Heres The Saiga Family

[TallyMini14Guy2007]

Sorry guys, i was wrong regarding 922r

[Blenderwizard_NOT_Boogyman]

You should get to work converting those. You realize that by putting those hicaps in those without proper US parts count that all three are in violation of 922(r), right?

I hate to be "that guy," but just CYA, man

[TallyMini14Guy2007]

I'm not entirely sure about that boogyman. The local gunshop owner whos was the first EAA arms distributor here in florida sells 30 rounders for both the 223 and 7.62x39 rifles, also sells 20 rounders for the 308. All prefectly legal im told. Thats why he sells them.

[TallyMini14Guy2007]

Sorry..forgot to tmention...all of the rifles above in the pic are unmolested and came from the factory just like u see them. I thought that the U.S. parts needs only had to do with rifles being converted to Ak style. Heres a post from the saiga forum explaining it:

The 922r applies to both converting a rifle or building from a kit. The BATFE has a list of parts of which you can't have more than ten parts to build an evil 'assault rifle' . If you have eleven parts you risk being thrown into a federal prison and sodomized by the bottom feeding, knuckle dragging vermin housed there. Keep it legal to comply with the law and frustrate any federal agents who you may unknowingly run into.

The usual US compliance kits contain a trigger, hammer, disconnector, gas piston and pistol grip. If you use a flash suppressor (another evil feature) then make sure it's US made as well.

When you convert your Saiga then you'll need a US made buttstock which is easier to replace than the gas piston which is pinned in. Falcon Arms has magazine floor plates and steel followers and Tapco has plastic magazine followers. Magazines count as three parts body, follower and floor plate.

[Blenderwizard_NOT_Boogyman]

922r applies to ALL imported firearms, not just "assault rifle" types. The SKS can hardly be considered an "assault rifle," but ask any SKS owner who decided to mod theirs, and, if they did it legally, they had to jump through 922r hoops.

I can't really tell what's in the .223 in the pic, but the x39 has a standard ak47 mag in it, and the .308 has a FBMG mag in it. I will guarantee you two things: the x39 either has the mag catch filed down to accept that mag, or the tab on the back of the mag is filed down, and your parts count on those three rifles is 11 or more imported parts.

I'm not trying to be an ass, but you better check on those instead of wagering jail time on what some shady dealer told you. There are definitely salesmen out there who will tell you anything just to make a buck.

[Blenderwizard_NOT_Boogyman]

Check out this site if you don't believe me

http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=14647

[TallyMini14Guy2007]

Thanks for the info boogyman, believe me..i like to stay outta trouble. I did find this article regarding 922r compliance etc. 922R appears to apply only to non-sporting type rifles. The saigas in original form are considered sporting rifles. Any other help/suggestions would be appreciated. I should admit, the only think altered in the photo is front mag ramp on the mag and rear tab on the 7.62x39, everything is unmolested.

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives


Washington, DC 20226


CHANGES IN FEDERAL LAW AS OF SEPTEMBER 13, 2004
RELATING TO
SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS (SAWs)

AND

LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES (LCAFDs)

GENERAL

As of September 13, 2004, the provisions of Public Law 103-322, the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, covering semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices are no longer in effect. The regulations implementing these provisions also are no longer in effect.

Specifically, there is no longer a Federal prohibition on the manufacture, transfer, and possession of semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices.

There are no longer any marking requirements for semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices. Existing markings on firearms and magazines relating to law enforcement or government use may be disregarded.

There is no longer any Federal requirement for Federal firearms licensees to obtain certain documentation before transferring semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices to government agencies or law enforcement officers. However, any records obtained prior to September 13, 1994, pertaining to the sale or transfer of semiautomatic assault weapons must still be retained for a period of 5 years. See 27 CFR § 478.129(f). Moreover, records of importation and manufacture must be maintained permanently and licensees must maintain all other acquisition and disposition records for 20 years.

Licensees who provided letters of future intent to sell semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices to law enforcement agencies and other qualified customers are no longer obligated to comply with such letters.

Anyone who illegally possessed, manufactured, or transferred semiautomatic assault weapons or large capacity ammunition feeding devices before the bans sunset still have violated the law since their possession, manufacture, or transfer was illegal at the time.

IMPORTATION

The prohibition on the importation of non-sporting firearms under 18 U.S.C. section 922(l) and 925(d)(3) still applies.

Importation of large capacity ammunition feeding devices still is covered under the Arms Export Control Act. Therefore an approved permit still is required to import large capacity magazines.

Temporary importation of semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity magazines is now lawful under the provisions of 27 CFR § 478.115(d) because temporary importations are not subject to the sporting purpose test.

ASSEMBLY OF NON-SPORTING SHOTGUNS AND SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLES FROM IMPORTED PARTS

The prohibition on assembly of non-sporting shotguns and semiautomatic rifles from imported parts as provided under 18 U.S.C. § 922® and 27 CFR § 478.39 still applies.

LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS

Law enforcement officers and police departments who obtained semiautomatic assault weapons are no longer required to use such firearms only for official use.

Law enforcement officers and police departments may now sell or transfer semiautomatic assault weapons to persons who are not prohibited from receiving firearms.

Law enforcement officers and police departments may now sell or transfer large capacity ammunition feeding devices to anybody.

Signed statements that semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices will be used for official use are no longer required to be provided to Federal firearms licensees.

RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS

Federal law does not prohibit retiring law enforcement officers from keeping semiautomatic assault weapons or large capacity ammunition feeding devices.

Former law enforcement officers who received semiautomatic assault weapons on retirement may now transfer those firearms to persons who are not prohibited from receiving firearms. Transfer of large capacity ammunition feeding devices is no longer restricted.

NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT

All provisions of the National Firearms Act relating to registration and transfer of machineguns, short barreled rifles, weapons made from rifles, short barreled shotguns, weapons made from shotguns, any other weapons as defined in Title 26 U.S.C. section 5845(e), silencers, and destructive devices still apply.

Registered silencers can now be attached to semiautomatic rifles and pistols without creating a prohibited semiautomatic assault weapon.

USAS-12 and Striker12/Streetsweeper shotguns are still classified as destructive devices under ATF Rulings 94-1 and 94-2 and must be possessed and transferred in accordance with the NFA.

EFFECT ON STATE LAW

Expiration of the Federal law will not change any provisions of State law or local ordinances. Questions concerning State assault weapons restrictions should be referred to State and local authorities.

[Tbear0574]

Nice group there.

[Blenderwizard_NOT_Boogyman]

Thanks for the info boogyman, believe me..i like to stay outta trouble. I did find this article regarding 922r compliance etc. 922R appears to apply only to non-sporting type rifles. The saigas in original form are considered sporting rifles. Any other help/suggestions would be appreciated. I should admit, the only think altered in the photo is front mag ramp on the mag and rear tab on the 7.62x39, everything is unmolested.



Yep, and adding a hicap makes it a non-sporter. Check out that link I posted

[TallyMini14Guy2007]

Talked to the gun shop owner..he said he'd only answer questions about the legality of the weapon only if he knew for sure he wasnt lying to me. He said the forearm, stock, trigger, rivets, receiver and other parts were not imported, the receiver even says Scottsburg, Indiana on it, and russian american amory on it, thats all i can offer. :)

[Blenderwizard_NOT_Boogyman]

Talked to the gun shop owner..he said he'd only answer questions about the legality of the weapon only if he knew for sure he wasnt lying to me. He said the forearm, stock, trigger, rivets, receiver and other parts were not imported, the receiver even says Scottsburg, Indiana on it, and russian american amory on it, thats all i can offer. :)

Look, man, you can believe that idiot if you want, but NO SAIGA has any of those parts U.S. made, unless someone has done extensive (i.e. expensive) work done to it.

RAA is the importer. RAA is located in Scottsburg. My Saigas were imported by RAA. That would be like saying anything Century imports is US made.

I'm done messing with this crap, but you're wrong, and that gunshop owner doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground if that is what he told you.

Adios, and I hope you avoid jail time.

[TexasAKgunner]

Nothing better than pics of "illegal" firearms to prove your violation of 922r.

[Dr. Bong]

Talked to the gun shop owner..he said he'd only answer questions about the legality of the weapon only if he knew for sure he wasnt lying to me. He said the forearm, stock, trigger, rivets, receiver and other parts were not imported, the receiver even says Scottsburg, Indiana on it, and russian american amory on it, thats all i can offer. :)


Wow, dude. Tell me you've flipped those over and read where it says VERY plainly "MADE IN RUSSIA BY IZHMASH"

You can't tell me you haven't seen that. You don't seriously believe all this stuff you put in this thread, do you? I don't know what's going on with BlenderHooter or whatever, but I seriously hope you're just being stubborn and/or defiant, and not foolish enough to believe your retailer and not listen to a word anyone here has said.

[BlenderWizard]

Well, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one here who knows.

HAH! That guy called me blenderhooter.

[gunrun45]

blenderhooter!!!!! I gotta remember that one.

[BlenderWizard]

Sorry guys, i was wrong regarding 922r

I dunno how I missed that, but I'm glad he finally realized...