for myself and see firsthand how much of it was total BS. The shame of it is, though, that the majority of the sheeple in this country AREN'T smart enough to put 2 and 2 together to be able to think of the answer themselves. They need the MSM and the DNC to tell them it equals 5, but only on every day of the week it's convenient to them, otherwise it's anything opposite the conservatives say it is. We can't have "black and white" issues here, only gray. There is no right and wrong anymore (witness "gay" marriage in Kalipornia) so you can do whatever you want, as long as it feels good. Why? Because the liberal-dominated public education system says so. Can't afford it? Just tell your local Democrat congressman to sponsor a hate-crime bill to protect it, and you'll get all the government funding you want for it, at the expense of those who are still productively contributing to society.
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